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  1. Ron Paul Speaks: 'Liberty Defined and The Future of Freedom'

    May 1 - Be among the first to watch this very special evening with Ron Paul in the San Francisco Bay area, speaking extensively on the principles of liberty and freedom. Federal Reserve, taxation, the ill-gotten wealth of those in the military-industrial complex, senseless wars, the nanny state, the drug war, and so much more.

    This is a full course on liberty from one of the great masters, so sit back and enjoy!

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  2. ron paul's got it going on......no way will the powers that be ever let him or anyone like him be president.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ron paul's got it going on......no way will the powers that be ever let him or anyone like him be president.
    Ron Paul is now all about the Ron Paul institute and spreading his message of Liberty.

    Speaking of middle schoolers....Ron Paul started an online fully accredited home schooling program that will run parents about $250 a year....a hell of alot less (thousands) than they forcibly take money from my 94 year old grandmother every year to fund dinosaur goverment education with school taxes so brainwashed little minions can knock on her door every year for Halloween begging for diabetes so Obamacare has a useful purpose.

    Ok rant, lol
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Ron Paul is now all about the Ron Paul institute and spreading his message of Liberty.

    Speaking of middle schoolers....Ron Paul started an online fully accredited home schooling program that will run parents about $250 a year....a hell of alot less (thousands) than they forcibly take money from my 94 year old grandmother every year to fund dinosaur goverment education with school taxes so brainwashed little minions can knock on her door every year for Halloween begging for diabetes so Obamacare has a useful purpose.

    Ok rant, lol
    hopefully home schooling will become more prominent!!!

    i truely believe that the number 1 worst thing to come from the womens rights zealots of the 60'-70's was more women putting childcare in the hands of strangers to join the workforce. up until then mothers stayed home and cared for their children---call me sexist, but it just seemed right!!!
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    hopefully home schooling will become more prominent!!!

    i truely believe that the number 1 worst thing to come from the womens rights zealots of the 60'-70's was more women putting childcare in the hands of strangers to join the workforce. up until then mothers stayed home and cared for their children---call me sexist, but it just seemed right!!!
    Things still seemed so good back then, lol

    The idea of a traditional home grown family doesnt seem to exist anymore.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    hopefully home schooling will become more prominent!!!

    i truely believe that the number 1 worst thing to come from the womens rights zealots of the 60'-70's was more women putting childcare in the hands of strangers to join the workforce. up until then mothers stayed home and cared for their children---call me sexist, but it just seemed right!!!
    This is probably all promoted by goverment behind the scenes...in communist China when women were freed from their husbands, the ownership of women simply transferred to the state, no one was really freed. Women in communist China made the better bureaucrat.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Things still seemed so good back then, lol

    The idea of a traditional home grown family doesnt seem to exist anymore.
    here is my take...more jobs than workers=workers had more rights, better pay, better conditions and were demanding more...corporate america backed the women righters 100%, convincing women they were missing out by not having their own jobs/money.

    if women had not joined the work force in the numbers that they did at the time they did employers would have been forced to pay higher salaries to compete for workers. with women joining the workforce now the family had 2 incomes and employers could pay lower salaries.

    i think working class women of today curse betty friedan/gloria steinem for selling them down the river....most women i've worked with would rather be able to stay home, care for children and take care of the house and let the man work!!!

    childcare was practically non-existant in the days of my youth....trust me, those were MUCH MUCH better days!!!
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  8. Is there hope for the human race ?


  9. Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop View Post
    Is there hope for the human race ?
    I honestly do have hope, I try to keep positive thinking.

    We are in a cusp of a complete major change of our entire civilization, a technological scientific change which will affect everything as we know it. Once we advance into the next type of civilization we will have complete control of our entire planetary environment. The major problem primarily persists during this transitional phase (we are in the beginnings of this period I believe) as we might not make it.

    I usually use this short Michio Kaku piece for reference.

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I honestly do have hope, I try to keep positive thinking.

    We are in a cusp of a complete major change of our entire civilization, a technological scientific change which will affect everything as we know it. Once we advance into the next type of civilization we will have complete control of our entire planetary environment. The major problem primarily persists during this transitional phase (we are in the beginnings of this period I believe) as we might not make it.

    I usually use this short Michio Kaku piece for reference.

    been listening to michio kaku for years on coast to coast am.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    been listening to michio kaku for years on coast to coast am.
    Interesting, Im going to have to look for some of those on youtube.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Interesting, Im going to have to look for some of those on youtube.
    google coast to coast AM, he is on there often...check the archives or type in his name there!!!
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    google coast to coast AM, he is on there often...check the archives or type in his name there!!!
    Perfect, Ill do that.

    Dunno if you remember, but you introduced me to coast to coast years ago when we were still kids (lol!.)

    George Noory seems like a good guy, even caught him live on infowars radio show.

    Did you know that Jesse Ventura interviewed Art Bell's brother (Fred Bell) when investigating free energy weapons just less that 2 years ago, and then Fred Bell was dead in his hotel room the next day? Its crazy.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Perfect, Ill do that.

    Dunno if you remember, but you introduced me to coast to coast years ago when we were still kids (lol!.)

    George Noory seems like a good guy, even caught him live on infowars radio show.

    Did you know that Jesse Ventura interviewed Art Bell's brother (Fred Bell) when investigating free energy weapons just less that 2 years ago, and then Fred Bell was dead in his hotel room the next day? Its crazy.
    yeah, i did know that...i started coast to coast way back when art was doing it-some cool topics and some out there stuff....the evp stuff all the ghost shows are into now was talked about on c to c years before it became so mainstream, maybe 20 years ago....
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  15. LOL!!!!

    Obama Urges “Wrongheaded” Americans to Trust Government More

    President bemoans “lack of confidence in our government”

    Paul Joseph Watson
    May 9, 2014



    Image: Barack Obama (WhiteHouse.gov).

    During a speech at a fundraiser for congressional Democrats in La Jolla, California yesterday, President Barack Obama urged “wrongheaded” Americans to place more trust in the government.

    Obama stated that a perception on behalf of middle class families that people in Washington did not care about them has reinforced “apathy or a lack of confidence in our government,” before he went on to blame Republicans for making Americans think, “they’re on their own and government doesn’t have an appropriate role to play.”

    Obama said the Democrats’ goal in the midterms was to “break that grip” and reverse the “wrongheaded vision” that big government is not the answer.

    “Yes, Americans have been tricked by wily Republicans into thinking their government hates them. Stupid Americans. We’ve got to reprogram them so they will accept more federal spending and help Obama build beautiful piles of debt for our children to pay off,” chides Keith Koffler.

    Obama’s rhetoric echoes similar sentiments he expressed during a speech delivered to Ohio State University graduates just over a year ago.

    “Unfortunately, you’ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems,” Obama told the audience at the Ohio State commencement ceremony. “They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices”.

    Obama went on to imply that “individual ambition” was a negative concept before adding, “We don’t think the government is the source of all our problems”.



    That strikes a somewhat different tone to one of Obama’s predecessors, Ronald Reagan, who repeatedly gave speeches warning that “government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem”.



    Obama’s constant talk of embracing and trusting big government sounds like an infamous scene from the cult sci-fi classic They Live in which an alien (disguised as a politician) urges Americans to “have faith in our leaders”.



    Given Obama’s lust to concentrate unparalleled levels of executive power into the hands of the state while relentlessly growing the size of government, the extraterrestrial from They Live comes off looking a lot less sinister than the President.
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  16. obama's trend has been to soften things up with rhetoric, and when that fails, to instigate legislation to get what he wants.....the lesson here is that behavior cannot be legislated, a lesson politicians seem to forget time after time. if obama wakes up and realizes this, i would not be surprised to see a massive "look at what government has/can do for you campaign". people tend to underestimate obama, this is a mistake, imo.
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  17. Memorial Day Message to Veterans: Government Considers You the Enemy



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  18. NBC Censors Snowden’s Critical 9/11 Comments from Prime Time Audience

    "They found that we had all of the information we needed as an intelligence community... to detect this plot"


    Image Credits: YouTube

    by Mikael Thalen | Infowars.com | May 29, 2014

    Statements made by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden regarding the 9/11 terror attacks were edited out of his NBC Nightly News interview with Brian Williams Wednesday in what appears to be an attempt to bolster legitimacy for the agency’s controversial surveillance programs.

    Snowden’s comments surrounding the failure of dragnet surveillance in stopping the 9/11 attacks were censored from the prime time broadcast and instead buried in an hour long clip on NBC’s website.

    9/11 comments at 33:28
    http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edwar...nowden-n117126

    “You know this is a key question that the 9/11 commission considered, and what they found in the postmortem when they looked at all the classified intelligence from all the different intelligence agencies, they found that we had all of the information we needed as an intelligence community, as a classified sector, as the national defense of the United States, to detect this plot,” Snowden said.

    “We actually had records of the phone calls from the United States and out. The CIA knew who these guys were. The problem was not that we weren’t collecting information, it wasn’t that we didn’t have enough dots, it wasn’t that we didn’t have a haystack, it was that we did not understand the haystack that we had.”

    NBC’s decision to annex Snowden’s comments are unsurprising given the fact that the 9/11 attacks are exhaustively used by the federal government as the prime justification for surveilling millions of innocent Americans. Snowden remarked on the government’s prior knowledge of the accused Boston bombers as well, also cut from the prime time interview.

    ‘If we’re missing things like the Boston Marathon bombings where all of these mass-surveillance systems, every domestic dragnet in the world, didn’t reveal guys that the Russian intelligence service told us about by name, is that really the best way to protect our country or are we trying to throw money at a magic solution that’s actually not just costing us our safety, but our rights and our way of life,” Snowden said.

    Despite countless government officials pointing to 9/11 foreknowledge, whether missed or ignored, establishment media outlets have continually worked to keep such voices out of relevant reporting.

    Former NSA senior executive turned whistleblower Thomas Drake, who revealed unconstitutional surveillance programs targeting Americans in 2005, has repeatedly commented on NSA intelligence that would have “undoubtedly” stopped the 9/11 attacks.

    “The NSA had critical intelligence about Al Qaeda and associated movements in particular that had never been properly shared outside of NSA,” Drake said in a recent interview. “They simply did not share critical intelligence although they had it.”



    In a January letter to President Obama, Drake and fellow whistleblowers William Binney, Edward Loomis, and Kirk Wiebe not only detailed the agency’s foreknowledge, but the ensuing cover-up as well.

    “The sadder reality, Mr. President, is that NSA itself had enough information to prevent 9/11, but chose to sit on it rather than share it with the FBI or CIA. We know; we were there,” the letter reads. “We were witness to the many bureaucratic indignities that made NSA at least as culpable for pre-9/11 failures as are other U.S. intelligence agencies.”

    Outside of the NSA, countless intelligence officials have also commented on 9/11 foreknowledge and the federal government’s attempts to stifle any investigation into negligence and wrongdoing.

    Former senior intelligence officer Lt. Col Anthony Shaffer, who attempted to inform the government after identifying the two terrorist cells later charged for the 9/11 attacks in 2000 during Operation Able Danger, was attacked and demonized by the Defense Intelligence Agency after informing Congress of the agency’s refusal to act.

    “I had no intention of joining the ranks of ‘whistle blowers,’” Shaffer said in 2009. “When I made my disclosure to the 9/11 commission regarding the existence of a pre 9/11 offensive counter-terrorism operation that had discovered several of the 9/11 terrorists a full year before the 9/11 attacks my intention was to simply tell the truth, and fulfill my oath of office.”

    Former FBI wiretap translator Sibel Edmonds, who had access to top-secret communications, told reporters in 2004 that the FBI had detailed 9/11 foreknowledge that specifically mentioned a terrorist attack involving airplanes.

    “We should have had orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available,” Edmonds told Salon. “There was specific information about use of airplanes, that an attack was on the way two or three months beforehand and that several people were already in the country by May of 2001. They should’ve alerted the people to the threat we’re facing.”

    According to Edmonds, after the 9/11 attacks, FBI supervisors ordered translators to “work slowly” in order to ensure that the agency would get larger funding the next year.

    The vast number of whistleblowers in the intelligence community not only gives credence to Snowden’s comments, but also exemplifies the NSA’s illegitimate growth since 9/11.

    In a desperate attempt to gain the moral high ground, Secretary of State John Kerry claimed Snowden had aided terrorists during an interview on “Good Morning America” Wednesday despite having absolutely no evidence to support his accusation.

    Despite the fact that the NSA leaks have proven the agency to be involved in issues unrelated to national security, such as economic espionage, the claim of using mass surveillance to stop terrorism deteriorates even further in light of recent decisions by the Obama Administration.

    In 2013, President Obama waived a federal law designed to prevent the US from arming terrorists in order to provide military support to the “Syrian rebels.” Even with Syrian Revolutionary Front leader Jamal Maarouf admitting that his fighters work alongside the Al-Qaeda aligned Jabhat al-Nusra, the Obama Administration has continued its unflinching support.

    The president’s support of Al-Qaeda was so transparent during the Libyan overthrow that former Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich publicly questioned why the US-backed “Libyan rebels” had placed an Al Qaeda flag over the top of the courthouse in Benghazi.

    Whether it be issuing fake terror alerts, creating domestic terror plots or allowing them to take place, the national security state will undoubtedly do whatever it can to continue its unabated growth towards total information awareness.
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  19. Leaked Secret Agenda From Bilderberg 2014 Revealed

    This is why it's critical to follow the most powerful group in the world




    by Kit Daniels | Infowars.com | May 30, 2014

    Bilderberg, the annual gathering of the world’s most powerful politicians and business magnates, is clearly shaping global policies by positioning its favored politicians as world leaders, determining the timetables of military conflicts and influencing the economic policies of nearly every nation on the planet, impacting the lives of billions around the globe.

    Daniel Estulin, an author and expert on the Bilderberg Group, has learned from his internal sources several items on Bilderberg’s agenda for this year’s conference in Copenhagen, Denmark which began yesterday:

    1) Nuclear diplomacy – how Russia, China and even Iran could work together to erode western hegemony.

    2) The recent gas agreement between Russia and China – how this and other long-term projects between the two countries will likely reduce dependency on the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency.

    3) The rise of nationalism within Europe that is challenging the power structure of the European Union – the recent victories of the populist United Kingdom Independence Party, which opposes the European Union, is particularly concerning to the Bilderberg Group because the EU, and its Euro currency, were formulated by the group at its second annual meeting in 1955.

    4) The European Union’s Internet privacy regulations – what they mean for the United States.

    5) The rise of cyber warfare – the government could deceptively use the threat of cyber attacks to strengthen censorship and other Internet regulations.

    6) From Ukraine to Syria – Is Obama’s foreign policy doomed?

    7) The “climate change” agenda – the deindustrialization of targeted nations as a result of “climate change” treaties and legislation.
    And there’s likely more that will be discussed during this year’s three-day conference.



    But to truly absorb the importance of these agenda items and the influence of the Bilderberg Group, it’s critical to look back at several of the world’s most significant events in the past several decades, which were not as random as they appear but were rather planned by design inside the eloquently-furnished meeting rooms of past Bilderberg conferences.

    As previously mentioned, the 1955 Bilderberg meeting in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, West Germany focused on the creation of the European Union and a single European currency, both of which occurred in the early 1990s after decades of gradual implementation.

    In 1991, the then governor of Arkansas, who was relatively unknown at the time, was invited to attend the Bilderberg meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany. Just over one year later the governor, William Jefferson Clinton, became the President of the United States.

    The former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Tony Blair, likewise came to power as the UK’s Leader of the Opposition one year after attending a Bilderberg meeting in 1993.

    Now we see that the current Democratic mayor of Atlanta, Kasim Reed, was invited for this year’s Bilderberg conference in Copenhagen.

    “He’s seen as one of the few legitimate Democratic candidates for higher office in Georgia,” a Republican strategist told Roll Call in 2012, adding that he will be a formidable adversary to the GOP.

    It would appear that Bilderberg is grooming him for just that.

    Besides modern-day king making, the Bilderberg Group also has tremendous influence in economics and geopolitical events.

    In the early 2000s, late investigative journalist Jim Tucker correctly predicted that Operation Iraqi Freedom would commence in March 2003 and not in late 2002 as so many defense analysts were suggesting at the time.

    But how did Tucker know? Because he wasn’t just guessing; sources inside Bilderberg told him.

    Estulin also correctly predicted the 2007 collapse of the housing bubble a year before it happened after receiving information from his own sources inside the Bilderberg Group.



    A few years later, in 2009, Tucker predicted that Bilderberg would use the resulting economic slowdown to erode America’s national sovereignty.

    This is now coming to fruition through multiple ways, such as the Trans Pacific Partnership, which allows transnational mega-corporations to tighten their grip on individual countries such as the United States.

    And representatives for many large companies are in attendance at this year’s Bilderberg meeting.

    “You have 50 to 60 key CEOs of the world’s most powerful corporations from the western world [in attendance],” Estulin said.

    Last year, Ed Balls, a British politician and a Bilderberg member, downplayed the influence of Bilderberg live on BBC, yet this year he was caught on camera holding a gigantic stack of papers before entering the conference.



    The fact that Balls was carrying enough papers to fill a large phone book invalidates his prior denial of Bilderberg’s importance.

    In reality, the Bilderberg Group is pushing ahead with its anti-free market, state-corporate takeover designed to destroy independent nations as well as the individual in order to make the population dependent on a system controlled by the tiny elite well-represented at the conference.
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  20. the world is in a mess....
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    the world is in a mess....
    Yeah and in the meantime Obama held a "Concussion Summit" in the White House the other day calling on society to end the culture of "Suck it Up" and dammit it the wussyfication of this country is now in full throttle!

    And also fat ass Michelle Obama wants to control what your school children eat and feed them GMO foods from the people that send her hubby millions in lobby money while she has her own GMO free organic garden at the White House.

    But for more important things...where is that plane? Have you heard any new "pings" lately? The world needs to stop until we find that damn plane, its really important to all of us to find out!
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  22. gmo food...don't get me started!!!
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  23. Today is June 4th. 25 years years ago in 1989 to the date was the brutal crackdown on the Tianamen Square Protests.







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  24. NSA Whistleblower: Snowden Never Had Access to the JUICIEST Documents



    by Washington's Blog | June 8, 2014


    NSA whistleblower Russel Tice was a key source in the 2005 New York Times report that blew the lid off the Bush administration’s use of warrantless wiretapping.

    Tice told PBS and other media that the NSA is spying on – and blackmailing – top government officials and military officers, including Supreme Court Justices, highly-ranked generals, Colin Powell and other State Department personnel, and many other top officials:



    He says the NSA started spying on President Obama when he was a candidate for Senate:



    Many of Tice’s allegations have been confirmed by other government whistleblowers. And see this.

    Washington’s Blog called Tice to find out more about what he saw when he was at NSA.

    RUSSELL TICE: We now know that NSA was wiretapping [Senator] Frank Church and another Senator. [That has been confirmed.]

    And that got out by accident. All the information the NSA had back then – and probably many other senators and important people too, back in the 70s – they shredded and they destroyed all of that evidence. As much as they could find, they destroyed it all. By accident, something popped up 40 years later.

    And, in fact, they were asked 40 years ago whether NSA had bugged Congress. And, of course, they lied. They lied through their teeth.

    NSA Has Hidden Its Most Radical Surveillance Operations … Even from People Like Snowden Who Had General “Code Word” Clearance

    WASHINGTON’S BLOG: Glenn Greenwald – supposedly, in the next couple of days or weeks – is going to disclose, based on NSA documents leaked by Snowden, that the NSA is spying on all sorts of normal Americans … and that the spying is really to crush dissent. [Background here, here and here.]

    Does Snowden even have documents which contain the information which you’ve seen?

    RUSSELL TICE: The answer is no.

    WASHINGTON’S BLOG: So you saw handwritten notes. And what Snowden was seeing were electronic files …?

    RUSSELL TICE: Think of it this way. Remember I told you about the NSA doing everything they could to make sure that the information from 40 years ago – from spying on Frank Church and Lord knows how many other Congressman that they were spying on – was hidden?

    Now do you think they’re going to put that information into Powerpoint slides that are easy to explain to everybody what they’re doing?

    They would not even put their own NSA designators on the reports [so that no one would know that] it came from the NSA. They made the reports look like they were Humint (human intelligence) reports. They did it to hide the fact that they were NSA and they were doing the collection. That’s 40 years ago. [The NSA and other agencies are still doing "parallel construction", "laundering" information to hide the fact that the information is actually from mass NSA surveillance.]

    Now, what NSA is doing right now is that they’re taking the information and they’re putting it in a much higher security level. It’s called “ECI” – Exceptionally Controlled Information – and it’s called the black program … which I was a specialist in, by the way.

    I specialized in black world – DOD and IC (Intelligence Community) – programs, operations and missions … in “VRKs”, “ECIs”, and “SAPs”, “STOs”. SAP equals Special Access Program. It’s highly unlikely Mr. Snowden had any access to these. STO equals Special Technical Operations It’s highly unlikely Mr. Snowden had any access to these.

    Now in that world – the ECI/VRK world – everything in that system is classified at a higher level and it has its own computer systems that house it. It’s totally separate than the system which Mr. Snowden was privy to, which was called the “JWICS”: Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System. The JWICS system is what everybody at NSA has access to. Mr Snowden had Sys Admin [systems administrator] authority for the JWICS.

    And you still have to have TS/SCI clearance [i.e. Top Secret/ Sensitive Compartmented Information - also known as “code word” - clearance] to get on the JWICS. But the ECI/VRK systems are much higher[levels of special compartmentalized clearance] than the JWICS. And you have to be in the black world to get that [clearance].

    ECI = Exceptionally Controlled Information. I do not believe Mr. Snowden had any access to these ECI controlled networks). VRK = Very Restricted Knowledge. I do not believe Mr. Snowden had any access to these VRK controlled networks.

    These programs typically have, at the least, a requirement of 100 year or until death, ’till the person first being “read in” [i.e. sworn to secrecy as part of access to the higher classification program] can talk about them. [As an interesting sidenote, the Washington Times reported in 2006 that – when Tice offered to testify to Congress about this illegal spying – he was informed by the NSA that the Senate and House intelligence committees were not cleared to hear such information.]

    It’s very compartmentalized and – even with stuff that they had – you might have something at NSA, that there’s literally 40 people at NSA that know that it’s going on in the entire agency.

    When the stuff came out in the New York Times [the first big spying story, which broke in 2005] – and I was a source of information for the New York Times – that’s when President Bush made up that nonsense about the “terrorist surveillance program.” By the way, that never existed. That was made up.
    There was no such thing beforehand. It was made up … to try to placate the American people.

    The NSA IG (Inspector General) – who was not cleared for this – all of a sudden is told he has to do an investigation on this; something he has no information or knowledge of.

    So what they did, is they took a few documents and they downgraded [he classification level of the documents] – just a few – and gave them to them to placate this basic whitewash investigation.

    Snowden’s Failure To Understand the Most Important Documents

    RUSSELL TICE: Now, if Mr. Snowden were to find the crossover, it would be those documents that were downgraded to the NSA’s IG.

    The stuff that I saw looked like a bunch of alphanumeric gobbledygook. Unless you have an analyst to know what to look for – and believe me, I think that what Snowden’s done is great – he’s not an intelligence analyst. So he would see something like that, and he wouldn’t know what he’s looking at.

    But that would be “the jewels”. And the key is, you wouldn’t know it’s the jewels unless you were a diamond miner and you knew what to look for. Because otherwise, there’s a big lump of rock and you don’t know there’s a diamond in there.

    I worked special programs. And the way I found out is that I was working on a special operation, and I needed information from NSA … from another unit.

    And when I went to that unit and I said “I need this information”, and I dealt with [satellite spy operations], and I did that in the black world. I was a special operations officer. I would literally go do special missions that were in the black world where I would travel overseas and do spooky stuff.

    Cheney Was Running the Show

    WASHINGTON’S BLOG: You said in one of your interviews that Dick Cheney ordered the intercepts that you found in the burn bags [the bags of documents which were slated to be destroyed because they were so sensitive].

    Is that right … and if so, how do you know that?

    RUSSELL TICE: I did not know one way or the other until I talked to a very senior person at NSA who – much later – wanted to have a meeting with me.
    And we had a covert, clandestine style meeting. And that’s when this individual told me that the whole thing was being directed and was coming from the vice president’s office … Cheney, through his lawyer David Addington.

    WASHINGTON’S BLOG: It sounds like it wasn’t going through normal routes? It’s not like Cheney or Addington made formal requests to the NSA … through normal means?

    RUSSELL TICE: No, not normal at all. All on the sly … all “sneaky pete” under the table, in the evening when most NSA employees are gone for the day. This is all being done in the evenings … between like 7 [at night] and midnight.

    NSA Is Spying On CONTENT as Well as Metadata

    WASHINGTON’S BLOG: And from what you and others have said, it’s content as well as metadata?

    RUSSELL TICE: Of course it is. Of course. [Background. But see this.]

    NSA Spying On Journalists, Congress, Admirals, Lawyers …

    RUSSELL TICE: In 2009, I told [reporters] that they were going after journalists and news organizations and reporters and such.

    I never read text of Congressman’s conversations. What I had was information – sometimes hand-written – of phone numbers of Congressmen, their wives, their children, their staffers, their home numbers, their cellphone numbers, their phone numbers of their residence back in Oregon or whatever state they’re from, and their little offices back in their state.

    Or an Admiral and his wife, and his kids and his staffers …

    The main thing I saw more than anything else were lawyers and law firms. I saw more lawyers or law firms being wiretapped than anything else.

    These are the phone numbers I saw written. And then I would see those numbers incorporated into those lists with the columns of information about the phone number, and the serial number and the banks of recorders and digital converters and the data storage devices. I could see handwritten phone numbers and notes, sometimes with names, sometimes not.

    Snowden and Greenwald’s Whistleblowing Was Done In the Right Way

    RUSSELL TICE: If Mr. Snowden would have had access to VRK, ECI, SAP, STO (and a few others that I will not mention here), and he released them en masse to the press, I would volunteer to shoot him as a traitor myself.

    But this is not what he did.

    He gave up JWICS info that he insisted be vetted for sources and methods, and true damage to national security. Mr. Greenwald and company should be congratulated on the restraint that they have shown with the JWICS documentation that they have in hand via Mr. Snowden.

    Postscript: When Tice started blowing the whistle on NSA mass surveillance in the early 2000s, the NSA all of a sudden decided that Tice was “crazy”. As Tice told us:
    For many years, I was the only NSA whistleblower in public.

    And what they did is call me in – 9 months after my routine psychological evaluation – which I passed with flying colors, like every other one I’ve had in my entire career, passed with flying colors.

    They called me in for an “emergency” psychological evaluation, and they declared me nuts.

    I am a fairly good judge of character, and I found Tice to be humorous, self-deprecating in a healthy and light-hearted way, and consistent on the facts. Tice talked about how he was a pretty darn good football player in junior college, but no star athlete. He talked about how one reporter tried to make him out to be James Bond with leading man looks, and he thought that was ridiculous. We shared some normal “guy talk” about women. Tice has a little anger at the way the NSA tried to whitewash the mass surveillance that he uncovered (wouldn’t you be?), but he wasn’t enraged or over-the-top. Tice is also a patriotic American, not a subversive. Specifically, we spent a long time talking about the importance of the Constitution and the rule of law. In other words, Tice seems “oriented to reality”, completely sane, normal, ethical and bright to me.

    And the following facts are more important than my personal impression:

    - Many of Tice’s allegations have been confirmed by Snowden and other government whistleblowers. And see this
    - Soviet leaders were famous for throwing dissidents into psychiatric wards. Unfortunately, the same thing sometimes happens in modern America
    Given the way that the NSA has been repeatedly caught in lies about its surveillance programs – and the way that it has attacked whisteblowers – I believe Tice over the NSA.
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  25. AX1
    Mad props for posting all this info all the time. Great work.
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