Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you got that right!!! look at 1936-39 arab revolt in palestine and 1948 palistine war. in the 1948 war israel took over more land than they were alloted, but also during that war 700,000 palistinians fled or were driven from their native land by their own advancing armies who promised them they could return once the jews were erradicated---to me erradicated means killed or forced to leave. to me if i were a jew i would take 700,000 arabs trying to erradicate me as a serious threat!!! after all of the violence that has taken place in that area for the palistinians to try and portray themselves as innocent victims is a joke.
    Agreed. There are no innocents here. Both
    Sides are both agressors and victims.

    I will always support Israeli existence but never the aggression.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Agreed. There are no innocents here. Both
    Sides are both agressors and victims.

    I will always support Israeli existence but never the aggression.
    i remember the 79 egypt-israel peace treaty mostly because my ship was was enroute to haifa and begin/sadat/carter all came onboard for a photo op after the signing....soon after egypt was suspended from the arab league and sadat was assasinated by members of the egyptian islamic jihad.

    the message being, the president of egypt was killed by his own people for signing a peace treaty with israel-that is a lot of hate going on right there if you ask me...after what jews went through with the holocaust, to have arabs saying they want to erradicate jews would be just cause for a little paranoia, imo.

    i seriously believe that israel would be happy being left alone...but the palistinians and arabs are never going to let this happen.
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  3. You're talking about Nakba and the Palestinians Exodus from their homeland. I get that Israel needs its own homeland, but do they need to control the Palestinians? or encourage us to get into their policies with Egypt?, propping up dictators, assassinating and funding....this is where I disconnect with the our foreign policy towards Israel.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    A tad biased? I assume that there is some connection here I don't see? I don't recall Russia fighting for its existence against a terrorist organization. Hmmmm
    No, I dont think Im being biased to be honest. Im just pointing out hypocrisy in politics in Washington.

    Hey, welcome back!
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by dondon View Post
    You're talking about Nakba and the Palestinians Exodus from their homeland. I get that Israel needs its own homeland, but do they need to control the Palestinians? or encourage us to get into their policies with Egypt?, propping up dictators, assassinating and funding....this is where I disconnect with the our foreign policy towards Israel.
    Until they both figure out how to distribute the land and respect each-other properly, this is endless and may go on for thousands of more years...or until porn and weed are widely distributed (had to add a joke in this thread, )

    I have some idea's how Israel can win over for Palestine people, but its not happening. For example, for every bomb they drop they can instead help finance a Palestine person and send them overseas to get a good education instead of blockading them from independently doing so. Thats just a tiny start. Compassion is the only way to win people over, not bombardments. You dont prevent a genocide by creating another genocide.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by dondon View Post
    You're talking about Nakba and the Palestinians Exodus from their homeland. I get that Israel needs its own homeland, but do they need to control the Palestinians? or encourage us to get into their policies with Egypt?, propping up dictators, assassinating and funding....this is where I disconnect with the our foreign policy towards Israel.
    hey, i disconnect with U.S. governments foreign policy towards everywhere. the U.S government has not used it's power and influence in a productive way in many many years, imo.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    hey, i disconnect with U.S. governments foreign policy towards everywhere. the U.S government has not used it's power and influence in a productive way in many many years, imo.
    Wait...what about Iraq and the past decade, um...nevermind, lol.

    Foreign interventionism never really turns out to be an act of charity, instead makes those buildings surrounding the Pentagon ultra rich.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Until they both figure out how to distribute the land and respect each-other properly, this is endless and may go on for thousands of more years...or until porn and weed are widely distributed (had to add a joke in this thread, )

    I have some idea's how Israel can win over for Palestine people, but its not happening. For example, for every bomb they drop they can instead help finance a Palestine person and send them overseas to get a good education instead of blockading them from independently doing so. Thats just a tiny start. Compassion is the only way to win people over, not bombardments. You dont prevent a genocide by creating another genocide.
    bin laden got his education right here in the good old usa, so did many of the leaders of militant groups...i honestly believe that israel would be very happy with peace in the region, but even if palistinians wanted peace the militant islamics in the region would never let it happen.

    hell his own people killed sadat for making peace with israel, history has to teach you something.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Wait...what about Iraq and the past decade, um...nevermind, lol.

    Foreign interventionism never really turns out to be an act of charity, instead makes those buildings surrounding the Pentagon ultra rich.
    i agree, and sending palistinians to the west to get educated just makes for educated terrorists, imo.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    bin laden got his education right here in the good old usa, so did many of the leaders of militant groups...i honestly believe that israel would be very happy with peace in the region, but even if palistinians wanted peace the militant islamics in the region would never let it happen.

    hell his own people killed sadat for making peace with israel, history has to teach you something.
    Yeah, and Bin Laden was also trained and financed by the CIA. On another note, Isreal created Hamas to create division and competition against Arafat.

    I think this is far more complicated that just pointing fingers at militant groups.

    As for militant groups...bombs are their best recruiter. I wouldnt be surprised if militias over there are bombing and slaughtering their own people as well (false flag.)
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i agree, and sending palistinians to the west to get educated just makes for educated terrorists, imo.
    That is just a small fraction of what I propose. I want to see modernization and development instead of war. If you make people's lives better there will be less bad people. This is something that is going to take a couple of generations to do so, you dont win over people who had their families slaughtered with bombs overnight. Bombs and death create enemies, a helping hand increases your chance for long term peace. If some country bombed my family Id want to get back at them back too.

    Just because someone is a Palestine doesnt mean they are a terrorist. They own alot of property and businesses where I live and many are well educated, all they care about is money and supporting their families.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    That is just a small fraction of what I propose. I want to see modernization and development instead of war. If you make people's lives better there will be less bad people. This is something that is going to take a couple of generations to do so, you dont win over people who had their families slaughtered with bombs overnight. Bombs and death create enemies, a helping hand increases your chance for long term peace. If some country bombed my family Id want to get back at them back too.

    Just because someone is a Palestine doesnt mean they are a terrorist. They own alot of property and businesses where I live and many are well educated, all they care about is money and supporting their families.
    the point being as in the arab uprising in 48 the palistinians are just pawns...the militants will never let there be peace as long as israel is in existence.

    just like here, we the american people get blamed for the actions of our government when i personally have very little to do the government decisions--how about you? i would say the average palistinian has very little say in what happens there.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    the point being as in the arab uprising in 48 the palistinians are just pawns...the militants will never let there be peace as long as israel is in existence.

    just like here, we the american people get blamed for the actions of our government when i personally have very little to do the government decisions--how about you? i would say the average palistinian has very little say in what happens there.
    If they got rid of Israel, there still wont be peace anyways, they will just move on to the next war with some other race or tribe, right?
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    If they got rid of Israel, there still wont be peace anyways, they will just move on to the next war with some other race or tribe, right?

    it would be wrong to assume that they would do that.....but it is fact that they have stated many times that they are dedicated to erradicating the jewish nation....correct me if i am wrong but i have never heard israel say they are dedicated to erradicating any arab nation.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    it would be wrong to assume that they would do that.....but it is fact that they have stated many times that they are dedicated to erradicating the jewish nation....correct me if i am wrong but i have never heard israel say they are dedicated to eradicating any arab nation.
    Israel is just a piece of land, it doesnt say anything ever, lol

    I think there are certain sects within Israel (Zionism) that are interested and have already been progressing very well in eradicating Palestine, which of course has already been almost accomplished. I guess you can say (and this is the first time I ever thought of this) action speaks softer than words in a way. I just wanna add I have far more research to do with Zionism and its history, I really dont know too much as of yet.


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  16. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Israel is just a piece of land, it doesnt say anything ever, lol I think there are certain sects within Israel (Zionism) that are interested in irradiating Palestine, which of course if you look at the recent history this has already been almost accomplished. I guess you can say (and this is the first time I ever thought of this) action speaks softer than words in a way. I just wanna add I have far more research to do with Zionism and its history, I really dont know too much as of yet.
    I guess the eradication aspect
    Is powerful on both sides.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I guess the eradication aspect
    Is powerful on both sides.
    Yeah, its all twisted. I dont see how anyone can exactly pick a side of who is right and wrong, both are right and wrong.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Yeah, its all twisted. I dont see how anyone can exactly pick a side of who is right and wrong, both are right and wrong.
    if it were just up to palestinians and jews i really believe they could work things out.....they have a vested interest in peace!!!
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  19. BLACK GOLD

    This is why Obama and his globalist New World Order goblins care about humanitarianism in Iraq so much.

    Here is a list of oil companies that operate in Kurdistan as they are the worlds 9th largest oil producer. Kurdistan also holds 89% of the entire Iraq's natural gas.

    USA

    • Exxon Mobil
    • Chevron
    • Aspect Energy
    • Marathon Oil Corporation
    • Hillwood International Energy
    • Hunt Oil
    • Prime Oil
    • Murphy Oil
    • Hess Corporation
    • HKN Energy
    • Viking International

    France

    • Total

    Canada

    • Forbes and Manhattan
    • Western Zagros Resources
    • Talisman Energy Inc
    • NIKO Resources
    • Ground Star
    • Shamaran

    South Korea

    • Korea National Oil Company (KNOC)

    Turkey

    • Genel Energy
    • Petoil
    • Dogan

    Britain

    • Gulf Keystone Petroleum
    • Sterling Energy
    • Heritage Oil

    Anglo-French

    • Perenco

    UAE

    • TAQA
    • Dana Petroleum

    Austria

    • OMV

    China

    • China acquired a significant presence in Iraqi Kurdistan after Sinopec Group bought Addax Petroleum in 2009.

    Hungary

    • MOL

    India

    • Reliance Industries

    Papua New Guinea

    • Oil Search

    Russia

    • Norbest
    • Gazprom Neft

    Norway

    • DNO

    Iraq

    • Oil Search (Iraq) Limited
    • Kar Group
    • Qaiwan Group

    Spain

    • Repsol

    Independent

    • AFREN
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  20. isn't the kissinger deal still in place where all arab oil deals have to be done in U.S dollars or equivilent?
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    isn't the kissinger deal still in place where all arab oil deals have to be done in U.S dollars or equivilent?
    I really dont know too anything about that, or how much to trust the system along with the rules written on paper.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    I really dont know too anything about that, or how much to trust the system along with the rules written on paper.
    from what i understand kissenger made a lot of concessions, the one thing he insisted on was that the U.S dollar be the currency of trade.
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  23. Hey fellas, welcome to the new China!!

    You have a right to record the police

    And maybe a duty, too

    By T.C. Sottek on August 13, 2014
    Don't miss stories Follow The Verge



    A suburb of St. Louis, Missouri has been under a dramatic siege since Saturday, when a police officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager named Michael Brown. In the wake of the killing, protests have engulfed the community drawing a heavy-handed police crackdown with St. Louis County Police officers armed with assault weapons and outfitted with military equipment. Many of the striking images have come from reporters on the front lines, but also from citizens and their smartphones.

    Around 10PM ET on Wednesday night, a St. Louis County Police line demanded that a crowd of protesters turn off their cameras. Minutes earlier, the police had ordered what appeared to be a peaceful crowd to disperse, firing smoke grenades and rubber bullets. But none of them have to turn their cameras off.

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    Local tv cameraman patched into @msnbc right now said police ordering media to shut off cameras as they advance into crowd. #Ferguson
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    News crews a been asked to leave the #Ferguson area
    10:59 PM - 13 Aug 2014



    St. Louis County Police should read the constitution


    Here's the deal: as a US citizen, you have the right to record the police in the course of their public duties. The police don't have a right to stop you as long as you're not interfering with their work. They also don't have a right to confiscate your phone or camera, or delete its contents, just because you were recording them.

    Despite some state laws that make it illegal to record others without their consent, federal courts have held consistently that citizens have a First Amendment right to record the police as they perform their official duties in public. (The ACLU has a concise guide to your rights, here.) And the US Department of Justice under Obama has affirmed the court's stances by reminding police departments that they're not allowed to harass citizens for recording them.

    Sadly these rights are not always respected by the police. Even journalists are being harassed in Ferguson in the course of their reporting. Earlier this evening, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowrey and Huffington Post reporter Ryan Reilly were arrested in a McDonalds and later released with no explanation. Washington Post executive editor Martin D. Baron said Lowrey was "illegally instructed to stop taking video of officers," and then "slammed against a soda machine and then handcuffed."

    Video:
    http://wapo.st/Y6Mii7

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    Wesley Lowery @WesleyLowery Follow Officers decided we weren't leaving McDonalds quickly enough, shouldn't have been taping them.
    8:40 PM - 13 Aug 2014

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    Apparently, in America, in 2014, police can manhandle you, take you into custody, put you in cell & then open the door like it didn't happen
    9:13 PM - 13 Aug 2014

    It's obviously bad when reporters are being arrested for no reason, but it's important to remember that all citizens anybody who's old enough to operate a smartphone has a right to record the official activities of police in public.

    Original Post: http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/13/60...ord-the-police
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  24. the whole thing is a mess...but i don't see what good looting and destroying property is going to do, all it causes is destruction and mass hysteria. if i were a business or property owner effected by this i don't think i would see it any differently than a terrorist attack-collateral damage is a term that comes to mind here.
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  25. Document: Army Preparing to Use Lethal Force Against “Unarmed Civilians” During “Full Scale Riots” in U.S.

    Training manual outlines "sniper response" during crowd control operations

    by Paul Joseph Watson | August 18, 2014



    A document released by the U.S. Army details preparations for “full scale riots” within the United States during which troops may be forced to engage in a “lethal response” to deal with unruly crowds of demonstrators.

    The appearance of the document amidst growing unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, with the National Guard now being called in to deal with the disorder, is an ominous coincidence.

    The 132-page document, titled U.S. Army Techniques Publication 3-39.33: Civil Disturbances (PDF), was written in April 2014 and recently obtained by Public Intelligence.

    The document makes it clear that the techniques detailed therein are to be applied both outside and inside the “continental United States (CONUS)” in the event of “unruly and violent crowds” where it is “necessary to quell riots and restore public order.”

    The training manual outlines scenarios under which, “Civil unrest may range from simple, nonviolent protests that address specific issues, to events that turn into full-scale riots.”

    The most shocking aspect of the document is the fact that it describes the deployment of a “lethal response” directed against “unarmed civilians,” including “sniper response” and “small arms direct fire.”

    Under the heading “sniper response,” the document states, “Ensure that target leaders or troublemakers are targeted,” in addition to a passage which states, “Exploit the psychological effect of an attack.”



    Under the heading “small arms direct fire,” the manual states, “Escalate gradually, starting with a small caliber, single round and work up to a large caliber, automatic.”

    Another graphic which depicts “escalation of trauma” directs soldiers how to use “riot batons” in order to cause the necessary level of injury or death to the subject. “Deadly force final target areas” include the back of the neck, the solar plexus, the neck, the spine and the head.



    In light of events in Ferguson, where a predominantly black community has faced off with militarized police, it’s interesting to note that the manual makes reference to civil unrest that can arise out of “ethnic hatred” and, “Community unrest (that) results in urban conflicts that arise from highly emotional social and economic issues.” The document also mentions how rioters target “retail stores,” as happened during the looting in Ferguson.

    “Significant ethnic differences in a community can create an atmosphere of distrust, even hatred…… (and) can cause an eruption of civil disorder that can lead to full riots,” states the document.

    Although the document makes reference to the Constitutional rights of American citizens it goes on to stress that such protections are null and void under a state of emergency, asserting that Posse Comitatus, which is supposed to limit the power of the federal government to use military personnel domestically, “does not apply” under declared “emergency authority” or “When the need for the protection of federal property or federal functions exists.”

    It is important to stress that this training manual applies to U.S. Army operations in foreign countries as well as domestically on U.S. soil. Indeed, section 2-18 of the document goes into detail about domestic protests such as the 1999 anti-WTO demonstration in Seattle.

    The emergence of the document as National Guard troops prepare to descend on Ferguson, Missouri to deal with looting and civil unrest follows a report we published just a few weeks before the outbreak of the Ferguson riots which documented how National Guard troops were training to detain unruly African-American citizens in prison camps before handing them over to police.

    In a special video report, Alex Jones documented how the story was part of wider preparations by the government for domestic disorder that have been ongoing for years.



    We have reported previously on similar documents that outline how the U.S. Army would be forced to resort to lethal measures in order to deal with unruly Americans during times of emergency within the United States.

    In 2012 we covered FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations, a U.S. Army manual that describes how political activists in prison camps will be indoctrinated by specially assigned psychological operations officers. The document makes numerous references to how government agencies like the DHS, ICE and FEMA will be involved in the domestic internment of U.S. citizens during “civil support operations.”

    A second US Army Military Police manual that was leaked months later also outlined how military assets would be used domestically to quell riots, confiscate firearms and even kill Americans on U.S. soil during mass civil unrest.

    U.S. troops and National Guard also worked with local police to incarcerate Americans in detention camps during drills Alex Jones covered in 1999 in Oakland, California.

    A report produced in 2008 by the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute warned that the United States may experience massive civil unrest in the wake of a series of crises which it termed “strategic shock.”

    “Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” stated the report, authored by [Ret.] Lt. Col. Nathan Freir, adding that the military may be needed to quell “purposeful domestic resistance”.

    Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was established under the pretext of a “mass exodus” of illegal aliens crossing the Mexican/US border.

    During the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987, however, it was revealed that the program was a secretive “scenario and drill” developed by the federal government to suspend the Constitution, declare martial law, assign military commanders to take over state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens determined by the government to be “national security threats.”
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  26. Top NSA Whistleblower: We Need a New 9/11 Investigation Into the Destruction of the World Trade Center

    The Observable Facts Were Ignored …


    Image Credits: Wikimedia Commons


    by Washington's Blog | August 31, 2014


    Bill Binney is the NSA’s former senior technical director, 32-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency, one of the world’s top crypto-mathematicians, who managed thousands of employees at the agency.

    Binney was the original NSA whistleblower, and one of two NSA veterans whose example inspired Edward Snowden.

    Binney recently signed Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth’s petition, stating:

    There is clearly evidence that needs to be considered in a review of what happened in 9/11. We the public deserve an honest complete review of the facts with scientific interpretation and implications as to what really happened.

    Two days ago, Binney said in an interview that speaking with physicists and controlled demolition experts convinced him that the investigations to date have – at best - been incompetent, and failed to address the observable facts:



    Binney said:

    They felt they had to have something drastic happen so they could get a lot more money and build up an empire and do the things they wanted to do.

    Washington’s Blog asked Binney what he meant by that statement, and he explained:

    I had several reasons for saying that. First, Gen Minihan when he was Dirnsa [Director of the National Intelligence Agency] was internally in NSA quoted to say that we will have to have a drastic event occur before we could change the way we were doing things. Then Hayden took over as Dirnsa.

    And, on 27 February 2001 he or someone from NSA approached the CEO of Quest requesting Quests’ subscriber data – meaning billing data. This is in court records. [Background here, here and here.]

    This all smacked of waiting for something to happen so they could leverage it to do what they really wanted to do – which was evidenced by the request to Quest.

    Also, I would add that the 9/11 Commission left out data that Tom Drake passed to them showing vital data prior to 11 Sep giving warning of an attack. This should also not be acceptable. [Background.]

    Binney joins many high-level officials – including military leaders, intelligence officials and 9/11 commissioners – who are dissatisfied with the 9/11 investigations to date.

    For background on Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, watch this C-Span interview and this documentary.

    Postscript: Government officials agree that 9/11 was state-sponsored terrorism … they just disagree on which state was responsible.
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  27. lol....if you think the government would ever allow creditable proof of it's involvement in 911 to become public, then you must believe that donald trump is going to become a buddist and give all his worldly possessions to charity .....imo, the only reason it allows fringe accusations is to see [1st] how much the public is going to believe [2nd] how much of a outcry there is. basically the same as how it played the kennedy assasination...this wasn't the governments 1st rodeo and rest assured many more will come!!!
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  29. ax do you know anything about NESARA?
    it pops up in some of the stuff I frequent but always seems like troll city

  30. Retired Lt. Col. Reveals Secrets Of The 28-Page 9/11 Report

    CIA-trained intelligence officer confirms Infowars analysis

    In this incredibly powerful interview with Lt. Colonel Anthony Shaffer, a wealth of info is mined regarding the real parties involved in the Benghazi stand down and the truth behind the to be released 9/11 report of which 28 pages have not been released to the public for obvious reasons.

    (For 28 page document, start at minute 25, its only 5 minutes long)

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