Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

[EasyEJL]

Lol. Entertaining to say the least. On a side and somewhat fun note here's Arpaio in his own words (Note this is an interview conducted by Lou Dobbs) -

i kind of fail to see the fun. And I agree with him. If the whiny liberal/progressives are left with no other responses than trying to paint him as a racist, it means he is hitting home. You know, like you and the other liberals like to say "when you are down to name calling, its apparent your argument has no merit"

[AE14]

Ax, some new information is coming out about Holmes from the mouth of his mother and law enforcement. seems he could have paid through a grant he was receiving, and his mother was concerned about his mental health years ago. In addition, he was seeing a psychiatrist and actually had sent them a notebook about the massacre, illustrating it.

Is it possible? Not a conspiracy?

[ax1]

Ax, some new information is coming out about Holmes from the mouth of his mother and law enforcement. seems he could have paid through a grant he was receiving, and his mother was concerned about his mental health years ago.

Is it possible? Not a conspiracy?

Ones with mental health issues are usually better candidates to pull these types of operations off as they are easier to manipulate.

[ax1]

Ax, some new information is coming out about Holmes from the mouth of his mother and law enforcement. seems he could have paid through a grant he was receiving, and his mother was concerned about his mental health years ago. In addition, he was seeing a psychiatrist and actually had sent them a notebook about the massacre, illustrating it.

Is it possible? Not a conspiracy?

I just saw your additional edit. Ill have to look into it before I comment on it.

[EasyEJL]

Ax, some new information is coming out about Holmes from the mouth of his mother and law enforcement. seems he could have paid through a grant he was receiving, and his mother was concerned about his mental health years ago. In addition, he was seeing a psychiatrist and actually had sent them a notebook about the massacre, illustrating it.

Is it possible? Not a conspiracy?

its possible, just like its possible that some of his kookiness was seen early on in some of the defense department related stuff he worked in/with and exploited. He most likely was just a crazy ****er. but still who rigged the explosives? ive now heard more than one demolitions expert say that it was a multiple person job, and a job done by an explosives expert not by a kid trying his first time after reading on teh internet.

also, from what it sounded like, that grant money was his total income, and that was from around a year ago. a little hard to be sure on that part still

[AE14]

I just saw your additional edit. Ill have to look into it before I comment on it.

Would Appreciate your comments.

In terms of your previous post, it gets sillier and sillier. If he had no mental health issues then it has to be mk ultra. Since he had them, he is easier to manipulate.

I hope you see the silliness.

[ax1]

Would Appreciate your comments.

In terms of your previous post, it gets sillier and sillier. If he had no mental health issues then it has to be mk ultra. Since he had them, he is easier to manipulate.

I hope you see the silliness.

Its not silly at all, A intelligent subject with vulnerabilities are best for mkultra.

[AE14]

Its not silly at all, A intelligent subject with vulnerabilities are best for mkultra.

RIght....it's the best of both worlds. If he didn't show any predisposition then it's a conspiracy.....if he did show a predisposition, it's a conspiracy. Wow, seems very balanced.

[EasyEJL]

RIght....it's the best of both worlds. If he didn't show any predisposition then it's a conspiracy.....if he did show a predisposition, it's a conspiracy. Wow, seems very balanced.

not speaking for ax1, but the important part is to not fall into the trap of "our government would never do that to us". Whether this is or isn't a false flag is a separate question, but our government officials have and will do it to us to promote an agenda.

[ax1]

RIght....it's the best of both worlds. If he didn't show any predisposition then it's a conspiracy.....if he did show a predisposition, it's a conspiracy. Wow, seems very balanced.

His mental background is just a small piece of the whole picture here.

We cant be sure it was even James Holmes who entered the movie theater atm. All we have so far are witnesses who say they saw a man in a paramilitary outfit and mask.

Id like to know (and something I havent seen the media question) is where is the surveillance footage (parking lot?), does it exist? Or are they hiding it the way they did in OKC bombing, 9/11 Pentagon, Christmas Bomber, etc.....

[AE14]

not speaking for ax1, but the important part is to not fall into the trap of "our government would never do that to us". Whether this is or isn't a false flag is a separate question, but our government officials have and will do it to us to promote an agenda.

Agreed. I don't trust the government anymore than the next guy, but ax's argument is based on a fallacy. He is trying to have it both ways, and it can't be.

[ax1]

Agreed. I don't trust the government anymore than the next guy, but ax's argument is based on a fallacy. He is trying to have it both ways, and it can't be.

How am I trying to have it both ways? And how is your side of argument based on fact?

[AE14]

How am I trying to have it both ways? And how is your side of argument based on fact?

You have said that this is mk ultra because his medical history didn't show any signs for this. Then....when signs are starting to come out, it is still mk ultra because he shows signs. Hence both ways

I don't have an argument. We dont know enough yet to draw a conclusion.

[ax1]

You have said that this is mk ultra because his medical history didn't show any signs for this. Then....when signs are starting to come out, it is still mk ultra because he shows signs. Hence both ways

I don't have an argument. We dont know enough yet to draw a conclusion.

I dont know his medical history. There are signs of MKUltra but I cannot be 100% certain and I never will. MKUltra experiments have been run on both regular and mentally ill subjects for many years so it really doesnt matter other than its easier to manipulate an untamed mind.

Another potential scenario is that he simply could have been facilitated to commit the terrorist act the way the FBI did over here in NY not long ago, Maybe this explains how the FBI had a terrorist warning in colorado specifically for a movie theater not long ago until the day after the attack.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/op...pagewanted=all

[ax1]

Whats interesting is that the FBI has posted just several months (4-6?) warning of a possible theater terrorist attack in Colorado and they pulled it the day after the shooting.

I have to correct myself, was going off of memory.

The FBI posting was for Theater attacks in the US, but not any specific state.

Its not likely that this is linked to this event imo, but I felt it was important for me to clear that up after double checking my work.

May 17, 2012
“Although we have no specific or credible information indicating that terrorists plan to attack theaters in the United States, terrorists may seek to emulate overseas attacks on theaters here in the United States because they have the potential to inflict mass casualties and cause local economic damage.”
http://info.publicintelligence.net/D...terAttacks.pdf

[AE14]

I dont know his medical history. There are signs of MKUltra but I cannot be 100% certain and I never will. MKUltra experiments have been run on both regular and mentally ill subjects for many years so it really doesnt matter other than its easier to manipulate an untamed mind.

Another potential scenario is that he simply could have been facilitated to commit the terrorist act the way the FBI did over here in NY not long ago, Maybe this explains how the FBI had a terrorist warning in colorado specifically for a movie theater not long ago until the day after the attack.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/op...pagewanted=all

this illustrates my point....calling this MKUltra or anything else for that matter is silly at this point. We know very little, and will probably not gain much more information in the immediate future. I know all the conspiracy sites have already classified this, the Az shooting, and anything of that ilk as a government inside job. However, people seem to always neglect Occam's Razor

[ax1]

this illustrates my point....calling this MKUltra or anything else for that matter is silly at this point. We know very little, and will probably not gain much more information in the immediate future. I know all the conspiracy sites have already classified this, the Az shooting, and anything of that ilk as a government inside job. However, people seem to always neglect Occam's Razor

Its not silly at all. Do I know for sure? Of course not, but its certainly a strong possibility especially when the goverment has and is capable of doing so, historically has done so, and will always be prone to doing so... they will always be suspect.

I dont know excactly what happened and we never conclusively will (I dont believe in absolute conclusions,) but the event and information provided so far are too bizarre to believe it was an act of some lone silly gunman. Its well financed, there are multiple suspects and is very well planned.

AZ event has nothing to do with the details of this case, and I have no idea what the "conspiracy" sites say since I do not go to them.

[AE14]

Its not silly at all. Do I know for sure? Of course not, but its certainly a strong possibility especially when the goverment has and is capable of doing so, historically has done so, and will always be prone to doing so... they will always be suspect.

I dont know excactly what happened and we never conclusively will (I dont believe in absolute conclusions,) but the event and information provided so far are too bizarre to believe it was an act of some lone silly gunman. Its well financed, there are multiple suspects and is very well planned.

AZ event has nothing to do with the details of this case, and I have no idea what the "conspiracy" sites say since I do not go to them.

I dont know if I would consider this well financed, as he lived on a grant and no one knows for certain how much $ he received from family..etc

additionally, it wouldnt surprise me if there were others involved, however, the notebook is an interesting piece of evidence to show a sense of true mens rea in this instance. To be completely honest, I think this kid snapped. Based on what is slowly coming out, it seems to have been somewhat troubled, and it looks like he might have just gone over the edge. Or.....men in black suits could have drugged him into doing this so that they can pass certain gun restriction laws

[southpaw23]

i kind of fail to see the fun. And I agree with him. If the whiny liberal/progressives are left with no other responses than trying to paint him as a racist, it means he is hitting home. You know, like you and the other liberals like to say "when you are down to name calling, its apparent your argument has no merit"

What I meant by fun, is that it's fun to watch these tools seemingly out themselves. Things he's said in the past, including notes that he passed on to his own officers, will shed light on who he is as a person and those things will eventually leak to the press in the coming days. As for him not being a racist, that may be true, about as true as Napoleon Dynamite winning a national spelling bee. Since you have a PhD in all things liberal, in regards to whining...ironic,since whenever gun control is brought up, conservatives/libertarians whine more than guests at an Adam Lambert slumber party. Relax no one is going to take away your guns.

[ax1]

I dont know if I would consider this well financed, as he lived on a grant and no one knows for certain how much $ he received from family..etc

additionally, it wouldnt surprise me if there were others involved, however, the notebook is an interesting piece of evidence to show a sense of true mens rea in this instance. To be completely honest, I think this kid snapped. Based on what is slowly coming out, it seems to have been somewhat troubled, and it looks like he might have just gone over the edge. Or.....men in black suits could have drugged him into doing this so that they can pass certain gun restriction laws

We have to question the notebook...Im sure that a well planned even such as this you would set up backtrack to help validate the court case. It could have been made during the timing of his conditioning/drugging.

We will see how this plays out Ill post more I dont have much new to provide today.

I wish your right to tell you the truth.