Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

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  1. I can't believe you missed this

    http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/31...us&.lang=en-us

    The military "cleaning up" seal team 6 so nobody can tell the truth.....


  2. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I can't believe you missed this

    http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/31...us&.lang=en-us

    The military "cleaning up" seal team 6 so nobody can tell the truth.....
    Didnt miss it, but excellent post though! Ill contribute to that.

    Magically they killed the seals from the same group of the "Bin Laden Raid,"

    Alex Jones already predicted this would happen, now it happened, but he was a "conspiracy theorist" so lets pretend he never predicted it.

    Deaths of SEAL Team 6 Exposed

    Aaron Dykes & Alex Jones
    Infowars.com
    August 6, 2011
    Associated Press sources are reporting a statistically impossible tragedy for U.S. forces in Afghanistan– that of the 38 NATO forces killed in a helicopter crash Friday night, “more than 20″ were members of SEAL Team 6, the covert unit that took credit for killing Osama bin Laden in May.

    Mainstream sources are seizing upon claims that the Taliban took credit for downing the helicopter, but that means nothing. Media instantly ran reports that al Qaeda was responsible for the bombing & shootings in Norway; moreover, anyone on a message board can make such claims.

    Instead, Alex Jones predicted shortly after the raid on bin Laden’s compound that SEALs would soon be reported dead in a helicopter crash or staged incident following multiple reports from military sources who’ve proved accurate in the past, including on-air callers, that SEALs did indeed die during the raid. Official stories admitted after-the-fact that a helicopter went down during the mission, but claimed there were no deaths of U.S. forces.



    Below is Alex’s report on the breaking news of SEAL Team 6′s official demise:


    Infowars is on the record reporting that members of Seal Team 6 died in the so called OBL raid. The government admits that a super secret helicopter did crash during the OBL raid but says no one died, our intel is different. We predicted that the spin doctors would stage a crash or when a real crash took place that they would say the SEALs died then. This is a old trick that governments all over the world have been caught pulling in the past. Some speculate that Obama had the team killed to cover up what really happened; however our intel does not point that way. The Pentagon may have blown the helicopter up on the ground on the night of the raid and we cover that in the above video. Lastly the globalist MSM is reporting that terrorist have taken credit but that is notoriously filled with disinfo, like in the Norway attack when a fake terrorist group took credit and the media ran with it.

    According to the sources, military personnel internally admit to the SEAL deaths, however it was not clear whether it had been the result of an accidental crash, from a firefight with Pakistani military forces stationed only a short distance from the compound, or whether, as Pakistani eyewitnesses indicated (below), the helicopter exploded after covert forces entered.

    Whatever the true story, one thing is clear: dead men tell no tales. The inconvenient truth is that governments throughout history have disposed of heroes, covert troops and special forces to keep the real story from coming out. Helicopter and plane crashes have been one of the favorite methods for tying up these loose ends.

    Abbottabad residents told CCTV reporters they don’t believe Osama bin Laden was ever at this compund and that the operation was a ‘hoax’. Pakistan’s anti-terrorist squad also could not confirm the killing, according to reports.

    EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW-OBL Operation Was Not Successful(Eye Witness Claims)


    Pakistani eyewitnesses to the Abbottabad raid on Osama’s reputed compound reported that a U.S. helicopter exploded and that Americans died, despite the fact that mainstream media reports claimed no one died in the raid. The crash was reported but remains little explained.

    As Dr. Paul Craig Roberts presciently dredged up again only yesterday:
    In the immediate aftermath of bin Laden’s alleged murder by the SEALs, Pakistani TV interviewed the next door neighbor to bin Laden’s alleged compound. Someone supplied the video with an English translation running at the bottom of the video. According to the translation, the next door neighbor, Mr. Bashir, said that he watched the entire operation from the roof of his house. There were 3 helicopters. Only 1 landed. About a dozen men got out and entered the house. They shortly returned and boarded the helicopter. When the helicopter lifted off it exploded, killing all aboard. Mr. Bashir reports seeing bodies and pieces of bodies all over.
    The US government acknowledges that it lost a helicopter, but claims no one was hurt. Obviously, as there were no further landings, if everyone was killed as Mr. Bashir reports, there was no body to be dumped into the ocean.
    SEAL Team 6 was formally dissolved in 1987, becoming the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, with its command structure transferred to Joint Special Operations Command. The unit’s true nature and even numbers are unknown.

    This May 17 Navy Times article would revise the official account of events, admitting to the crash incident:
    Aboard two Black Hawk helicopters were 23 SEALs, an interpreter and a tracking dog named Cairo. Nineteen SEALs would enter the compound, and three of them would find bin Laden, one official said, providing the exact numbers for the first time.
    Aboard the Chinooks were two dozen more SEALs, as backup.
    [...] The plan unraveled as the first helicopter tried to hover over the compound. The Black Hawk skittered around uncontrollably in the heat-thinned air, forcing the pilot to land. As he did, the tail and rotor got caught on one of the compound’s 12-foot walls. The pilot quickly buried the aircraft’s nose in the dirt to keep it from tipping over, and the SEALs clambered out into an outer courtyard.
    [...] It took approximately 15 minutes to reach bin Laden, one official said. The next 23 or so were spent blowing up the broken chopper, after rounding up nine women and 18 children to get them out of range of the blast.
    **NOTE TO LISTENERS: Please help us locate the previous statements from Alex, as well as callers, shortly following the May 1 OBL raid pertaining to the predictions of a coming helicopter crash or other staged event.
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  3. wow 9/11 discussion, glad to see the fire is still burning. any american citizen should be furious at this government. I love this country but our leaders and law makers are all focked up

    I remember being called a crazy traitor terrorist back in 06', 07' when i was preachin 9/11 was an inside job. Handing out DVD's of Powerhours "in plane sight".

    Man I got attacked, on here and some car forums in 04'-06' and almost anytime i brought the subject up. ALOT of the discussions on here mysteriously disappeared. lol Never infracted though, just told to place nice.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    wow 9/11 discussion, glad to see the fire is still burning. any american citizen should be furious at this government. I love this country but our leaders and law makers are all focked up

    I remember being called a crazy traitor terrorist back in 06', 07' when i was preachin 9/11 was an inside job. Handing out DVD's of Powerhours "in plane sight".

    Man I got attacked, on here and some car forums in 04'-06' and almost anytime i brought the subject up. ALOT of the discussions on here mysteriously disappeared. lol Never infracted though, just told to place nice.
    Welcome to my thread (or blog, lol,) come by anytime. 9/11 is the main focus, but also this is the place to talk about anything and I often post about government corruption, economy, domestic policy, constitution, obama's fake birth certificate, etc....

    Feel free to post anything interesting you may run in to also

    Just so you know, I also have a TSA Police State specific thread as well. I like to keep the TSA stuff there and not here.
    POLICE STATE 2011: 6 year old girl groped then drug tested by TSA
    Last edited by ax1; 08-06-2011 at 11:14 PM.
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  5. Seal Team 6 Crash Was An Inside Job

    Alex Jones
    Infowars.com
    August 7, 2011

    Related post #482 just above ^^^^

    This is reportedly the largest one day loss of troops in the 10 year war in Afghanistan and it just happens to be Seal Team 6. So now we are to buy that the men who took out OBL died in a helicopter crash months after pulling off the raid. Our inside sources told us months ago that all the Seals on the helicopter that crashed in the so called OBL raid died, yet the Obama admin says none were killed.

    Witnesses on the ground in Pakistan told national News outlets that the Seals went in to the compound then came out got in a stealth craft and it exploded. The video with the witnesses is posted on Infowars.com in our news report titled "Seal Team 6 Deaths Exposed". Now the globalists may have killed off the rest of the Seal team that made it out in the other stealth helicopter from the OBL raid to tie up loose ends. Bottom line the official bin Laden raid story is a proven fraud so it is no wonder that this story dose not add up.

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  6. This is just disrespectful to the 37 men who lost their lives yesterday. They put more on the line than you ever will and endured far greater than you can imagine to become elite. They deserve respect, not your ridiculous theories that detract from their life

  7. That's one way to look at it.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11
    This is just disrespectful to the 37 men who lost their lives yesterday. They put more on the line than you ever will and endured far greater than you can imagine to become elite. They deserve respect, not your ridiculous theories that detract from their life
    The men themselves deserve our respect and nobody here would deny that, but it doesn't mean they died yesterday rather than months ago. We've gone 10 years in Afghanistan without any helicopter loss of life due to rockets and the first one happens to contain seal team 6? What are the odds mathematically of that ?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    This is just disrespectful to the 37 men who lost their lives yesterday. They put more on the line than you ever will and endured far greater than you can imagine to become elite. They deserve respect, not your ridiculous theories that detract from their life
    Im sorry you feel this is disrespectful, but its my personal duty and the duty of the American people to inform each other of government corruption and spread the truth of what happened to our soldiers.

    What those soldiers deserve is for people to know the truth, and the criminals who took their lives to be sentenced so this doesnt happen again.
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  10. Breaking News!!

    Sources: Seal Team 6 Was Murdered

    TheAlexJonesChannel
    August 7, 2011

    The SEALs team has reportedly been extremely angry about the fabricated OBL raid and ready to talk. Alex Jones to bring sources on air tomorrow LIVE at 11 AM CST



    More to come tomorrow on this latest breaking news!
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  11. Pentagon Edits Number of Dead SEALs in Afghan Copter Downing

    Modifications are reported without comment by lapdog corporate media.

    Pentagon Changes It's Story on death of SEAL Team 6, Number of SEALs Killed Changes From 22 To 17


    Also, as I predicted they are making a propaganda film about the phony Bin Laden assassination.

    Obama under fire for giving Hurt Locker director access to Navy SEALs to make Bin Laden film

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1UjHJ7FSG
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  12. Ron Paul's message hits America

    Last night the GOP presidential candidates went head to head in a debate. Many of the issues plaguing the US were talked about but one voice emerged over the rest. Ron Paul was given a lot of air-time to make his points which some people have complained about. Is a new era of political thought around the bend? Kristine Frazao is in Iowa to tell us more.



    Ron Paul on FOX News 08/12/11


    Ron Pauls Iowa Fox GOP Debate Question & Answers Highlights

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  13. You and I both know Paul is not getting the nod. It will be Romney or Perry (god help me). Big government regardless of party.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    You and I both know Paul is not getting the nod. It will be Romney or Perry (god help me). Big government regardless of party.
    I dont think he is going to win either, even if he did the Republicans dont even have to nominate him. Plus other factors I wont get into but whats important to me is the movement, not winning. As long as the movement is moving forward thats victory to me. If the movement is moving backward its still victory to me. Whats important is not selling out and/or giving up.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by AE14
    You and I both know Paul is not getting the nod. It will be Romney or Perry (god help me). Big government regardless of party.
    I'm not sure. I think from all I can tell we will at least have some shrink, even if Obama wins again. All the republican congress agree with a 10:1 spending cut:tax hike ratio, and basically over the next president's term the economy won't get much better, and raising the debt ceiling will get harder each year. So definitely some government shrinkage.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm not sure. I think from all I can tell we will at least have some shrink, even if Obama wins again. All the republican congress agree with a 10:1 spending cut:tax hike ratio, and basically over the next president's term the economy won't get much better, and raising the debt ceiling will get harder each year. So definitely some government shrinkage.
    I think their version of government shrinkage may be to extend their current 5 week vacation to 6 weeks. Thats 1 week more of shrinkage, lol.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm not sure. I think from all I can tell we will at least have some shrink, even if Obama wins again. All the republican congress agree with a 10:1 spending cut:tax hike ratio, and basically over the next president's term the economy won't get much better, and raising the debt ceiling will get harder each year. So definitely some government shrinkage.
    With the expansion of Wars, the Police State, FEMA and other government agencies backed by black budgets, overseas banks, the Federal Reserve, etc....I only see an increase in government and spending (or at least/combination of transfer of spending) no matter which side is in power.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    With the expansion of Wars, the Police State, FEMA and other government agencies backed by black budgets, overseas banks, the Federal Reserve, etc....I only see an increase in government and spending (or at least/combination of transfer of spending) no matter which side is in power.
    I'm less sure. The voters are clear, and the rating agencies are clear as well (and so is China). The deficit is too large to sustain, and the economy is too fragile to raise taxes much. So spending has to go down to lower the deficit. Of course, as soon as we get AAA back, i'm sure it will be spend spend spend again.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm less sure. The voters are clear, and the rating agencies are clear as well (and so is China). The deficit is too large to sustain, and the economy is too fragile to raise taxes much. So spending has to go down to lower the deficit. Of course, as soon as we get AAA back, i'm sure it will be spend spend spend again.
    I think that what China says is all phony anyways. I dont think they would care much if they lost 1 trillion or so dollars as much as seeing America totally collapse and China becoming the worlds biggest economy, and the worlds biggest ruler. They are just trying to make things sustain and bleed America for all they can during their transitional phase, as at the moment this is how they are capitalizing and leveraging some of their powers.

    The Chinese arent satisfied until they rule and conquer the universe.
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  20. Just a quick vent....

    The next time I see Michelle Backmann on CNN speaking as is she is the voice and forefront of the Tea Party movement I swear Im going to kill myself!

    (no, but you know what I mean)
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  21. After yesterday I am more convinced than ever that the religious zealot Perry is going to get the GOP nomination. Great, now he is going to force me to vote Obama.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    After yesterday I am more convinced than ever that the religious zealot Perry is going to get the GOP nomination. Great, now he is going to force me to vote Obama.
    A vote for Obama is the same as a vote for Perry. I do not see any difference between the two. They are both war mongering globalist anti-capitalist pro-corporatist, pro-elitest anti-constitutional banker lying bigots.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    A vote for Obama is the same as a vote for Perry. I do not see any difference between the two. They are both war mongering globalist anti-capitalist pro-corporatist, pro-elitest anti-constitutional banker lying bigots.
    that was a mouthful

    In all seriousness, there are similarities, as we know that both parties are becoming interchangeable. However, the religious right frightens me more than anything else, and Perry is a king panderer to the religious right. So no matter, I cannot vote for him. Same as in '08 with Huckabee. I would like to see Huntsman get a little more press, but he wont...sadly

  24. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    that was a mouthful

    In all seriousness, there are similarities, as we know that both parties are becoming interchangeable. However, the religious right frightens me more than anything else, and Perry is a king panderer to the religious right. So no matter, I cannot vote for him. Same as in '08 with Huckabee. I would like to see Huntsman get a little more press, but he wont...sadly
    I understand...Sarah Palin frightens me in the same way as well. Her "pastor" blessed her to become governor of Alaska, and protected her from "witchcraft" (seriously, wtf, lol). This Pastor went over to Kenya years ago to a village and accused someone of being a witch and had the whole village after her life driving her away from her home. That to me is a terrorist, and thats Sarah Palin's main religious adviser.

    Just in case you havent seen this, this is Palin being saved from "Witchcraft"

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  25. Still better than the head if fox news turning his office into a bunker to protect himself from gay terrorists

  26. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    that was a mouthful

    In all seriousness, there are similarities, as we know that both parties are becoming interchangeable. However, the religious right frightens me more than anything else, and Perry is a king panderer to the religious right. So no matter, I cannot vote for him. Same as in '08 with Huckabee. I would like to see Huntsman get a little more press, but he wont...sadly
    This post is just for you...Ill give you 14 reasons why Rick Perry will be a bad president....I think these 14 may be enough to not even have to consider his right wing religious beliefs. And I will agree his support for Al Gore (#7) is reason for serious concern, since Al Gore is a corporatist fraud trying to capitalize on one of man-kind's biggest hoaxes.


    14 Reasons Why Rick Perry Would Be A Really, Really Bad President
    Originaly posted by http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...-bad-president

    Supporters of Texas Governor Rick Perry are not going to like this article at all. Right now, Republicans all over the United States are touting Rick Perry as the "Republican messiah" that is going to come charging in to save America from the presidency of Barack Obama. Many believe that if Rick Perry enters the race, he will instantly become the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. Perry certainly looks the part and he knows how to give a good speech, but when ordinary Americans all over the country take a hard look at his record, they may not like what they see. The truth is that Rick Perry is a big-time globalist, he has raised taxes and fees in Texas numerous times, he has massively increased the size of government spending and government debt in Texas, he has been trying to ram the Trans-Texas Corridor down the throats of the Texas people and he tried to force young women all over Texas to be injected with the Gardasil vaccine. No, Rick Perry is not going to save America. In fact, he would likely be very, very similar to both Bush and Obama in a lot of ways. Right now, Rick Perry is trying to portray himself as a "good conservative" so that if he enters the race he will be accepted by Christian conservatives. If Rick Perry did win the Republican nomination, he would have a great chance of winning the general election because he would very much be an "establishment" candidate.
    But before Republicans get too excited about Rick Perry, there are a whole lot of things that they should know about him.

    The following are 14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president....

    #1 Rick Perry is a "big government" politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

    #2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

    #3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

    #4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

    #5 Rick Perry claims that he has a "track record" of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

    #6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

    #7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore's campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

    #8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

    #9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year....
    •  We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.
    •  We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.
    •  We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

    #10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

    #11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

    #12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

    #13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

    #14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when "apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck's hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work."

    Rick Perry has a record that should make all Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents cringe.
    He is not the "conservative Republican" that he is trying to claim that he is. He is simply another in a long line of "RINOs" (Republicans in name only).
    If Rick Perry becomes president, he will probably be very similar to George W. Bush. He will explode the size of the U.S. government and U.S. government debt, he will find sneaky ways to raise taxes, he will do nothing about the Federal Reserve or corruption in our financial system and he will push the agenda of the globalists at every turn.
    Look, the truth is that another four years of Barack Obama would be a complete and total nightmare.
    But so would four years of Rick Perry.
    America deserves better than the "lesser of two evils".
    Unfortunately, the American people have been dead asleep and have been sending incompetents, con men and charlatans to Washington D.C. for decades.
    Hopefully things will be different in 2012.
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  27. Not disagreeing overall, but the two on minimum wage are silly. Minimum wage is a joke today, it was meant to be the minimum wage for a skilled employee, a journeyman carpenter for instance (not an apprentice). Now it applies to people so unskilled they can't get a fast food order right on a touch screen with pictures.

  28. The new era in policing: NYPD creates social media unit

    NYPD forms new social media unit to mine Facebook and Twitter for mayhem
    BY Rocco Parascandola
    DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU CHIEF
    Wednesday, August 10th 2011, 4:00 AM

    DAILY NEWS PHOTO ILLUSTRATION
    The New York Police Department has formed Facebook and Twitter units in order to track down and monitor criminals and criminal behavior on social media sites.


    The NYPD has formed a new unit to track troublemakers who announce plans or brag about their crimes on Twitter, MySpace and Facebook.

    Newly named Assistant Commissioner Kevin O'Connor, one of the department's online and gang gurus, has been put in charge of the new juvenile justice unit. He and his staff will mine social media, looking for info about troublesome house parties, gang showdowns and other potential mayhem, sources said.
    The power of social media to empower both criminals and cops has been on full display in London this week, where riots and looting have been spreading dramatically.
    The rioters have been using Twitter and BlackBerry messages to choose targets for looting or burning - and to alert one another about police positions.
    The very same social media have been a source for those trying to help cops by posting photos of rioters.
    O'Connor's new unit will operate under the Community Affairs Bureau; it will also handle outreach programs, with its mandate going beyond the Net.
    Still, the 23-year veteran is known for his success in online policing, including stings to catch predator pervs looking for sex with underage victims.

    Both Calvin Pietri (l.) and Kayla Henriques (r.) were caught by NYPD detectives as a result of their Facebook posts. The department has formed a new unit to mine social media sites for trouble. (via Facebook; Todd Maisel/News)
    And he was credited in his former assignment with a Manhattan North gang unit for providing critical information in a number of shooting cases gleaned from online boasting. O'Connor, who could not be reached for comment, was promoted to his new position from lieutenant - a highly unusual stepup in rank.
    Under Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, the NYPD has made wide use of technology, and it's helped in a number of cases, including:

    • * In March, Anthony Collao, 18, was fatally beaten in an anti-gay attack at a Woodhaven, Queens, house party advertised on Facebook. Calvin Pietri, one of six arrested, bragged about the murder on Facebook, authorities said.
    • * Also in March, a feud over a $20 loan for diapers played out on Facebook and ended with Kayla Henriques, 18, accused of stabbing to death her friend Kamisha Richards, 22, in East New York, Brooklyn.
      In May, a man was shot dead at a Queens junior high reunion that drew hundreds of unexpected revelers when word of the bash went viral on Twitter.


    That incident prompted Kelly to instruct all police commanders to keep track of house parties, especially those advertising online.
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  29. Just checked in on this thread for the first time in forever.

    You guys are still fighting the good fight it seems. **** the religious right.


    I try to tell everybody... Really understanding Ron Paul and what he supports is the only way any of this can be fixed.

    And a vote for Obama is purely pro socialism.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicRyan1 View Post
    And a vote for Obama is purely pro socialism.
    This I disagree with completely, Obama is far from a socialist.

    If you look at his track record he is a corporatist, fascist war mongering elitist. His major "socialist" plan, the Obama care isnt even socialist, its total corporate takeover of human life.

    Someone like Bernie Sanders is a true socialist, I actually have respect for him.

    The only problem I truly have with socialism is that I dont trust government. Karl Marx was funded by Wall Street bankers...hmmm...

    By the way, I belive Ron Paul is doing far better than what the media is leading people to believe.
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