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    The 9/11 Inside Job Anniversary Kicks Off Early With Fake Carbomb Threats From New York Officials

    Quote of the day:
    "These people cannot help themselves, they have to terrorize the people, they are criminal terrorists. Formulaic, just stay scared so Bloomberg can get more security money. This is a fear based extortion racket, fake terror threats can be just as effective at getting budget increases. Bloomberg wants a socialist police state run by Bernie Kerik - Ray Kelly 9/11 types. In New York, this is how you get it done. Fake a threat then offer over-priced security for the threat you generated. Its a scam! 9/11 was and still is an inside job, done by Bloomberg in fact. He was selected to keep the scam going after Asbestos Rudy left. Peter King lives for terror, it is the wind under his wings .... Mr. Al-Qaeda himself. New York is a corrupt terrorist police state cesspool. There are mafia criminal in charge of the Big Apple, beware they love terrorism, its big bucks."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    The 9/11 Inside Job Anniversary Kicks Off Early With Fake Carbomb Threats From New York Officials

    Quote of the day:
    "These people cannot help themselves, they have to terrorize the people, they are criminal terrorists. Formulaic, just stay scared so Bloomberg can get more security money. This is a fear based extortion racket, fake terror threats can be just as effective at getting budget increases. Bloomberg wants a socialist police state run by Bernie Kerik - Ray Kelly 9/11 types. In New York, this is how you get it done. Fake a threat then offer over-priced security for the threat you generated. Its a scam! 9/11 was and still is an inside job, done by Bloomberg in fact. He was selected to keep the scam going after Asbestos Rudy left. Peter King lives for terror, it is the wind under his wings .... Mr. Al-Qaeda himself. New York is a corrupt terrorist police state cesspool. There are mafia criminal in charge of the Big Apple, beware they love terrorism, its big bucks."

    If you had to pick a "big city" to live in, which would you say is best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wontstop985 View Post
    If you had to pick a "big city" to live in, which would you say is best?
    New York City, I love it there. 2nd would be Beijing China. 3rd Shanghai.
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    NYPD’s 1000 “Anti-Terror Cops” Have Tanks, Weapons, Navy
    Exclusive: Elaborate New York City Post-9/11 Security
    NYPD Commish: Big Apple Has Its Own Army, Navy, Tanks & Soon A Submarine

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/09/...-911-security/

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    9/11 North East Air Defense Staff Joke About Flight 175 Hijacking As It Happens


    Uploaded by HistoryCommons .... Staff at the North East Air Defense Sector (NEADS) learn that a second plane (United 175) has been hijacked on 9/11. They joke about it; we hear them say: "That's it, I'm not flying with United or American any more," "I never thought I would have wished for ValuJet to come back," and "I'm glad I'm not flying today," to which the answer is, "Don't worry Jim, we'll carjack you on the way home." Two minutes later they are talking about stock they own.

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    9/11 Inside Job: Ten Years Later - Special Nightly News report below

    Aaron Dykes
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    September 10, 2011

    Infowars Nighty News Special Report: 9/11 An Inside Job, Ten Years LaterIn a special report for Infowars Nightly News marking the 10th Anniversary of the September 11 attacks, Infowars.com reporter Aaron Dykes reflects upon some of the biggest smoking guns and unanswered questions of 9/11, as well as the legacy of 9/11 truth, which has gained momentum with the public.

    That catalyzing event has transformed society, thrusting the United States and many of its allies into perpetual wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other states in the region. At the same time, in the name of stopping potential terrorists, a police state has risen at home– from TSA groping to Homeland Security targeting returning veterans, constitutionalists and political activists, our Bill of Rights and Constitution have been thrown out the window.

    Meanwhile, the victims’ family members, suffering rescue workers and patriots have struggled for truth and justice, with no answers at all from those in power. Instead, so-called investigations have been nothing more than cover-ups.

    From WTC Building 7 to evidence of demolition, subverted intelligence, the al Qaeda hoax and political grandstanding, nothing from the official story adds up… and there is every reason to persevere in the fight to bring the truth to the public’s attention.

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    Ill be posting more often and primarily about 9/11 for the next couple days.

    Infowars Man on the Street: Poll on WTC Building 7 Collapse

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    Infowars nightly news reporter, Darrin McBreen, talks to UT Students about building 7 on 9/11, and ask if they think it was brought down by a “control demolition.”

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    Barry Jennings NYC Emergency Coordinator (who was mysteriously murdered several years ago) reports that explosions went off in the WTC 7 both before and after the Twin Towers collapsed and how the WTC 7 lobby was blown out.

    The scene at the Trade Towers
    "After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said." - Traverse City Record-Eagle (09/11/01)

    Terrorist attack collapses World Trade towers, shakes the nation
    "Eight hours after the morning crashes, fire was raging at adjoining 7 World Trade Center, eventually causing its collapse at about 5:20 p.m. The evacuated building was damaged when the tower above it collapsed Tuesday morning.
    City Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, was in a city command center on the 23rd floor of a neighboring Trade Center building during the second explosion.
    He and city Corporation Counsel Michael Hess made it downstairs, where the lobby was just gone. "I thought I was dead," Jennings said. "It looked like hell." - Boston Globe (09/11/01)


    MBarry Jennings' New York Citie's Emergency Coordinator on 9/11 account of WTC 7 explosions

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    The powerful new documentary film by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

    The film features cutting-edge 9/11 evidence from more than 50 experts in their fields – high-rise architects, structural engineers, physicists, chemical engineers, firefighters, metallurgists, explosives experts, controlled demolition technicians, and more. They are each highly qualified. Several have Ph.D’s, including renowned scientist, Lynn Margulis who was awarded the National Medal of Science, and who exposes in this film the fraud of NIST and discusses how the scientific method should have been applied to the destruction of evidence and to the high temperature incendiaries in the WTC dust samples. The documentary is filled with wisdom from experts such as Les Young, one of several high-rise architects interviewed in the film, who remarks,

    Full Documentary for free viewing. 2 Hours 20 minutes.

    9/11: Explosive Evidence -- Experts Speak Out (Full)



    For those who just have time to watch the introductory trailer watch here
    9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Trailer



    In the full-length documentary we also interviewed almost a dozen psychologists who will help us to explain why 9/11 Truth is so difficult for the public to even face, much less accept – and what we can do better to reach them. We will also hear from several 9/11 victim family members who support AE911Truth in our call for a new investigation.
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    Highly Credible People Question 9/11

    PART 1 (click bold and underlined for sources) Part 2 next post

    The following people question the government’s version of 9/11, or the government’s openness in providing information about the September 11 attacks.


    9/11 COMMISSIONERS
    The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.
    The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).
    Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.
    9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.
    9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”
    9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”
    Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.
    9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest“.
    The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
    CONGRESS
    According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, a U.S. government informant was the landlord to two of the hijackers for over a year (but the White House refused to let the 9/11 inquiry interview him).
    Current U.S. Senator (Patrick Leahy) states “The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush’s watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?”
    Current Republican Congressman (Ron Paul) calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that “we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on”
    Current Democratic Congressman (Dennis Kucinich) hints that we aren’t being told the truth about 9/11
    Former Democratic Senator (Mike Gravel) states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don’t know the truth about 9/11
    Former Republican Senator (Lincoln Chaffee) endorses a new 9/11 investigation
    Former U.S. Democratic Congressman (Dan Hamburg) says that the U.S. government “assisted” in the 9/11 attacks, stating that “I think there was a lot of help from the inside”
    Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee (Curt Weldon) has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
    MILITARY LEADERS
    Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is “the dog that doesn’t hunt” (bio)
    Director of the U.S. “Star Wars” space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that 9/11 was an inside job. He also said:U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a member of a group which doubts the government’s version of 9/11
    U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said “We’ve never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I’ve seen that for a long time.”
    Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official (Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski) finds various aspects of 9/11 suspicious
    Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve Butler) said “Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism.”
    Two-Star general (Major General Albert Stubbelbine) questions the attack on the Pentagon
    U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) said the following:
    “I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government ….
    Those of us in the military took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.
    We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!”
    U.S. Marine Corps lieutenant colonel, a fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown and a 21-year Marine Corps career (Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford) believes that 9/11 was an inside job, and said:
    “This isn’t about party, it isn’t about Bush Bashing. It’s about our country, our constitution, and our future. …
    Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
    If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or … to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ….
    Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can’t handle it? …”
    U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot (Commander Ralph Kolstad) who questions the official account of 9/11 and is calling for a new investigation, says “When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story”.
    The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
    Additionally, numerous military leaders from allied governments have questioned 9/11, such as:
    Canadian Minister of Defense, the top military leader of Canada (Paul Hellyer)
    Assistant German Defense Minister (Andreas Von Bulow)
    Commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy (Anatoli Kornukov)
    Chief of staff of the Russian armed forces (General Leonid Ivashov)

    INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS

    Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is “far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers“. He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that “very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been”, that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there’s enough evidence to justify a new, “hard-hitting” investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.
    A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.
    A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … All three [buildings that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11.” (and see this).
    20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) stated that “9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war”, and it was probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006).
    A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that“the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job .
    The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said “The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup.”
    Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army) questions the government’s version of the events of 9/11.
    The head of all U.S. intelligence, the Director of National Intelligence (Mike McConnel) said “9/11 should have and could have been prevented”
    A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored).
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    ....continued from previous post

    Highly Credible People question 9/11

    Part 2 (click bold and underlined for sources)


    STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
    A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
    Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
    Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California
    Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California
    Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England
    Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia
    Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado
    David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland
    Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California
    Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona
    David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California
    Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)
    Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin
    Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)
    Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer
    William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College
    An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage) disputes the claim that fire and airplane damage brought down the World Trade Centers and believes there is strong evidence of controlled demolition (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed here)
    LEGAL SCHOLARS
    Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Former Inspector General, U.S. Department of Transportation; former Professor of Aviation, Dept. of Aerospace Engineering and Aviation and Professor of Public Policy, Ohio State University (Mary Schiavo) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign; a leading practitioner and advocate of international law; responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention; served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court, with a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University (Dr. Francis Boyle) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Former prosecutor in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby Kennedy’s anti-corruption task force; former assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois (J. Terrence “Terry” Brunner) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Professor Emeritus, International Law, Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton University; in 2001 served on the three-person UN Commission on Human Rights for the Palestine Territories, and previously, on the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (Richard Falk) questions the government’s version of 9/11., and asks whether the Neocons were behind 9/11.
    Bessie Dutton Murray Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and Director, Center for Human Rights, University of Iowa; Fellow, World Academy of Art and Science. Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American Journal of International Law (Burns H. Weston) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Former president of the National Lawyers Guild (C. Peter Erlinder), who signed a petition calling for a real investigation into 9/11. And see petition.
    Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University; associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents; Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations; former Federal Sky Marshall; 27-year U.S. Customs career (Mark Conrad) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Professor of Law, University of Freiburg; former Minister of Justice of West Germany (Horst Ehmke) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy; former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer; author of several books on law and political theory (Dr. William G. Weaver) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Famed trial attorney (Gerry Spence) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Former Instructor of Criminal Trial Practice, Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California at Berkeley 11-year teaching career. Retired Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year career (William Veale) said:FAMILY MEMBERS AND HEROIC FIRST RESPONDERS
    A common criticism of those who question 9/11 is that they are being “disrespectful to the victims and their families”.
    However, half of the victim’s families believe that 9/11 was an inside job (according to the head of the largest 9/11 family group, Bill Doyle) (and listen to this interview). Many family and friends of victims not only support the search for 9/11 truth, but they demand it (please ignore the partisan tone). See also this interview.
    Indeed, it has now become so clear that the 9/11 Commission was a whitewash that the same 9/11 widows who called for the creation of the 9/11 Commission are now demanding a NEW investigation (see also this video).
    And dying heroes, soon-to-be victims themselves, the first responders who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers and that a real investigation is necessary.

    PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS

    Finally, those who attack people who question the government’s version of 9/11 as “crazy” may wish to review the list of mental health professionals who have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false:
    Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD
    Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz
    Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD
    Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Barry R. Komisaruk
    Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward
    Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino
    Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther
    Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner
    Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor
    Retired Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris
    Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech
    Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser

    THOUSANDS OF OTHERS

    The roster above is only a sample. There are too many Ph.D. scientists and engineers, architects, military and intelligence officials, politicians, legal scholars and other highly-credible people who question 9/11 — literally thousands — to list in one place. Here are a few additional people to consider:
    The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission
    Former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew “like the back of my hand” and who handled two actual hijackings (Robin Hordon) says that 9/11 could not have occurred as the government says, and that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off (also, listen to this interview)
    Perhaps “the premiere collapse expert in the country”, who 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer referred to as a “very, very respected expert on building collapse”, the head of the New York Fire Department’s Special Operations Command and the most highly decorated firefighter in its NYFD history, who had previously “commanded rescue operations at many difficult and complex disasters, including the Oklahoma City Bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, and many natural disasters worldwide” thought that the collapse of the South Tower was caused by bombs, because the collapse of the building was too even to have been caused by anything else(pages 5-6).
    Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
    Former FBI agent (Robert Wright) says “The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.”
    Former Minnesota Governor (Jesse Ventura)
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    Part 3 (bolded for sources)

    SCIENTISTS


    A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed “does not match the available facts” and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
    A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America’s highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. “I wish that there would be a peer review of this,” he said, referring to the NIST investigation. “I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. … I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable.”
    The principal electrical engineer for the entire World Trade Center complex, who was “very familiar with the structures and [the Twin Towers'] conceptual design parameters” (Richard F. Humenn), stated that “the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel . . . . the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down.”
    Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA’s Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain A. Deets) says:A prominent physicist, former U.S. professor of physics from a top university, and a former principal investigator for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects (Dr. Steven E. Jones) stated that the world trade centers were brought down by controlled demolition
    A U.S. physics professor who teaches at several universities (Dr. Crockett Grabbe) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition
    An expert on demolition (Bent Lund) said that the trade centers were brought down with explosives (in Danish)
    A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded
    A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority (Dr. Heikki Kurttila) stated regarding WTC 7 that “The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition.”
    A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university, with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member (Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn), is calling for a new investigation of 9/11
    A Danish professor of chemistry (Dr. Niels Harrit) said, in a mainstream Danish newspaper, “WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building would have fallen in that direction. You don’t have to be a woodcutter to grasp this” (translated)
    A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers “were brought down by planted explosives.”
    A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the Northern California – Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward S. Munyak) believes that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition.
    The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , does not believe the official story, and believes that there is a prima facie case for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center.
    A professor of mathematics (Gary Welz) said “The official explanation that I’ve heard doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t explain why I heard and felt an explosion before the South Tower fell and why the concrete was pulverized”

    Full article from 9/11 Summary.com
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    I saw these 2 firefighters on MSNBC this morning while they are replaying 9/11 footage...unfortunately they did not play what they had to say that morning.

    9/11 Firemen Testimony - Multiple Huge Explosions



    More footage that you WILL NOT see today

    9/11 Basement And Lobby Explosions During The First Strike On WTC




    9/11: Car & Sewer Bombs




    9/11: Ashleigh Banfield reports secondary explosions

    NYC Emergency Coordinator Barry Jennings' account of WTC 7 explosions

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    Another issue they will not discuss today on national media about 9/11...this is totally censored from the American Public

    The Star Wars Beam Weapons
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    Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW)
    (A focus of the Star Wars Program)

    Toasted Cars
    At the time this article was being developed, many people expressed disbelief that energy weapons existed outside of science fiction until they were reminded of the Star Wars Program, also known as the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)*. The name of this article was chosen as a reminder that energy weapons do exist and have been developed over 100 years. Most of this technology is classified information. It can also be assumed that such technology exists in multiple countries. The purpose of this article was to begin to identify the evidence of what happened on 9/11/01 that must be accounted for. In doing so, the evidence ruled out a Kinetic Energy Device (bombs, missiles, etc.) as the method of destruction as well as a gravity-driven "collapse."

    *SDI was created by U.S. President Ronald Reagan on March 23, 1983.1 It is thought that SDI may have been first dubbed "Star Wars" by opponent Dr. Carol Rosin, a consultant and former spokeswoman for Wernher von Braun. However, Missile Defense Agency (MDA) historians attribute the term to a Washington Post article published March 24, 1983, the day after the Star Wars speech, which quoted Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy describing the proposal as "reckless Star Wars schemes."2 Before it was named the "Star Wars Program (SDI) in 1983, it was the Advanced Space Programs Development.3



    Introduction Top
    A reported 1400 vehicles were damaged on 9/11. [Reference] These vehicles had peculiar patterns of damage and some were as far away as FDR Drive (about 7 blocks from the WTC, along the East River). Vehicles had missing door handles for example, windows blown out, window frames deformed, melted engine blocks, steel-belted tires with only the steel belts left, and vehicle front ends destroyed with little or no effect on the back end of the vehicles. What could have caused such extraordinary damage? Portions of cars burned while paper nearby did not.


    Figure 64. Peculiar wilting of car doors and deformed window surrounds on FDR Drive.
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    Figure 65. Map of lower Manhattan shows the WTC and FDR Drive a half mile or more apart. Arial view of lower Manhattan. (mouse over to remove arrows and labels)
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    Figure 65a. Notice the dust-covered car in front of the toasted police car. There is also debris on the pavement away from the main part of the road. They probably couldn't clean it very well because the toasted cars were there.
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    Figure 65b. Notice the dust-covered car behind the toasted police car. There is also debris on the pavement away from the main part of the road. So, it appears the roadway has been washed already.
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    Figure 65c. Notice the two dust-covered cars under the bridge. How did the dust fall there? Obviosly there were strong enough air currents to put it there. It's interesting how the drying pavement looks like it does after its been treated for snow and ice. (This is thought to be the entrance ramp to the Brooklyn Bridge from southbound FDR Drive.)
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    Figure 66. Toasted cars in a lot near the WTC.


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    Figure 67. Blistered car on FDR Drive with unburned upholstery and unburned plastic window molding.
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    Figure 68. Front half of a car burned with a shiny, unburned rear end.

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    Figure 69. What burned and dragged these cars and mangled the left rear wheel? Where are the door handles?
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    Figure 70. What was this thing across the street? Was it a car? Was it a van? What caused that line of burn marks on the hood of the car in the foreground on the right? In the left foreground, the remains of a vehicle sit atop a white sedan. Are we looking at the front or the back end? It looks like the front end and if it is, its engine is missing. We can see daylight through the wheel well.
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    Part 2 of Toasted Cars on 9/11 read previous post for part 1

    Peeling Appearance Top
    Many vehicles had their outer surface peeled away like a sardine can. In some instances, clearly there is more than peeling paint was involved. It appears that the sheet metal delaminated as though something caused the material to melt or disintegrate at a certain depth. In some cases it appears that there was more heat damage inside than outside and vice versa.


    Figure 71. What happened to the axles, wheels, and tires? On the doors, it appears that a heavy layer of paint peeled down from the top, yet the paint on the lower part of the doors has not been peeled away. Wow did the wheel get under the rear suspension?
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    Figure 72. The car with the flat tire appears to have "wilted" from heat, from the top down, leaving a peeling appearance on the back end. The SUV on its right is missing all its window glass except for the windshield. The vehicle on the far right has no trace of tires, no door handles, no tail lights, and no windows. Why?
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    Figure 73. The peeling on the side door appears to be delaminated. Sheet metal is not laminated, so why would it do this?

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    Figure 74. Why does this ambulance have melted inside doors? The inside looks to have suffered more heat damage than the outside. What would cause that?
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    Figure 75. Oddly enough, there were also toasted cars at the Pentagon on 9/11.

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    Figure 76. This is the same vehicle shown in the previous figure after the fires were extinguished. Why is the passenger door burned? Note how the hood is curled up.
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    • Other Anomalies Top

    The pictures below document a wide variety of damage to vehicles, including total incineration of vehicles, toasted and disappeared engine blocks, steel-belted tires with no rubber and only steel belts, deformed wheels, missing grills, broken and missing vehicle windows and mirrors, no door handles, wilted doors, and unburned paper next to burning cars.


    Figure firetruck. A badly damaged fire truck. Where did its engine go? The bottom of the tire has turned to goo below a distinct horizontal line in the tire.


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    Figure hazmat. A FDMY Hazmat truck in front of WTC6 on West Street. The remaining upper part of the truck has been peeled and evaporated in areas. The upper part of the cab is gone and the engine block seems to have disappeared. The photo was taken on 9/11 after WTC1 disappeared but before WTC7 collapsed.
    (9/11/01) Source:
    Figure 66(e). Why would the front of this fire truck wilt?
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    Figure 66(h). Is there something attractive about engine blocks? Why not gasoline fuel tanks?
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    Figure 77. The mail truck parked on the left side of the street looks burnt. Why? (Click on photo for enlarged view.) The building on the left is the USPS Federal Building and on the right is WTC7. WTC5 is on fire at the end of the street. Why? If this area is hot enough for spontaneous combustion, why isn't the paper on fire? The cars on the right side of the street are also toasted.
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    Figure flip. Why is this car upside down? A burned out SUV with missing windows and toasted front end is parked in front of WFC2 on West Street but will not be moving under its own power.
    (9/12/01) Source:




    • Lower Manhattan Top

    Figure Map. Arial view of lower Manhattan.
    (mouse over to remove arrows and labels)
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    Figure 66(a). Cars along FDR drive were randomly toasted. These cars are at least 1/2 mile away from the WTC. Note the waviness of the tire tracks. What happened?
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    Figure 66(b). Wheels appear to have steel-belts from the tires still on them.
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    Figure 66(c). Did one car run under the other during the event or were they stacked after the event? The marks in the pavement suggest they were pushed to the side of the road.
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    Figure 66(d). The remains of a steel-belted tire without the rubber. This is a close-up of the figure above.
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    Figure 66(j). The front end of this FDNY car is toasted and mildly deformed, while the door appears undamaged and the window glass is intact. The debris on this car suggests it was near the WTC.
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    Figure 66(f). While the bodies of these toasted vehicles still exist, they've been incinerated. All of the softer materials inside and out have disappeared.
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    Figure 66(k). This Toasted Interior was consumed except for the fire extinguisher.
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    Figure 66(l). The front half of car 2723 is toasted, but check out the new wax job on the back. Notice the missing front door handle and the untouched back door handle.
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    Figure 66(m). What happened to the top half of car 1250? The doors are crinkled up, but the rear tire looks OK.
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    Figure 66(n). There is extensive damage to the front of car 2723, including no door handle on the driver's door. There is an unusual, unburned circular area on the rear door.
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    Part 3 of Toasted Cars



  16. In the debate over toasted cars ignited by this article, some have argued that the wrecked vehicles on FDR drive were damaged at the WTC and were loaded up and transported and dumped on FDR drive for storage. First, there is no evidence that this was done. Second, it makes no sense to load up wrecks, transport them, only to dump them in a busy thoroughfare for storage. These wrecks would have had to be picked up yet again and transported again. If vehicles were truly moved from the WTC to FDR Drive, we wonder why WTC steel beams were not stacked up on FDR drive, as well, if it was such a good storage area. Third, governments may be stupid, but we doubt they could be this inefficient. If reported, it would have been a minor scandal. Fourth, we might be wrong about the facts here, but it looks like the motive for this speculation about shifting wrecks around lower Manhattan is to protect the official story or thermite story or other pet theories. We fail to see any other explanation for such a "forced" interpretation for these photographs. Fifth, marks on the roadway suggest that some of these vehicles were pushed to the side of the roadway until they could be removed. For example, see this figure. This is a more natural explanation for why some of the cars appear to have been moved from where they were damaged rather than all the way from the WTC.



    • Burning Cars Top

    Figure 66(g). This fire seems to be very selective.


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    Figure 66(i). A minivan is consumed by flames. The fire rages inside the vehicle, contained by the remaining windows. The fire appears more intense at the front where the engine is.
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    Figure onfire1. The tires and even the pavement under the car are on fire. The windows appear to be intact with no visible interior fire. There is line of fire along the trunk lid. The right front fender is deformed and has turned white.
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    Figure onfire2. A fire rages, apparently on Vesey Street, sending up thick black smoke. These may be the vehicles that eyewitness Rebecca O. described as she ran past WTC6 during the destruction of WTC2.
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    • Missing Windows Top

    Figure 66(o). Why doesn't the paper burn?

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    Figure 66(p). No window? What happened to the rear-view mirror?
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    Figure 66(q). Why is the rubber window gasket hanging outward?
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    Figure 66(r). Sans windows. (But nice tire!)
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    Figure 66(s). Why is the paper shredded but nothing else apparently disturbed?
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    Figure 66(t). What blew out the windows without damaging the rest of the fire truck?
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    Figure 66(u). The window gasket is on the outside. What blew out the windows? What dislodged the front grill?
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    Figure 66(v). It didn't blow out just the middle portion of the windows; it blew out the windows all the way back to the frame where it was mounted.
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    Figure 66(w). Hosing down the windowless fire truck.
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    Figure 66(x). Final cleaning of the windowless fire truck. Notice its grill is missing.
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    Figure 66(y). What could have caused such extensive damage to this car? Has the passenger side shoulder harness survived? Where's the steering wheel?
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    Figure 66(z). Why is this fire truck burnt? It is missing its front grill, headlights, and related front end bright-work. Where are the tires?
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    Most of the 1400 toasted cars had some, if not all, windows missing. What would cause this? Figure yy, below, shows a silver convertible with its top apparently intact but missing some of its window glass. If the windows were blown out from pressure inside, we would expect the convertible top to have been torn or blown off. This suggests that the windows were not blown out by internal pressure, but may have been shattered by some other mechanism.

    Figure yy. The cars parked in the back suffered extensive damage. The car on the left and on the far right look like they have had their engines eaten. The cars in the foreground experienced less damage, but many windows are missing, however partial and whole windows also remain.
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    Figure 78. Why is this windshield crumpled up? Curiously, the interior of the car does not appear to contain anything that crashed through the windshield.
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    Toasted Parking Lot Top

    Figure toast1. afterWTC2 was destroyed there don't appear to be any fires.
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    Figure toast2a. The cloud from the destruction of WTC1 rolls toward the parking lot.
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    Figure toast2b. Just after WTC1 is destroyed, fires start to burn the vehicles in the large lot, but not the paper. Why?
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    Figure toast3. The vehicle fires increase in strength as sunling begins to emerge through the clearing dust cloud.
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    Figure toast4.The air upwind of the WTC has visably become clearer. The vehicle fires continue increasing and flames can be seen.
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    Figure 5. The air has cleared after the destruction of WTC1. This area would be first to clear as it is upwind of the WTC. The fire in the toasted lot has increased in strength, consistent with it having just been started.
    (9/11/01) Source:

    Figure toast6. Sunlight begins streaming through the intersection.
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    Figure toast7 The intersection and the grasssy lot are covered with paper and dust that did not burn. So, what caused the vehicles to suddenly catch fire?
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    Figure toast8. How did these cars
    catch on fire?
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    Figure street9(a). Gone with the Wind
    At the corner of West and Vesey, looking south toward the WTC complex. WTC1 was just destroyed and the people are cautiously emerging from their hiding places and slowly approaching the site with puzzled looks on their faces. "Where'd it go?" This appears to be about the same time as that of the previous three figures.
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    Figure street9(b). Gone with the Wind
    A view west along Vesey street across the West St. intersection. The toasted parking lot is on the right in the distance. This is after WTC1 was destroyed. Sunlight is visible on WFC3 (on left). Paper in the foreground is not on fire. Why are vehicles in the parking lot on fire at some distance away?
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    Figure toast10. Toasted cars in the lot northwest of the WTC complex. There is little visible rust, so the photo was probably within a day or two of 9/11/01.
    (9/?/01) Source: (WRH)
    Figure toast11. Not much visible rust, yet.
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    Figure toast12. The rust is noticeable
    (9/23/01) Source: (JW cut down from NOAA)

    Figure toast13. A lot more rust
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    Figure toast14. Towing finally begins.
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    Figure toast15. Presumably these cars are finally being towed away from that lot. Those wheels look fairly good which means they probably aren't steel.
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    Figure toast16. The background is near the WTC

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    See also More Toasted Cars
    (on a page not yet in this series).



    Jet Fuel (Kerosene) Top

    Figure 64. Peculiar wilting of car doors and deformed window surrounds on FDR Drive. Kerosene fires cannot do this.
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    Figure 67. These fires do not melt or significantly weaken steel.
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    Figure 67k. Kerosene fires do not melt or significantly weaken steel.
    Source: Dyna-Glo kerosene heater: website
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    **Flashback** 9/11 CONSPIRACY: ALEX JONES PREDICTS 9/11 IN JULY 2001



    William Cooper predicted 9/11 (Cooper was murdered several months after 9/11)

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    10th Anniversary TV Ad - Remember Building 7

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    Alex Marks The 10th Anniversary of 9/11: Sunday Edition

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    On the Sunday edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex marks the tenth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks. He looks back at the attacks that led to the destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and provided a pretext for the global elite to impose a high-tech police and surveillance state as they wage wars of conquest around the world. Alex also looks to an uncertain future as the truth movement grows and the financial elite fight both propaganda and psyop wars against the resistance.

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    Gotta ask, is it Reagan's star wars that lit everything up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Gotta ask, is it Reagan's star wars that lit everything up?
    That one is a tough one to answer conclusively..what is extremely alarming however is how 1,400+ cars were toasted all over lower Manhattan and as far out as the FDR which is 7 blocks away from WTC. I have this photo documented several posts above which Im sure you noticed.

    Whatever they used, I wanna know about it...and it appears to be evidence of directed free-energy technology. You know how you put a paper plate in a microwave it does nothing, but you put metal and its burns right up?
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    LOL ... You "troofers" really are a piece of work.

    "Uhm - it was a bomb that destroyed the WTC ... uhm wait no - it was a military aircraft loaded with fuel ... wait, no - not that ... it was a SUPER SECRET POSITRONIC BEAM developed by the Reagan administration!"

    Keep going - this is entertaining as hell. I love to watch the tin foil fly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    LOL ... You "troofers" really are a piece of work.

    "Uhm - it was a bomb that destroyed the WTC ... uhm wait no - it was a military aircraft loaded with fuel ... wait, no - not that ... it was a SUPER SECRET POSITRONIC BEAM developed by the Reagan administration!"

    Keep going - this is entertaining as hell. I love to watch the tin foil fly!
    Its the firefighters, WTC workers and witnesses who say there were bombs in the lobby including New York City's Emergency Coordinator who was in the basement of Building 7 when bombs went off there too.

    Now, there is a combination things that have happened, but where we stand its impossible to come with complete conclusive answers other than the governments explanation of what happened is 100% debunked.

    Now if you think a plane hitting a building toasted cars 7 blocks away on the FDR feel free to believe that.

    Now, I in post 568-570 I list many scientists, architects, Military personal, government workers, engineers that confirm what the government explained to us about 9/11 is a complete farce.
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    Everyting that needs to be known about 9-11 can be found here ...

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y/news/1227842

    It's the popular mechanics debunking of just about all of the Alex Jones BS "troofer" claims.

    Go figure - turns out it was four civilian airliners that got hijacked by some fanatics working for Osama Bin Laden.

    Who'd a thunk it?

    LOL
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    Remember Building 7 Television Ad

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Its the firefighters, WTC workers and witnesses who say there were bombs in the lobby including New York City's Emergency Coordinator who was in the basement of Building 7 when bombs went off there too.

    Now, there is a combination things that have happened, but where we stand its impossible to come with complete conclusive answers other than the governments explanation of what happened is 100% debunked.

    Now if you think a plane hitting a building toasted cars 7 blocks away on the FDR feel free to believe that.

    Now, I in post 568-570 I list many scientists, architects, Military personal, government workers, engineers that confirm what the government explained to us about 9/11 is a complete farce.
    No Moonrock - you're wrong.

    You've got a few people, who witnessed something in a state of sheer chaos ... and you're basing wild conclusions on their statements.

    Guess what ... there's documented video evidence that these towers were hit by civilian airliners. There was debris found at the site. No - it wasn't a military aircraft ... the people who were on those flights never came home that evening - why? Because some terrorists crashed them into some buildings dude.

    "Steel doesn't Melt" ... bah! Yeah, but at 1100 degrees, it loses pretty much 50% of it's strength and the jet fuel burned at a temperature up to 1500 degrees. At that temp - steel exposed to it might have only 20% of it's structural strength remaining. Hot steel bends ... it cracks surrounding concrete ... please dude - get a grip.

    There was no bomb ... there were no mysterious "energy pulses" (which I'm sure Alex Jones will be linking to the Roswell crash next).

    It was some planes - loaded with Jet fuel - that brought the towers down.

    It's on video if you care to watch it.

    LOL
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    [QUOTE=ax1;3002130]Remember Building 7 Television Ad

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    Posting YouTube videos means nothing dude. Conspiracy tin foil "troofer" blather is all that is.

    Hell, I'm a Southerner and we have better, more plausible, conspiracy theories for how the North started the Civil War than you and your troofer brigade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    No Moonrock - you're wrong.

    You've got a few people, who witnessed something in a state of sheer chaos ... and you're basing wild conclusions on their statements.

    Guess what ... there's documented video evidence that these towers were hit by civilian airliners. There was debris found at the site. No - it wasn't a military aircraft ... the people who were on those flights never came home that evening - why? Because some terrorists crashed them into some buildings dude.

    "Steel doesn't Melt" ... bah! Yeah, but at 1100 degrees, it loses pretty much 50% of it's strength and the jet fuel burned at a temperature up to 1500 degrees. At that temp - steel exposed to it might have only 20% of it's structural strength remaining. Hot steel bends ... it cracks surrounding concrete ... please dude - get a grip.

    There was no bomb ... there were no mysterious "energy pulses" (which I'm sure Alex Jones will be linking to the Roswell crash next).

    It was some planes - loaded with Jet fuel - that brought the towers down.

    It's on video if you care to watch it.

    LOL

    Building 7 fell and it was not hit a plane, its the only steel structure building in history that fell due to office fires and I have 1,500+ architects and engineers who say its impossible.


    9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Trailer



    MBarry Jennings' New York City's Emergency Coordinator on 9/11 account of WTC 7 explosions

    Also, what caused the bombs in the basement of building 7 hours before WTC 1 and 2 collapsed? This isnt covered in Popular Mechanics

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Building 7 fell and it was not hit a plane, its the only steel structure building that fell due to office fires and I have 1,500+ architects and engineers who say its impossible.


    9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Trailer


    MBarry Jennings' New York City's Emergency Coordinator on 9/11 account of WTC 7 explosions

    Also, what caused the bombs in the basement of building 7 hours before WTC 1 and 2 collapsed? This isnt covered in Popular Mechanics
    No, sorry - but WTC 7 WAS hit and structurally compromised by falling debris ... you, and your Alex Jones troofers are WRONG.

    And sorry - but no bomb went off in the basement of Building 7 either - thanks for playing.

    Popular Mechanics covers exactly why WTC 7 fell ...


    According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

    There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

    Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

    WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors—along with the building's unusual construction—were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.



    Read more: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Popular Mechanics
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    You know - the "brilliant" thing about "troofers" is how their argument keeps shifting around.

    It's all based on the premise that ... "Hey, you can't prove to me 100 percent that OBL and his hackeys took down the WTC alone - so I get to conclude that George W. Bush did it in a huge conspiracy that would have taken 100 plus people to carry out - even though I can't produce a single one of those conspirators."

    LOL - what kind of idiotic logic is that.

    To further demonstrate their logical ignorance - they claim that somehow the government or "ominous forces" blew up bulding 7 but ... why? Why would any conspirators wait seven hours after they had just knocked down the twin towers and hit the pentagon to blow up something as insignificant as building 7?

    They don't have an answer for that. The fact is - if 9-11 was an "inside job" ... why hit both of the Towers - PLUS the pentagon. Wouldn't knocking ONE tower out be enough to generate the effect the conspirators were looking to create?

    RULE #1 of Conspiracies - ALWAYS LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN A CONSPIRACY.

    The more people involved in a conspiracy - the more likely it'll be uncovered. So the "troofers" want you to believe that the Conspiracy planners decided to increase the number of "conspirators" by a factor of FIVE OR SIX (Four planes remember - plus whoever put "bombs" in the basements of the WTC's". LOL

    When any conspiracy could have actually accomplished the desired effect by limiting the number of conspirators and simply taking out ONE TOWER.

    So ... you ask these troofers to throw out theories - or their explanation for how it all happened, and they tell you 100 different stories ranging from .... "Hey no, it was really military aircraft that did it" to "Hey no - there were bombs in the basement" to "It was Reagan's super sekret pulse ray gun! Don't you get it? REA-GAN ... RAY-GUN?!"

    LOL

    Look - if you're going to ignore the actual physical evidence that conclusively proves that 9-11 was carried out by OBL and his "merry men" ... ALONE ...

    Then, at least humor us with YOUR OWN theories on how the towers came down. I think that's fair.

    But - you won't do that - because your explanations defy logic and, when placed side-by-side with the factual events - you look like laughing stocks.
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    I do always like the hologram stories. I have 2 very close friends that were there and saw the planes fairly close, and they were in fact planes.

    The only conspiracy to me is how much was known about the pending attack and was it allowed to happen? Kinda like pearl harbor imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    The only conspiracy to me is how much was known about the pending attack and was it allowed to happen? Kinda like pearl harbor imo
    Id like to know that too...

    Speaking of terrorism, wikileaks had leaked out the Army's own manual on staging terrorism and false flag operations

    The document, which is official US Special Forces policy, directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control, restrictions on labor unions & political parties, suspending habeas corpus, warrantless searches, detainment without charge, bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations, concealing human rights abuses from journalists, and extensive use of "psychological operations" (propaganda) to make these and other "population & resource control" measures palatable.

    US Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Operations, FM 3-05.202, Feb 2007


    http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/US...202,_Feb_2007/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Id like to know that too...

    Speaking of terrorism, wikileaks had leaked out the Army's own manual on staging terrorism and false flag operations

    The document, which is official US Special Forces policy, directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control, restrictions on labor unions & political parties, suspending habeas corpus, warrantless searches, detainment without charge, bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations, concealing human rights abuses from journalists, and extensive use of "psychological operations" (propaganda) to make these and other "population & resource control" measures palatable.

    US Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Operations, FM 3-05.202, Feb 2007




    http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/US...202,_Feb_2007/
    Here is the thing for me, you take info like this and Operation Northwoods and you wonder if it is possible. I think at the end of the day it is more like I stated above . How much was known and when. The rest of this stuff (lasers, holograms, etc..) are just foolish and becoming a little too Star Treky for me.

    If the government (or whomever) truly wanted to do this, they wouldnt need all of that. They would keep it simple imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Here is the thing for me, you take info like this and Operation Northwoods and you wonder if it is possible. I think at the end of the day it is more like I stated above . How much was known and when. The rest of this stuff (lasers, holograms, etc..) are just foolish and becoming a little too Star Treky for me.

    If the government (or whomever) truly wanted to do this, they wouldnt need all of that. They would keep it simple imo.
    Just a personal question for you, and I respect your skepticism.... In regards to building 7.... the fact that it fell in its own footprint and at free-fall speed at least bring suspicions for you? Or do you believe the official NIST report that it was brought down due to office fires?
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    I do wonder why it fell. As I wonder if the damage from debris was so severe. Sadly that is not something we will ever know.
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    Building 7 Implosion: The Smoking Gun of 9/11

    Richard Gage, AIA, Gregg Roberts, and David Chandler
    September 3, 2010

    Shortly after the explosive destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, a third high-rise building was destroyed. It wasn’t hit by an airplane. The characteristic signs of controlled demolition were everywhere.
    Although it received little media attention at the time, the third-worst structural building failure in modern history occurred on September 11, 2001. World Trade Center (WTC) Building 7 was a 47-story, steel-framed, fire-protected, high-rise office building located about a football field’s length from the WTC North Tower. Unlike its two taller cousins, WTC 7 was never hit by an aircraft, yet it fell to the ground suddenly, displaying the classic signatures of explosive controlled demolition.

    9/11: Building WTC7 Compilation





    A careful examination of this evidence shows why more than 1,200 architects and engineers are demanding a new and open investigation into all the crimes of 9/11, starting with this aspect, which is most obviously inconsistent with the official account. The evidence discussed in this article was ignored, mishandled, and/or covered up by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the federal agency last tasked with explaining the unprecedented destruction of the World Trade Center high-rises.
    A mysterious catastrophe
    Although Building 7 was never hit by an airplane and had only isolated pockets of fires on about 10 floors, it suddenly imploded – coming down neatly, symmetrically, and completely at 5:20 p.m. The official story, according to NIST, is that WTC 7 collapsed due to “normal office fires” which created a “new phenomenon” in high-rise fires: destruction due to thermal expansion of steel beam, leading to the progressive collapse of nine floors. This ultimately caused the failure of column #79 – which was followed within seconds by all the rest.

    Could all 24 core columns have been “removed” within a fraction of a second of each other, on each floor successively, by fire alone?
    Some observers had speculated that stores of diesel fuel inside the building might have produced exceptionally intense fires leading to the unusual collapse. However, NIST has officially acknowledged that diesel fuel was not involved. NIST also ultimately concluded that the impact of debris from the North Tower was not a significant contributor to the collapse, although it was blamed for starting the fires. What NIST’s top engineers failed to explain – and often even to acknowledge –in their Final Report were the many features of the building’s destruction that are normally seen only in explosive controlled demolitions.
    Evidence for Controlled Demolition
    After an embarrassing series of questions from AE911Truth petition signers, NIST’s top engineers ultimately acknowledged some of the key facts surrounding the building’s destruction. However, NIST still refuses to seriously examine the hypothesis of explosive demolition, even though demolition is the only thing that has ever caused structural failure and exhibited the characteristics of Building 7’s destruction. WTC 7’s failure was indistinguishable from a classic controlled implosion.
    Let’s consider the evidence:
    Speed of Collapse
    As documented by video footage, Building 7 began its collapse at free-fall acceleration for over 2 seconds over a distance of more than 100 feet – equal to at least eight stories.

    WTC 7 free-falls through 40,000 tons of structural steel
    NIST initially denied Building 7’s free-fall in its Draft Report released in August 2008. In the technical briefing that followed, NIST’s lead investigator, Dr. Shyam Sunder explained, “A free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.” He claimed that WTC 7 took 40 percent longer than “free-fall time” to collapse, “and that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case. And you had a sequence of structural failures that had to take place and everything was not instantaneous.”
    However, physics instructor David Chandler had used the existing network television videos to carefully measure and document the acceleration of the building during its fall. His published analysis A had shown conclusively that a significant period of free-fall was an indisputable fact. He publicly challenged NIST’s claims at the technical briefing. Along with several others, he filed formal requests for corrections during the public-response period.

    WTC7 in Freefall: No Longer Controversial





    Having been cornered, NIST reversed its initial denial of free-fall in its Final Report. However, it couched its revised position in deceptive language, and failed to explain how freefall could be compatible with its fire-induced-progressive-collapse theory. For the observed straight-down collapse to happen, an immense network of heavy steel columns and beams would have had to be forcibly removed and more than 400 structural-steel connections would have had to fail every second, evenly, all across each of the eight floors involved. These failures had to occur ahead of the collapsing section – and could not be caused by it – because a freefalling object cannot exert force on anything in its path without slowing its own fall.

    WTC 7: In freefall for eight stories
    Yet NIST’s admission of the fact of freefall, together with Sunder’s previous acknowledgment of the simple meaning of that fact, led to no reconsideration of its fire-induced, single-column-initiated, progressive-collapse hypothesis. Moreover, in what looks like an attempt to bury the discussion, its change of stance on the question of freefall was omitted from the list of changes accompanying its Final Report.
    Symmetry of Collapse

    The overall building mass fell uniformly and with almost perfect symmetry through what should have been the path of greatest resistance – some 40,000 tons of structural steel. According to structural engineer Kamal Obeid, this requires a precisely-timed, patterned removal of critical steel columns – which office fires, a gradual organic process, simply cannot achieve.
    Only a carefully engineered series of explosions (or incendiaries) could cause a steel-framed skyscraper to collapse in on itself – and land mostly within its own footprint. After all, demolition companies are paid large sums to accomplish this extremely difficult feat, and only a few can do it with tall buildings. Also, the destruction was complete. This building had been built especially strong so that alternate floors could have been removed in case a tenant needed an extra-tall space. Yet, its forty-seven stories were reduced, in less than seven seconds, to about four stories of debris – having fallen like a house of cards – with the almost complete dismemberment of the braced and welded moment-resisting (bend-resistant) frames. Again, this is something fire, could not have, and has never, achieved.
    NIST Withheld Evidence
    Had officials taken all the relevant evidence into account and provided a superficially coherent explanation, it would at least make sense to entertain the idea that: (1) fire might have acted in ways that it had never acted before, (2) modern structural steel might have acted in ways that it had never acted before, and (3) that this all just happened to occur on a day when terrorists did something they had never done before. Yet, officials have not taken all the relevant evidence into account and they have not provided even a superficially coherent explanation. What is the missing evidence?
    Evidence of Thermitic Incendiaries
    Prior to the NIST investigation, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), had conducted a preliminary, cursory, underfunded investigation and produced a Building Performance Assessment Report. In Appendix C of that report, FEMA described its analysis of two steel samples, one thought to be Building 7 and the other from Tower 1 or 2. The analysis of the WTC 7 sample showed “evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including rapid oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting….”
    “A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.”… “No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.” The New York Times called this “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.” What did NIST say about this mystery described by FEMA? Nothing – there was no mention of this crucial report at all.
    Neither jet fuel nor office fires can reach anywhere close to steel’s melting point, much less its evaporation point, even if those critical temperatures had been lowered by the presence of free sulfur. So what could have caused this “high temperature corrosion attack?”
    Thermite is a mixture of powdered iron oxide and elemental aluminum which, when ignited, reacts violently at 4,000-4,500° Fahrenheit (F) – well above iron’s melting point of 2,800° F, producing aluminum oxide and molten iron. When free sulfur is added to the mixture, the iron melts at a lower temperature. Thermite with sulfur added is called thermate. Structural steel in contact with ignited thermate also melts at a lower temperature. Contrary to what NIST and others have claimed, the sulfur could not have come from gypsum wallboard, where it is an inert, chemically “locked” ingredient.

    1. Extreme Hot Spots

    The United States Geological Survey (USGS) used NASA thermal imaging of the WTC rubble pile surface to document hot spots with extreme temperatures of almost 1,400° F. These temperatures are hotter than most office fires produce, and there were no fires on the surface of the WTC 7 pile following the collapses.
    The detected surface temperatures indicate much higher temperatures deeper within the pile. These extreme temperatures persisted for several weeks, despite the continuous spraying of millions of gallons of water onto Ground Zero – so much water that one worker described the result as “a giant lake.” Thermite contains its own source of oxygen and burns just as well under water.
    Summary
    The collapse of WTC Building 7 represents one of the worst structural failures in modern history. The official story suggests that fires weakened the structures, resulting in a gravitational collapse. The evidence, obvious to so many researchers but omitted from NIST’s Final Report, supports a very different conclusion – one that points squarely to explosive controlled demolition.
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    If WTC 7 was intentionally brought down, then clearly it becomes a ‘smoking gun” that must be investigated. Who were the terrorists that had access to this highly secure building, occupied in part by the CIA, FBI, Dept of Defense, IRS, SEC, and others, and the technology required to prepare it for demolition? The 1,200 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth present the scientific forensic data, evidence, and eyewitness and video testimony. We do not speculate as to who might have been responsible or how they have, so far, gotten away with the crime of the century. The destruction of the Twin Towers must be re-evaluated as well in light of the WTC 7 revelation. We therefore call for an unimpeachable investigation with subpoena power into the destruction of all three WTC skyscrapers. We ask you to do your part as a citizen to join us in making it happen. Find out how you can help at AE911Truth.org.
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    Ron Paul's weekly address - skip video for full transcript

    Foreign Occupation Leads to More Terror



    Ten years ago shocking and horrific acts of terrorism were carried out on US soil, taking over 3,000 innocent American lives. Without a doubt, this action demanded retaliation and retribution. However, much has been done in the name of protecting the American people from terrorism that has reduced our prosperity and liberty and even made us less safe. This is ironic and sad, considering that the oft-repeated line concerning the reasoning behind the attacks is that they hate us for who we are – a free, prosperous people – and that we must not under any circumstances allow the terrorists to win.

    Though it is hard for many to believe, honest studies show that the real motivation behind the September 11 attacks and the vast majority of other instances of suicide terrorism is not that our enemies are bothered by our way of life. Neither is it our religion, or our wealth. Rather, it is primarily occupation. If you were to imagine for a moment how you would feel if another country forcibly occupied the United States, had military bases and armed soldiers present in our hometowns, you might begin to understand why foreign occupation upsets people so much. Robert Pape has extensively researched this issue and goes in depth in his book “Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It”. In fact, of 2,200 incidents of suicide attacks he has studied worldwide since 1980, 95% were in response to foreign occupation.

    Pape notes that before our invasion of Iraq, only about 10% of suicide terrorism was aimed at Americans or American interests. Since, then however, not only is suicide terrorism greatly on the rise, but 91% of it is now directed at us.

    Yes, the attacks of 9/11 deserved a response. But the manner in which we responded has allowed radicals in the Muslim world to advance a very threatening narrative about us and our motivation in occupying their lands. Osama bin Laden referred to us as “crusaders” with a religious agenda to convert Muslims, westernize their culture and take control of their resources. If we had targeted our response to only the thugs and criminals who attacked us, and refrained from invading countries that had nothing to do with it, this characterization would seem less plausible to the desperate and displaced. Blaming Islam alone is grossly misleading.

    Instead, we chose a course of action that led to the further loss of 8,000 American lives, left 40,000 wounded and has hundreds of thousands seeking help at the Veterans Administration. We are three to four trillion dollars poorer. Our military is spread dangerously thin around the globe, at the expense of protection here at home. Not only that, but we have allowed our freedoms to be greatly threatened and undermined from within. The Patriot Act, warrantless searches and wiretapping, abuse of habeus corpus, useless and humiliating searches at airports are just a few examples of how we’ve allowed the terrorists to “win” by making our country less free.

    Suicide terrorism did not exist in Iraq before we got there. Now it does. There are no known instances of Iranians committing suicide terrorism. If we invade and occupy Iran, expect that to change, too.

    Sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to ask the right questions and face the truth. When a slick politician comes along and gives a much more soothing, self-congratulating version of events, it is very tempting to simply believe what we would like to hear. But listening to lies does not make us safer, even though it might make us feel better about ourselves.

    The truth is that ending these misguided wars and occupations will make us safer, more prosperous and more free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Just a personal question for you, and I respect your skepticism.... In regards to building 7.... the fact that it fell in its own footprint and at free-fall speed at least bring suspicions for you? Or do you believe the official NIST report that it was brought down due to office fires?
    Please - you have a right to your own opinion - no matter how ill informed, illogical, and idiotic it may be.

    But you DO NOT have a right to your own facts.

    Fact - WTC-7 was hit by falling debris when the twin towers collapsed.

    Fact - A large chunk of the face of one side of WTC-7 was "scooped out" by this falling debris.

    Fact - Fires within the building, which burned for seven hours after the twin towers fell, further compromised the structural integrity of WTC-7

    Fact - WTC-7 collapsed - and it's perfectly explainable (see Popular Mechanics).

    You still CANNOT explain why WTC-7 was so important to your little conspiracy theory. If GWB coordinated all this - as you and your Alex Jones lackys insist - why did he wait seven hours after the towers fell to detonate WTC-7?

    You still CANNOT explain why any conspiracy would have quadrupled the number of conspirators by taking out - not just one WTC Tower - but both - along with the Pentagon and fourth target. If the goal was to declare war "for oil" - wouldn't that goal have been met by simply taking out one tower? If I want to start a war with the middle east - why would I say ... "Yeah - let's have five times as many people KNOW about this plan by taking out both towers, the pentagon, and something else!"

    LOL.

    And as far as your "experts" you have signed petitions ... LMFAO! You DO realize that popular scientific consensus at one time held that the earth was flat? You do realize that popular scientific consensus says the earth is warming due to man-made CO2 - but NASA satellite data recently released completely disputes that?

    You can have one idiot sign a petition - and it's just as valid as having 1,500 idiots sign it.

    Which isn't very valid.
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    Popular Mechanics is owned my war profiteer Hearst Corporation. They have a political agenda to stay in war and financially benefit.

    Popular Mechanics wont even be open to discuss and debate with thousands of Architects, Engineers, and Scientists who disagree with their Popular Mechanic's theories...that there is not science, thats just sticking to a bias agenda to protect the Heart Corporation's financial interests.

    Your welcome to post their story, but when it comes down to it they are PM are corrupt and wont even debate.
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