Marijuana & Alcohol

[pjorstad]

Im a little confused?? Caffeinne and alchol are bad for you mixed together??? Or what exactly is not healthy???



Not that ill touch alchol, i hate it anyways. I believe marijuana as long as not done every day or every other day will not hurt your progress and will not hurt testosterone unlike alchol which will hurt protein syntehsis, make you really fat, and decrease testosterone for many days

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by pjorstad
make you really fat

Make you really fat? You're kiding right?

and decrease testosterone for many days

You sure about this one??? Might want to re-think it....

[jweave23]

Originally posted by pjorstad
Not that ill touch alchol, i hate it anyways. I believe marijuana as long as not done every day or every other day will not hurt your progress and will not hurt testosterone unlike alchol which will hurt protein syntehsis, make you really fat, and decrease testosterone for many days

 

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[pjorstad]

Ive read about studies on how it stops fat burning until the alchol leaves the system. ALchol also has calories even when its sugar free. ALso ive "heard" haven't read on it yet that testerone levels are dropped. I know that protein synthesis is also halted until alchol leaves the system.

There was a marijuana thread in the supplements section of bb.com and a guy wrote how testosterone was marginally impacted and that over time it wasn't impacted at all. Of course marijuana doesn't have calories either or halt protein synthesis and fat oxidation like alchol does.

Alchol is a poison simply put, and i don't see why in the hell anyone would drink alchol AT ALL if your gonna use ph's or steroids any time in the future.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by pjorstad
Ive read about studies on how it stops fat burning until the alchol leaves the system. ALchol also has calories even when its sugar free. ALso ive "heard" haven't read on it yet that testerone levels are dropped. I know that protein synthesis is also halted until alchol leaves the system.

Yes, 7 calories per gram. Empty calories. A avergaem ale can handle a 6 pack before the liver starts to kick into overdrive. I dont know where you "heard" but unless you can provide a scientific resource about the decline in testosterone during alcohol consumption, Im going to ask that you not spread this "rumor" around the board. Protein synthesis is halted or slowed down? If it were halted, one might begin to lose muscle mass rapidly. Dont think thats the case.

Alchol is a poison simply put, and i don't see why in the hell anyone would drink alchol AT ALL if your gonna use ph's or steroids any time in the future.

And I dont see why you would smoke pot on one either, neat how this world works huh? Everyone has their own opinion.

[Dwight Schrute]

Originally posted by pjorstad
Ive read about studies on how it stops fat burning until the alchol leaves the system. ALchol also has calories even when its sugar free. ALso ive "heard" haven't read on it yet that testerone levels are dropped. I know that protein synthesis is also halted until alchol leaves the system.

There was a marijuana thread in the supplements section of bb.com and a guy wrote how testosterone was marginally impacted and that over time it wasn't impacted at all. Of course marijuana doesn't have calories either or halt protein synthesis and fat oxidation like alchol does.

Alchol is a poison simply put, and i don't see why in the hell anyone would drink alchol AT ALL if your gonna use ph's or steroids any time in the future.

Alcohol does stop fat being used for a fuel source until it leaves the system. Test does drop, estrogen does rise during this time. Protein systheis doens't stop, just decreases.

Marijuana I'm not too sure about....Never really researched it since I don't use.

Nobody can live a perfect life, especially when it comes to nutrition. Occasional drinking has been shown to have positive effects. Holding someone to those standards of not drinking at all, is impossible.

[pjorstad]

Your right bobo, it is nearly impossible but hey im 21 and have no strong desire to buy alchol. Guess what??? I don't smoke pot either right now and haven't ina long time but i wouldn't really hesistate either as it increases appetite and it relieves stress and allows you to sleep better by relaxing you before bed. Im not saying do it every night but it definitely has its uses. The biggest problem is doing it too often and you might lose motivation for bodybuilding thats the biggest concern.

[Dwight Schrute]

Originally posted by pjorstad
Im not saying do it every night but it definitely has its uses.

But so does alcohol, and nicotine, etc.....

[pjorstad]

Simply put bobo given the choice between marijuana and alchol without a doubt hands down marijuana is better physiologically and even mentally(unless its done really frequently then chances are its gonna kill your motivation unlikealchol which won't probably unless your drunk most of the day every day)

[Matthew D]

Actually both are posions... and both have some value but doesn't mean that one is better than the other..

[Dwight Schrute]

Originally posted by pjorstad
Simply put bobo given the choice between marijuana and alchol without a doubt hands down marijuana is better physiologically and even mentally(unless its done really frequently then chances are its gonna kill your motivation unlikealchol which won't probably unless your drunk most of the day every day)

Show me. Prove it. And I don't want opinion...I want studies.

[pjorstad]

There was a marijuan thread in the supplements section of bodybuilding.com forum, your probably gonna have to dig for it a few days back as it hasn't been to the top i believe in a few days but a guy named sphongled who is very smart typed up some information on marijuana and provided references. Simply put marijuana without a doubt is 100 times better. I don't see how something that relaxes you, increases appetite, relieves stress, doesn't hurt fat oxidation, or protein synthesis or testosterone production signficantly is worse then alchol which will put on fat due to decreasing oxidation, testosterone, and the empty calories it provides. The only thing it does do is relieve stress it doesn't even increase appetite. Hence marijuana has multiple pro's and pretty much only one con(don't doit every day or youll lose motivation) yet alchol has many cons(hangover, loss of appetite, lowered testosterone, lowered protein synthesis, empty claories, lowered fat oxidation)

[jweave23]

We should take this to another thread, if debating marijuana/alcohol and it's effects are the point here. Here is one interesting study done in 1972, commisioned by Richard Nixon to address the growing marijuana epidemic. The science is IMO still valid, the demography is not, obviously. Anything regarding social policy should be ignored due to the age, but some decent studies done here. It is in zippable format also:

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/.../nc/ncmenu.htm

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by pjorstad
Simply put marijuana without a doubt is 100 times better.

Gonna need a study for that.

I don't see how something that relaxes you, increases appetite, relieves stress, doesn't hurt fat oxidation, or protein synthesis or testosterone production signficantly is worse then alchol

And if you're implying alcohol is (which you are) gonna need another study.

(hangover, loss of appetite, lowered testosterone, lowered protein synthesis, empty claories, lowered fat oxidation)

You sure? Whered you get this info? Post it.

[jweave23]

Not a great one, but here's another:

<A href="]ttp://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3475#top"><B>Myth: Marijuana Causes Sterility and Lowers Testosterone</B>

Government experts concede that pot has no permanent effect on the male or female reproductive systems.1 A few studies have suggested that heavy marijuana use may have a reversible, suppressive effect on male testicular function.2 A recent study by Dr. Robert Block has refuted earlier research suggesting that pot lowers testosterone or other sex hormones in men or women.3 In contrast, heavy alcohol drinking is known to lower testosterone levels and cause impotence. A couple of lab studies indicated that very heavy marijuana smoking might lower sperm counts. However, surveys of chronic smokers have turned up no indication of infertility or other abnormalities.

Less is known about the effects of cannabis on human females. Some animal studies suggest that pot might temporarily lower fertility or increase the risk of fetal loss, but this evidence is of dubious relevance to humans.4 One human study suggested that pot may mildly disrupt ovulation. It is possible that adolescents are peculiarly vulnerable to hormonal disruptions from pot. However, not a single case of impaired fertility has ever been observed in humans of either sex.

Footnotes

1. Dr. Christine Hartel, loc. cit.

2. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES Report, pp. 94-9.

3. Dr. Robert Block in Drug and Alcohol Dependence 28: 121-8 (1991).

4. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES Report, p. 97-8

[jweave23]

I can post studies all day PJ, but you need to back up your statements, if you're going to make them.

[YellowJacket]

You *******s are totally blowing my Sugar Free Red Bull thread

[jweave23]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
You *******s are totally blowing my Sugar Free Red Bull thread

sorry, will move it if PJ wants to continue this. But here's one more :

Myth: Marijuana Damages the Immune System

A variety of studies indicate that THC and other cannabinoids may exercise mild, reversible immuno-suppressive effects by inhibiting the activity of immune system cells know as lymphocytes (T- and B-cells) and macrophages. It is dubious whether these effects are of import to human health, since they are based mainly on theoretical laboratory and animal studies. According to a review by Dr. Leo Hollister:1 "The evidence [on immune suppression] has been contradictory and is more supportive of some degree of immunosuppression only when one considers in vitro studies. These have been seriously flawed by the very high concentrations of drug used to produce immunosuppression. The closer that experimental studies have been to actual clinical situations, the less compelling has been the evidence."

The immune suppression issue was first raised in research by the notorious cannabophobe Dr. Gabriel Nahas, but a flurry of research by the Reagan administration failed to find anything alarming. The recent discovery of a cannabinoid receptor inside rat spleens, where immune cells reside, raises the likelihood that cannabinoids do exert some sort of influence on the immune system.2 It has even been suggested that these effects might be beneficial for patients with auto-immune diseases such as multiple sclerosis. Nevertheless, not a single case of marijuana-induced immune deficiency has ever been clinically or epidemiologically detected in humans.

One exception is the lungs, where chronic pots smokers have been shown to suffer damage to the immune cells known as alveolar macrophages and other defense mechanisms.3 It is unclear how much of this damage is due to THC, as opposed to all of the other toxins that occur in smoke , many of which can be filtered out by waterpipes and other devices.4

There is no reason to think marijuana is dangerous to AIDS patients. On the contrary, many AIDS patients report that marijuana helps avert the deadly "wasting syndrome" by stimulating appetite and reducing nausea. Cannabinoids do not actually damage the T-cells, which are depleted in HIV patients: one study even found that marijuana exposure increased T-cell counts in subjects (not AIDS patients) whose T-cell counts had been low.5 Epidemiological studies have found no relation between use of marijuana or other drugs and development of AIDS.6

Footnotes

1. Dr. Leo Hollister, "Marijuana and Immunity," Journal of Psychoactive Drugs 20(1): 3-8 (Jan/Mar 1988).


2. Sean Munro, Kerrie Thomas and Muna Abu-Shaar, "Molecular characterization of a peripheral receptor for cannabinoids," Nature 365:61-5 (Sept. 2, 1993); Leslie Iversen, "Medical Uses of Marijuana?", ibid. pp. 12-3.

3. D. Tashkin, "Is Frequent Marijuana Smoking Hazardous To Health,?" op. cit.

4. Nicholas Cozzi, ibid.

5. Donald Tashkin et al., "Cannabis 1977," Ann. Intern. Med. 89:539-49 (1978).

6. Richard A Kaslow et al, "No Evidence for a Role of Alcohol or Other Psychoactive Drugs in Accelerating Immunodeficiency in HIV-1-Positive Individuals," JAMA 261:3424-9 (June 16, 1989).

[WYD02]

In fact, Pjorstad is right on most is his assertions about both alcohol and marijuana.&nbsp; I've read the studies and will post them as soon as I can find it.&nbsp;

WYD

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by whosyourdaddy02
In fact, Pjorstad is right on most is his assertions about both alcohol and marijuana.&nbsp; I've read the studies and will post them as soon as I can find it.&nbsp;

WYD

Not really. Some doses of alcohol actually boost testosterone.