Marijuana & Alcohol

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  1. I must send an apology goes out to Anxed, sorry brother, got a little to emotional on this on, in no way were the psycho statements meant for you.... you have my respect man, if you were offended, I apologize, wasnt the intentions.


  2. I failed to see the irony in this, as Im not a steriods user or pot smoker. If I were to do steriods, once again, there is no comparison.


    Because your saying illegality and using illegal substances is irresponsible, hence using illegal anabolics you MUST feel the same way or else your logic falls apart like jay cutler forgetting clomid after a heavy cycle.
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  3. Originally posted by pjorstad

    Because your saying illegality and using illegal substances is irresponsible, hence using illegal anabolics you MUST feel the same way or else your logic falls apart like jay cutler forgetting clomid after a heavy cycle.
    The cute analogies are terrible....third I dont condone the use of any illicit drugs, AAS, Weed, etc. If I choose to use AAS, thats my own personal choice, I'll say it again slow for you....

    If you want to drink, smoke pot, use AAS, **** 16 year old girls, do what you gotta do, your personal life is none of my business, jsut be careful when you do it and DONT profess it's use in a bodybuilding atmoshere, because it serves NO purpose.

  4. If you want to drink, smoke pot, use AAS, **** 16 year old girls, do what you gotta do, your personal life is none of my business, jsut be careful when you do it and DONT profess it's use in a bodybuilding atmoshere, because it serves NO purpose.

    So as it stands now you can quoted as being anti-steroid and believing it serves no purpose in bodybuilding?? or was that just grouped in their and not part of the conclusion?

  5. Well not this is way off topic, but sense we're talking about bodybuilding and controlled drugs again, I'll say this....

    Anabolic Steriods Serve their purpose in bodybuilding. Pot doesnt (I shouldnt have to explain this, but I will) anabolic steriods give you the ability to achieve gains you normally wouldnt or that would normally take you an extreme amount of time......marijuana, well it makes you hungry I guess
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  6. Yj i probably stand in agreement with you in a way. I tend to agree that weed and alchohol are probably best not taken but my main driving force is the lesser of two evils for bodybuilding. The problem is i haven't smoked weed on a regular basis since ive got into weight training so its hard for me to say if it will necessarily hurt you. All my experience tells me it has positive points if used with caution in mind[ knowing that it may cause a marked decrease in motivation{one can argue that is a question of willpower though} ]


    Sorry i had to do the dantebattista effect there

  7. marijuana, well it makes you hungry I guess

    heh. Seriously for an ectomorph with no hunger that is a very SERIOUS PRO for me. Besides as i mentioned it can help with insomnia and it helps with stress. Now it can make you stressed out not being on it but maybe not do it everyday and youll be ok and won't have to wrry about severe mental withdrawls. Remember less stress = less cortisol = more muscle which is critical for a hardgainer like me.

  8. Originally posted by pjorstad



    heh. Seriously for an ectomorph with no hunger that is a very SERIOUS PRO for me.
    But this is where you slip up. Ectomorph classification has nothing to do with being hungry, etc. Its a the body type, frame size, and common characteristics are inability to gain weight because of an increased metabolism. I know plenty of ecto's that eat probably double that I do, they jsut cant keep weight becuase its being metabolized seemingly instantly. So pot for an ecto is laughable really, its not that they're not hungry its that when they eat, it being processed very quickly.



    Besides as i mentioned it can help with insomnia
    So can GHB. Point is, you can sleep, smoke some pot, wow. Insomnia is a chronic ailment, usually night a one night deal, so do you advocate smoking pot everytnight until its gone? No, I'd hope not. Insomnia is one of the more weaker arguments as to the benefits of marijuana.


    and it helps with stress.
    So does yoga. If you deal with stress by drinking or smoking pot, you emphasize the common stereotype perfectly, so this falls right into my arugments. There are better ways to deal with stress, run, walk, get a hobby, smoking pot isnt an ideal alternative.


    Remember less stress = less cortisol = more muscle which is critical for a hardgainer like me.
    Gonna pretend I didnt read this one

    Orange juice also has been shown to suppress cortisol. Smoke a blunt, drink a glass of orange juice, not a hard decision if you value your freedom and over all health.

  9. But this is where you slip up. Ectomorph classification has nothing to do with being hungry, etc. Its a the body type, frame size, and common characteristics are inability to gain weight because of an increased metabolism. I know plenty of ecto's that eat probably double that I do, they jsut cant keep weight becuase its being metabolized seemingly instantly. So pot for an ecto is laughable really, its not that they're not hungry its that when they eat, it being processed very quickly.

    Thats nice but in order for a ecto to gain he has to have an appetite(something i do not have)! Weed will surely do this.

    Sorry but for me this pro alone is PLENTY even if there wasn't any others.




    Your right though about the insomnia part. Smoking it every night would happen VERY fast if you smoke it before bed and in fact when you stop it will lead to severe insomnia(I experienced this actually) so i retract what i say there

  10. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    I must send an apology goes out to Anxed, sorry brother, got a little to emotional on this on, in no way were the psycho statements meant for you.... you have my respect man, if you were offended, I apologize, wasnt the intentions.
     

    sent you a PM... no worries, man... I totally understand... but I will respectfully bow out of this thread...

  11. Originally posted by Anxed


     

    sent you a PM... no worries, man... I totally understand... but I will respectfully bow out of this thread...
    And I will follow your lead and do the same....

  12. Yj, I just wanted to add that I agree with everything you said on this thread. I drank booze for years, and smoked pot, did organic mescalin, qualudes and speed. But then I grew up, and realized how much more productive my life was without all that crap, and never looked back. Haven't even had a beer in over 10 years. You have my greatest respect for your strong stand on these issues.
  13. Cool


    If anyone would like, I took part in a research experiment done on rats that explains drug addiction (mainly Heroine and Cocaine) and I could type up a bunch of stuff on that if you think it's relevant.

  14. Originally posted by pjorstad

    Thats nice but in order for a ecto to gain he has to have an appetite(something i do not have)! Weed will surely do this.

    Sorry but for me this pro alone is PLENTY even if there wasn't any others.

    Your right though about the insomnia part. Smoking it every night would happen VERY fast if you smoke it before bed and in fact when you stop it will lead to severe insomnia(I experienced this actually) so i retract what i say there
    So you're saying smoking weed as a sleep aid for insomnia symptoms is bad because of the potential frequency, but smoking in attempt to gain appetite (for an ecto no less, who should be eating tons regardless) is acceptable? Not sure I get that... besides, lack of appetite is a ***** excuse for smokin mj... if you are trying to bodybuild, and know you should be eating... just ****ing eat it's not rocket science. Put food in mouth, chew, swallow. Whatever happened to discipline?

    Got glaucoma? Dying of cancer? Or do you just like smoking weed. There are only a few reasons for it that I can see, and trying to apply it to bodybuilding is silly and pointless. Just opinions, not addressing you personally Pjorstad.

  15. o you're saying smoking weed as a sleep aid for insomnia symptoms is bad because of the potential frequency

    Maybe, but more importantly when you stop smoking the weed then the insomnia will come back and stronger then ever making stopping at night very very hard( I know trust me). So in the end you didn't cure the insomnia, you just caused it to worsen when you get off and the fact you become dependant on it at night. This applies for alchohol too though probably.


    If you used it for appetite enhancement that could cause you to increase frequency which could lead to demotivation in the end. I guess it all comes down to mindpower. THe stronger you are motivated the less doing weed will bother you. Im sure there are people that can smoke it every day(except before the workout) and actually not lose any motivation for workouts. I bet i could do it at this point after all the hard work ive put in. there is no way in hell i would stop for ANYTHING.
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