Marijuana & Alcohol

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  1. Oh boy, I think this guy was stoned out of his mind when he wrote this. [/B]
     

    hehe... perhaps!


  2. Originally posted by Anxed


    Its pretty subjective... and the same could be said about alcohol, cigarettes, etc...  I think the corelation is pretty absurd...
    Yes they could, you're right, thus proving my other points about how alcohol and cigarettes are both worthless in society too....



    no, YJ, I dont... I have a great deal of respect for your opinions and knowledge... but I must disagree... i think saying something like that is exactly like saying "Steroids make people go nuts and hurt people".
    Whoa....now you're going way out of context. People dont begin steriods use for a high or for euphoric pleasure. Pot is a mental issue, it effects much areas of the body, steriods and marijuana are not comparable in no way other than the legal ramifications.


    Its all in the hands of the user... if you expect (or subconsciously want) to go into roid rage, and you pop some gear... guess what? odds are great that you will go off on someone...
    Wouldnt that be nice? All in the nads of the user... if only we could control ourselves while drunk or stoned.....but wait, wouldnt that defeat the whole purpose of getting that way? Roid rage is a myth. If you're an *******, you're an *******, artificial hormones dosnt climax this any more.

    I think the same is there with drinkers and pot smokers... and frankly, every pot smoker I know (myself included) is more likely to sit on the couch playing video games than go out and raise hell... but in all fairness, I dont know EVERY pot smoker in the world.. so my experience may be unique...
    I know a lot that do. But I know a lot that get real hungry and drive to a fast food place. Ahh, driving while stoned......oh boy.

    There HAS to be some personal accountability.
    Yes there does, but how often do you see that? ****, I hardly see it with sober people doing a job, let alone a stoned guy.

    I also think its incredibly wrong to compare marijuana to Exctasy.. i dont know what Xanax is, so I cant comment on that... but then again.. this is my own opinion... certainly not the only view...

    No one compared them. Only gave reference to MDMA as a future drug for pot smokers. I think its unfair to compare pot toe anabolic steriods too.
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  3. Umm....statistics are BS huh?

    No but they are when they are hidden in media b.s like i mentioned(purposely not mentioning that a lot of those people pulledover had some alchol in them too probably)




    No, Im anit-alcohol and pot my friend.
    hmmm i would have thought otherwise with your ranting and raving of the new beer, which is why i came to say that marijuana is better for your bodybuilding goals then alchol.

  4. Originally posted by pjorstad

    No but they are when they are hidden in media b.s like i mentioned(purposely not mentioning that a lot of those people pulledover had some alchol in them too probably)
    No media BS. It was a commercial funded by a non-profit organization.

    hmmm i would have thought otherwise with your ranting and raving of the new beer, which is why i came to say that marijuana is better for your bodybuilding goals then alchol.

    Dont think I even mentioned anything about new beer... I mentioned about mixing vodka in the new sugar free red bull if thats your thing....... nothing about new beer. You see, you dont even get facts straight on references from this board, how do you expect us to listen to you when you say "I heard". No way man.

  5. fter hearing about them on another board, sure enough, went to my grocery store and picked up a couple cases. Good for that energy boost when cutting (if you're cutting carbs) or on Keto ( ) They're good too, not to mention if you plan on going out and drinking on the weekends, I dont know if anyone has mixes red bull with vodka but holy ****.....its very good....and this will limit as many carbs as possible.....


    The taste is very close to that of the sugar version...... A+





    Sorry idon't drink so ithought red bull was an alcholic drink. Regardless though you do mention mixing it with vodka and others were mentioning alcohol hence whatstarted the whole anti-alchohol statement.
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  6. Originally posted by pjorstad

    Sorry idon't drink so ithought red bull was an alcholic drink. Regardless though you do mention mixing it with vodka and others were mentioning alcohol hence whatstarted the whole anti-alchohol statement.

    Honest mistake. I only said this after the rants on other boards (where I orginally heard of this new product). So to save people some extra calories when going out to drink, it was a minor suggestion.

  7. Originally posted by YellowJacket
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    Yes they could, you're right, thus proving my other points about how alcohol and cigarettes are both worthless in society too....
    hmmm.. I agree with the cigarette issue, but I dont with the alcohol... anything in excess is damaging... Im not condoning alcohol, either.. but I do think it has its place in society...

    Whoa....now you're going way out of context. People dont begin steriods use for a high or for euphoric pleasure. Pot is a mental issue, it effects much areas of the body, steriods and marijuana are not comparable in no way other than the legal ramifications.
    i wasnt comparing the 2 as them being similar drugs...eh.. i guess you missed my point .. but you are right... they are not comparable in any way.. but I do think there is a minimalist attitude amongst bodybuilders about steroids and their effects, yet somehow alcohol and pot are damned... but thats another rant, and probably too off topic for this thread...


    Wouldnt that be nice? All in the nads of the user... if only we could control ourselves while drunk or stoned.....but wait, wouldnt that defeat the whole purpose of getting that way? Roid rage is a myth. If you're an *******, you're an *******, artificial hormones dosnt climax this any more.
    I dunno, man.. i dont know who you are referring to about the "purpose of getting that way", but the only people I know that intend to get "out of control" are those that would abuse anything they could, or they are kids that shouldnt be drinking anyway... and really, ive never know anyone to get out of control after smokin dope...  I do believe "roid rage" is a myth... but I also believe that with some people it has a placebo effect... but again... this is way too off topic...

    I know a lot that do. But I know a lot that get real hungry and drive to a fast food place. Ahh, driving while stoned......oh boy.
    oh, im sure it happens all the time... is that the result of responsible use? no...

    Yes there does, but how often do you see that? ****, I hardly see it with sober people doing a job, let alone a stoned guy.
    of course thats the problem with our society... drive drunk and get in a wreck, its the alcohols fault... have sex and have a baby.. its the weed's fault... eat fast food and become obese... its the restaurants fault...

    I dont think everyone can ever see eye to eye with the drinking, etc when dealing in the world of bodybuilding... and rightfully so... but for me... life is a balance... I never plan on being a competitive bodybuilder... thats my choice... my life is fulfilled through art and design... I love bodybuilding.. I love looking the way I do, its an extention of my art... but I also enjoy taking part in life... going out for a drink with the "soon-to-be" wife... what is disheartening is that most "obsessed" bodybuilders that I speak to (especially on message boards) have this self-righteous attitude about drinking, or smoking herb (*cough* *cough* Layne Norton)...

    everyone can agree that drinking and smoking pot isnt gonna prolong yer life... but I do believe that with responsible use... you can enjoy life in moderation and still obtain your goals in bodybuilding...

  8. Originally posted by Anxed


    hmmm.. I agree with the cigarette issue, but I dont with the alcohol... anything in excess is damaging... Im not condoning alcohol, either.. but I do think it has its place in society...
    Ah yes, it does in deed have uses. Look how many people die from being killed by drunk drives, look at how many people die from alcohol poisoning, look at how many women are raped by drunks or while they're drunk, look at how many people commit suicide while intoxicated, ahh, the enjoyment of alcohol. People use it as an escape from reality, thats weak, get a hobby.


    oh, im sure it happens all the time... is that the result of responsible use? no...
    Responsible use? Holy **** its a controlled, ILLEGAL substance, the only "responsible" use is non at all.


    of course thats the problem with our society... drive drunk and get in a wreck, its the alcohols fault... have sex and have a baby.. its the weed's fault... eat fast food and become obese... its the restaurants fault...
    Once again, you compare apples to oranges. People who consume alcohol and wreck, do so because they are intoxicated, poeple who eat fast food dont get fat from the food, they get fat because they wont get off their fat lazy asses and take the stairs occasionally, I wouldnt compare a drug which has killed millions to eating fast food and not being physically active. No one said weed leads to sex, which leads to pregnancy, thats ignorance. Thus drinking and driving is ignorance, and those who choose to do it, I sincerly hope you run off a road and hit a tree and mutalate your body and die slowly, I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And I hope Im there in the other lane to witness it.

    I dont think everyone can ever see eye to eye with the drinking, etc when dealing in the world of bodybuilding...
    Im talking real life brother, no relation to bodybuilding. Its wrong in bodybuilding for the reasons mentioned above. Other than that, its none of my business, do what ya gotta do, if that gets you off, have at it, but if you choose to not be in control of yourself and perform ignorance acts, may God implement the worst possible punishment on you....I mean that also.

    but I also enjoy taking part in life... going out for a drink with the "soon-to-be" wife...
    If this is "life" to you and that makes you happy, more power to you, you choose to drive and slam into my kid or my family member, I will likely slit your throat, sounds childish on my part yes, but I take this **** seriously, lost a mother and father at 17 to a drunk, ignorant piece of **** who now resides as a prosecutor for the state, served 6 years......double murder, and served 6 years, think before you act.

  9. Responsible use? Holy **** its a controlled, ILLEGAL substance, the only "responsible" use is non at all.




    How ironic YOU say that





    Anyways my intentions for the whole debate were strictly based on bodybuilding. Not on Health, not on what gets you more messed up, what makes you a worse driver etc. In that way i would say marijuana and alchohol are probably similiar. B

    But when it comes to bodybuilding goals plain and simple marijuana has actual advantages as said earlier in the thread. Alchohol has none for the goals of bodybuilding. Now just as a cautionary marijuana will shut your motivation down fast so it is a double edged sword and thats why im glad im not doing it at this critical time in my life but i certainly won't chock it off my list PERMANENTLY or when im more comfortable with my physique as it won't be a big deal if my motivation goes down, ill be sporting a A+ body.

  10. Originally posted by pjorstad


    How ironic YOU say that
    I failed to see the irony in this, as Im not a steriods user or pot smoker. If I were to do steriods, once again, there is no comparison.


    But when it comes to bodybuilding goals plain and simple marijuana has actual advantages as said earlier in the thread.
    My point exactly, as SAID, not referenced.

  11. I must send an apology goes out to Anxed, sorry brother, got a little to emotional on this on, in no way were the psycho statements meant for you.... you have my respect man, if you were offended, I apologize, wasnt the intentions.

  12. I failed to see the irony in this, as Im not a steriods user or pot smoker. If I were to do steriods, once again, there is no comparison.


    Because your saying illegality and using illegal substances is irresponsible, hence using illegal anabolics you MUST feel the same way or else your logic falls apart like jay cutler forgetting clomid after a heavy cycle.

  13. Originally posted by pjorstad

    Because your saying illegality and using illegal substances is irresponsible, hence using illegal anabolics you MUST feel the same way or else your logic falls apart like jay cutler forgetting clomid after a heavy cycle.
    The cute analogies are terrible....third I dont condone the use of any illicit drugs, AAS, Weed, etc. If I choose to use AAS, thats my own personal choice, I'll say it again slow for you....

    If you want to drink, smoke pot, use AAS, **** 16 year old girls, do what you gotta do, your personal life is none of my business, jsut be careful when you do it and DONT profess it's use in a bodybuilding atmoshere, because it serves NO purpose.

  14. If you want to drink, smoke pot, use AAS, **** 16 year old girls, do what you gotta do, your personal life is none of my business, jsut be careful when you do it and DONT profess it's use in a bodybuilding atmoshere, because it serves NO purpose.

    So as it stands now you can quoted as being anti-steroid and believing it serves no purpose in bodybuilding?? or was that just grouped in their and not part of the conclusion?

  15. Well not this is way off topic, but sense we're talking about bodybuilding and controlled drugs again, I'll say this....

    Anabolic Steriods Serve their purpose in bodybuilding. Pot doesnt (I shouldnt have to explain this, but I will) anabolic steriods give you the ability to achieve gains you normally wouldnt or that would normally take you an extreme amount of time......marijuana, well it makes you hungry I guess

  16. Yj i probably stand in agreement with you in a way. I tend to agree that weed and alchohol are probably best not taken but my main driving force is the lesser of two evils for bodybuilding. The problem is i haven't smoked weed on a regular basis since ive got into weight training so its hard for me to say if it will necessarily hurt you. All my experience tells me it has positive points if used with caution in mind[ knowing that it may cause a marked decrease in motivation{one can argue that is a question of willpower though} ]


    Sorry i had to do the dantebattista effect there

  17. marijuana, well it makes you hungry I guess

    heh. Seriously for an ectomorph with no hunger that is a very SERIOUS PRO for me. Besides as i mentioned it can help with insomnia and it helps with stress. Now it can make you stressed out not being on it but maybe not do it everyday and youll be ok and won't have to wrry about severe mental withdrawls. Remember less stress = less cortisol = more muscle which is critical for a hardgainer like me.

  18. Originally posted by pjorstad



    heh. Seriously for an ectomorph with no hunger that is a very SERIOUS PRO for me.
    But this is where you slip up. Ectomorph classification has nothing to do with being hungry, etc. Its a the body type, frame size, and common characteristics are inability to gain weight because of an increased metabolism. I know plenty of ecto's that eat probably double that I do, they jsut cant keep weight becuase its being metabolized seemingly instantly. So pot for an ecto is laughable really, its not that they're not hungry its that when they eat, it being processed very quickly.



    Besides as i mentioned it can help with insomnia
    So can GHB. Point is, you can sleep, smoke some pot, wow. Insomnia is a chronic ailment, usually night a one night deal, so do you advocate smoking pot everytnight until its gone? No, I'd hope not. Insomnia is one of the more weaker arguments as to the benefits of marijuana.


    and it helps with stress.
    So does yoga. If you deal with stress by drinking or smoking pot, you emphasize the common stereotype perfectly, so this falls right into my arugments. There are better ways to deal with stress, run, walk, get a hobby, smoking pot isnt an ideal alternative.


    Remember less stress = less cortisol = more muscle which is critical for a hardgainer like me.
    Gonna pretend I didnt read this one

    Orange juice also has been shown to suppress cortisol. Smoke a blunt, drink a glass of orange juice, not a hard decision if you value your freedom and over all health.

  19. But this is where you slip up. Ectomorph classification has nothing to do with being hungry, etc. Its a the body type, frame size, and common characteristics are inability to gain weight because of an increased metabolism. I know plenty of ecto's that eat probably double that I do, they jsut cant keep weight becuase its being metabolized seemingly instantly. So pot for an ecto is laughable really, its not that they're not hungry its that when they eat, it being processed very quickly.

    Thats nice but in order for a ecto to gain he has to have an appetite(something i do not have)! Weed will surely do this.

    Sorry but for me this pro alone is PLENTY even if there wasn't any others.




    Your right though about the insomnia part. Smoking it every night would happen VERY fast if you smoke it before bed and in fact when you stop it will lead to severe insomnia(I experienced this actually) so i retract what i say there

  20. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    I must send an apology goes out to Anxed, sorry brother, got a little to emotional on this on, in no way were the psycho statements meant for you.... you have my respect man, if you were offended, I apologize, wasnt the intentions.
     

    sent you a PM... no worries, man... I totally understand... but I will respectfully bow out of this thread...

  21. Originally posted by Anxed


     

    sent you a PM... no worries, man... I totally understand... but I will respectfully bow out of this thread...
    And I will follow your lead and do the same....

  22. Yj, I just wanted to add that I agree with everything you said on this thread. I drank booze for years, and smoked pot, did organic mescalin, qualudes and speed. But then I grew up, and realized how much more productive my life was without all that crap, and never looked back. Haven't even had a beer in over 10 years. You have my greatest respect for your strong stand on these issues.
  23. Cool


    If anyone would like, I took part in a research experiment done on rats that explains drug addiction (mainly Heroine and Cocaine) and I could type up a bunch of stuff on that if you think it's relevant.

  24. Originally posted by pjorstad

    Thats nice but in order for a ecto to gain he has to have an appetite(something i do not have)! Weed will surely do this.

    Sorry but for me this pro alone is PLENTY even if there wasn't any others.

    Your right though about the insomnia part. Smoking it every night would happen VERY fast if you smoke it before bed and in fact when you stop it will lead to severe insomnia(I experienced this actually) so i retract what i say there
    So you're saying smoking weed as a sleep aid for insomnia symptoms is bad because of the potential frequency, but smoking in attempt to gain appetite (for an ecto no less, who should be eating tons regardless) is acceptable? Not sure I get that... besides, lack of appetite is a ***** excuse for smokin mj... if you are trying to bodybuild, and know you should be eating... just ****ing eat it's not rocket science. Put food in mouth, chew, swallow. Whatever happened to discipline?

    Got glaucoma? Dying of cancer? Or do you just like smoking weed. There are only a few reasons for it that I can see, and trying to apply it to bodybuilding is silly and pointless. Just opinions, not addressing you personally Pjorstad.

  25. o you're saying smoking weed as a sleep aid for insomnia symptoms is bad because of the potential frequency

    Maybe, but more importantly when you stop smoking the weed then the insomnia will come back and stronger then ever making stopping at night very very hard( I know trust me). So in the end you didn't cure the insomnia, you just caused it to worsen when you get off and the fact you become dependant on it at night. This applies for alchohol too though probably.


    If you used it for appetite enhancement that could cause you to increase frequency which could lead to demotivation in the end. I guess it all comes down to mindpower. THe stronger you are motivated the less doing weed will bother you. Im sure there are people that can smoke it every day(except before the workout) and actually not lose any motivation for workouts. I bet i could do it at this point after all the hard work ive put in. there is no way in hell i would stop for ANYTHING.
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