While I agree that the products may be over rated, and I had problems with Apple music players *which is why we own Zune now lol*, I am in music production and audio engineering and the new Pentium based Imacs are off the chain. Nothing compares to the multimedia capabilities that are possible on imacs.. Note i didnt say macbooks, ipads, iphones, and ipods...... Cuz im with you on all of those products
That's funny, cuz I am the complete opposite. I have only ever used Apple products, and all the computer problems I have had were with PC's. No hard feelings though. :sgrin: Apple lovers are the minority, and their products are not for everyone.
This is true. I could get some good s#!t with that money.Never had an iPhone and don't plan on getting one. I could buy supplements for that cash, and get a cheaper phone
i know tons of mac lovers, everyone around where i live is in love with them, my buddy designs web-sites and does artwork and always preaches macs for everything, i just haven't had a good product, maybe the computers are good but i'll never know
just get the 3GS for 99 and wait for the iphone 5!
Fail. I hate macs, but a windows-based phone just seems like a bomb set next to my ear.
Actually, the phones work rather well. Windows 7 has been a god-send and putting it into a phone was a brilliant idea. The windows mobile phones also hold 20% of the market share and are the best phones to deploy in a microsoft exchange (server that runs email) environment.
Not anymore
Apple is larger in terms of value than Microsoft now....for a reason.
Good for you.I think iphones are for [email protected] like women....thats all my brain needs to compute to realize I hate iphones
I am the biggest Mac lover I know, and I am one of the few at work without an iPhone. Can't wait for the 15th. Black/32gb here I come!
Are ya putting that on your 3G? How does it run? Really curious about the multitasking feature. Looks awesome.
Yeah I did. It runs pretty smooth. Everything is a bit quicker. Multi is good but tough to really evaluate since most apps dont even support it yet. They just let dev's start coding for it so I would say most apps will be updated fairly shortly.
This Company is a Crap for me Blackberry never fail me!:fing02:
Now the droid has had my attention...sadly Verizon will never take me back :sgrin: I have seen to that personally, then they go and get the freacken droid... oh well in 2 years something better than the droid and iphone will come along.
^ Android phones are where it's at. Open source development vs locked down Mac development will always win.
I've had nothing but trouble with all iPods I have bought. I bought a ZuneHD and have had nothing but Success with it.
I had windows mobile phones for a long time, if you are relatively tech savvy you can speed them up quite a bit with custom roms and such. As far as I can tell windows 7 phones are going to be iphone imitators as far as lockdown goes, and if anyone has a zune, you know that MS has like 20 apps for it or something, and no one is making any...maybe the phone will be different.
Android Marketplace has gotten 50k apps in 1/4 of the time apple has gotten their marketplace. + most of it is free, and the fact that you can have any carrier, and pick from really high tech phones (tegra procs $) or cheaper (free) lower tech phones is what will make Android beat iPhone for sure.
I've always hated Mac because it seems like people pay money for the apple, I could literally build ANY mac product for 3/4 of the cost at least. That and Apple always tries to tout improvements as "world changing brand new stuff apple invented" For example the front facing camera on the iphone4...front facing cameras have been around for like 4 years...
iPhone 4 is actually the first iphone I'd ever consider buying, but Apples 6 month revision policy ensures that you will need a new phone in 6 months...meh I should not rant lol
On the other hand, I have MAD respect for Jobs, because he is one of the only people in the world that can make old technology look cool, and get millions of people to pay a **** ton of money for it...
Actually Mac's for the most part outperformed and had better technology than any Intel based and/or clone from the mid 80's until early in this decade. It wasn't technology that held them back....it was 3rd party software development and the tight grip they had. That has since changed drastically and its fairly easy to become a developer for anything MAC/Iphone/Apple based.
I am not doubting the value of Macs in a niche market. Graphic design is definitely a niche market and one mac does well at.
Graphic design isn't a niche market...its an example of how anything graphic based is better utilized on a mac.
Not when those same components perform better than a Windows based PC. The OS and Apps simple don't require or need the same amounts of hardware. Its comparing apples to oranges.
Thats your opinion. IMO they perform much better...are easier to use for your average user and don't nearly have the fail rate in terms of OS and APP function over the longrun......and that's an observation form someone who worked in IT and continues to work in this industry since 1991.
If you read carefully, I said market value, not market share.
Microsoft bought the 51%+ of the shares of Apple.Not anymore
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/05/stock_market_apple_worth_more.html
Yeah it is, 99% of people can do any type of graphic editing they need to do with free applications and integrated graphics. I am talking about enterprise level graphic design, which a lot of companies use macs for. Average user does not need a workstation graphic processor.
Well with Apple being nix based that is a given. The code is more modular than the windows cluster****. I could install linux on any mac and it will perform even better than mac OS. I actually use crunchbang 90% of the time on my computer. Honestly the PC/MAC battle was finished as soon as Apple started using intel. I can put OSX on my laptop now and it would be a mac. I could put windows 7 on your mac and it would be a PC. People are literally paying for the Apple logo now. That's not really an opinion either, its just fact.
The market share that I linked clearly shows people are not sick of windows. 92% of the world uses it, 1, because Apple dropped the ball back when all businesses became automated, and people just won't change now. It would cost too much to retrain everyone, and productivity would drop too much. That and 90% of applications don't support Apple, so people would have even more downtime finding alternatives. On the games, have you used windows 7? It's pretty darn quick. And 95% of games can't run on mac, because microsoft won with DirectX back in the day also. No one codes there games in OpenGL (there are a few) everyone used DirectX. Honestly I hope they start using OGL more so I can forever drp windows in lieu of Linux. Steam coming to mac/linux is a step in the right direction though.
I know, I am what most would consider a "power user" spending a lot of my time overclocking and such, and I realize most of America isn't like this, and this is exactly why Apple is so successful right now. As someone who likes to know exactly how everything works and enjoys fixing everything himself I don't like things being so easy lol.
No doubt here, they have been building on top of the same code since 95. They really need to do a ground up version. 7 cleaned a lot of old crap out though.
Yeah, I quoted my article on purpose. I don't think comparing the two like that is even fair, as Microsoft doesn't sell PCs. Of course Apple stock will be worth more, they sell all their own hardware, + the mobile devices and accessories and such.
Apple is already repeating the same things that tanked them in the past though. Locking the iPhone to ATT was a very poor choice. They would have the market hands down if they had released to all carriers. Android phones will quickly overtake Apple, I think its projected to happen next year sometime. It just makes more sense when you can get a better phone on any carrier for free rather than be stuck to ATT and paying 300 dollars for your phone, +the extra iphone plan.
I dunno man, I had a touch screen phone like a year before the iPhone came out. The only thing that was revolutionary about it was the multitouch. The hardware inside was underpowered at release, and has been underpowered in every iPhone since. I'm not knocking on that, because if it doesn't need a lot of power, why put it in there right, my only real issue with Apple is that the specs of the phones should put them in the free section compared to other phones you can get. Jobs is a marketing genius, no one can doubt that. I'll agree with you on the simplicity though, lots of people don't like updating/anti-virus etc. However, those are things that can be fixed with simple education. Don't open stupid emails and go on porn sites all the time, you won't get viruses.
I just have strong opinions and love a good debate, but my favorite thing about AM is the only flames happen in Muscletech threads, so lets keep it civil
Q6600 @3.4 Boot Time 20 seconds!:bigeyes:I dunno man, I had a touch screen phone like a year before the iPhone came out. The only thing that was revolutionary about it was the multitouch. The hardware inside was underpowered at release, and has been underpowered in every iPhone since. I'm not knocking on that, because if it doesn't need a lot of power, why put it in there right, my only real issue with Apple is that the specs of the phones should put them in the free section compared to other phones you can get. Jobs is a marketing genius, no one can doubt that. I'll agree with you on the simplicity though, lots of people don't like updating/anti-virus etc. However, those are things that can be fixed with simple education. Don't open stupid emails and go on porn sites all the time, you won't get viruses.
My boot time on windows 7 with an i7-720 is about 26 seconds, I'd recommend getting boot camp and looking into it
<< I'm not trying to start a flame war on here at all, hope no one takes it that way
That's why i bought a imac and an ipod. Almost no hassles
Agreed...but the point is they get it regardless. Its not like I"m spending 2k on a macbook....the one I use cost $999 and runs everything I want with much less hassle of a windows PC.
Having used both, Windows has a much harder time crossing platforms than Mac's do. It simply is not the same.
The graphic you show simply illustrates the dominance they have had over the last 30 years in business. That drives market share, not individual home users. Its not because people prefer it, its because its a necessity to function given their almost monopoly like status in business. With platforms being able to crossover more easily you are seeing many business's replacing PC's with Mac's. Go into most newsrooms and its dominated by Mac's. That market share was built up over 3 decades of dominance which is being eroded daily. A friend of mine is a CIO of a publicly traded fashion line and they have already started experimenting with Mac's. When you see people like that starting to switch over, the trend is fairly easy to see.
They have market share because of outrageous licensing fee's. If you think Apple is gouging people because of 40-60% margins, check out what Microsoft charges for many of their business management software packages. Its highway robbery. People have been dying for alternatives for 20 years.
Apples makes money off of Iphones, Ipod's and Itunes. Desktops are a very small part. Microsoft is still around because of licensing and Xbox.
Which took 30 years to achieve and probably take another 20 years to erase.
I'll make you a bet it never happens.
I use both. One (Mac) because I choose too. One (PC) because I have too.
In true, power user, IT, fashion....Also for the record I prefer Linux, Crunchbang/Arch, and only use windows for playing video games
And Microsoft was dead if it wasn't for their Xbox which by all tech head accounts is ......underpowered. PS3 is more powerful all around. Did that help them? So whats your point?
Nothing at the time even came close to its ease of use and sheer simplicity of doing basic functions. The touchscreen alternatives at the time were horrible. Web browsing was 10x better than anything out there. Blackberry responded by releasing the Storm which was horrible.
Woot!
They haven't locked down anything. Case in point, I installed it and its not even out yetiPhone 4 is actually the first "i" product that has a good value too, looks like the case is solid, and I like the design a lot, just not a huge fan of the iOS and how Apple is locking the OS down so much. It's good for average joes though, and I am sure some day I will tire of tinkering
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