Oh ok. I thought that was what he meant. I started those around a couple months ago, when my back was acting up. One of the old powerlifters with a bad hip was doin em" and had me try it out. We have the ones that are at a slight angle plus a skinny bar. I go 135,225,315,405,475 all by 10 until 475. I get about 5. But it doesn't do much. Regular deads are better I think.