- 10-23-2009, 05:27 PM
I guess my main question here is , what constitutes a sucker punch exactly ?
My situation in question goes thusly :
At a bar , guy is coming on to my girl , ends up grabbing her ass . I get pissed and begin to go after him but the bouncer who is a friend of mine convinces me not to do anything there because he didn't want the cops to get called on me or anything . I tell the groper in no uncertain terms that if I catch him out , he and I are goin round . fast forward a little to a field party where I see the little f**k . Now he doesnt see me and I dont say anything to anyone not even my girl , I walked up behind him grabbed his shoulder , spun him around and clocked him squarley in the chin . It didnt quite knock him unconcious but fell down and had a hell of a time regaining his balance . Before walking off I said to him ; I told you I'd get you . He had no idea I was coming up bahind him or was even at the party but I did warn him . So did I sucker punch him or was he just too much of a sucker and should have been keeping a eye out ?
So what exactly constitutes a sucker punch ?
Anybody else have experience with stuff like this ?
- 10-23-2009, 05:30 PM
Don't even sweat it. There are no rules in street-fighting. He got what is referred to as "caught slippin."
10-23-2009, 05:48 PM
10-23-2009, 06:56 PM
+1 to "caught slippin" and also +1 to Jayhawkk (although, that IS assault, copper)
If you came up on him from behind and clocked him before he had a chance to realize he was about to be in a fight...then yeah, definitely a sucker punch. If you would have spun him around and said "hey, remember me d!ckface?" then swung on him...then that technically wouldn't be considered a sucker punch.
It's moot though. He's a douche and deserved it, so don't feel too badly about it.
10-23-2009, 07:43 PM
10-23-2009, 08:00 PM
10-23-2009, 09:43 PM
Yes, it was def. a sucker punch........I've been a victim of them many times before
Did the guy know she was your chick?
If he didn't know, then I have no problem with him.......
Grabbing a little ass does not justify a sukker punch in my book........
If he knew it was your chick and did it right in front of you, than probably.
10-23-2009, 09:55 PM
10-23-2009, 09:56 PM
10-23-2009, 09:58 PM
10-23-2009, 10:11 PM
Somewhat of a sucker punch. A pure sucker punch would have been to hit him while he was not looking at all...like come up from the side and he doesn't notice you and nail him square in the side of the face/head...pure sucker punch..
However, the latter could potentially end you up in prison if you make contact with his temple..and, good thing you did spin him around. An attack from the blind side toward the back of the head could constitute attempted murder in MANY states. This is especially if he goes unconscious.
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10-23-2009, 10:33 PM
10-23-2009, 10:36 PM
10-23-2009, 10:56 PM
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10-23-2009, 11:02 PM
Like I said, don't sweat it. If you don't go around assaulting women then you have no worries of someone running up on you. What you all call a "sucker-punch" I call using the "element of surprise." Did you get "disqualified?" Alright then. LOL I guarantee you that he'll think twice before doing that again. And I'm impressed that you let him sleep on it for a month! GANGSTA!
10-23-2009, 11:12 PM
10-24-2009, 01:03 AM
Well in that case he deserved it, although I would have warned him first, for the simple fact that he could re-play the image of my fist coming at him over and over, after I say "Remember me, buddy?"
The punch would have been followed by me walking away and saying " I bet you will remember that."
Problem is now next time he sees you, you might get sucker punched.
That is unless hes a little b!tch, which in that case, dont sweat it.
10-24-2009, 05:41 AM
750.82 Felonious assault
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who assaults another person with a gun, revolver, pistol, knife, iron bar, club, brass knuckles, or other dangerous weapon without intending to commit murder or to inflict great bodily harm less than murder is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both.
Alabama^ is the same OR VERY similar, Georgia, Mississippi, Maryland, Texas, Kentucky, a few more.
But, a blow to the back of the head? that can be deemed "with intent" so below:
750.84 Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder.
Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder—Any person who shall assault another with intent to do great bodily harm, less than the crime of murder, shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years, or by fine of not more than 5,000 dollars.
^State of Michigan
I was saying, not murder, but can be deemed as an attempt. Chances of it being his bare hand are not likely though. This is more for when using a blunt object, of course, it could be a bottle or book. Hell, i have a buddy sitting in prison now for hitting someone in the back of the head with a metal trash can that knocked the guy out for 2 hours....he's in on an attempt charge.
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10-24-2009, 01:34 PM
10-24-2009, 01:38 PM
10-24-2009, 01:44 PM
I know someone that I used train with who pushed a dude down and was charged with aggravated assault. The reason for the enhancement: he trains MMA and his hands are "lethal weapons."
M.Ed. Ex Phys
10-24-2009, 01:48 PM
10-24-2009, 02:10 PM
10-24-2009, 02:16 PM
Funny, because the lead defensive instructor on POST is behind bars for a random fight at a bar (off POST) the other night. They are charging him with battery with lethal weapon (elbow/knee). I am sure that the POST Commander will pull him from the fire; however, the CPD has a hard-on lately for jailing soldiers.
10-24-2009, 02:35 PM
10-24-2009, 02:41 PM
10-24-2009, 03:35 PM
Doesn't really work in that context, Rodja. Same for your earlier story... A push is a push regardless of your training. If he used some mma type of move to increase the damage received from the fall. A couch potato pushing someone down the stairs on purpose can still get elevated charges. The training can be used from both defense and prosecution but it isn't a guarantee on either side.
10-24-2009, 03:46 PM
10-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Case: mma guy hits a guy once and crushes his skull.... A non mma guy does the same thing.
It can be argued and defended more ways for each guy. Hate typing this **** on my phone.
10-24-2009, 04:01 PM
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