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    Sucker Punching


    I guess my main question here is , what constitutes a sucker punch exactly ?
    My situation in question goes thusly :

    At a bar , guy is coming on to my girl , ends up grabbing her ass . I get pissed and begin to go after him but the bouncer who is a friend of mine convinces me not to do anything there because he didn't want the cops to get called on me or anything . I tell the groper in no uncertain terms that if I catch him out , he and I are goin round . fast forward a little to a field party where I see the little f**k . Now he doesnt see me and I dont say anything to anyone not even my girl , I walked up behind him grabbed his shoulder , spun him around and clocked him squarley in the chin . It didnt quite knock him unconcious but fell down and had a hell of a time regaining his balance . Before walking off I said to him ; I told you I'd get you . He had no idea I was coming up bahind him or was even at the party but I did warn him . So did I sucker punch him or was he just too much of a sucker and should have been keeping a eye out ?
    So what exactly constitutes a sucker punch ?
    Anybody else have experience with stuff like this ?

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    Don't even sweat it. There are no rules in street-fighting. He got what is referred to as "caught slippin."
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    Is what you did a sucker punch? Yup!
    Did he deserve it for grabbing your girl's ass? No doubt.
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    +1 to "caught slippin" and also +1 to Jayhawkk (although, that IS assault, copper)

    If you came up on him from behind and clocked him before he had a chance to realize he was about to be in a fight...then yeah, definitely a sucker punch. If you would have spun him around and said "hey, remember me d!ckface?" then swung on him...then that technically wouldn't be considered a sucker punch.

    It's moot though. He's a douche and deserved it, so don't feel too badly about it.
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    It shouldn't be this way, but that's a great way to do to jail.
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    Youre a p*ssy because you only hit him once.
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    Yes, it was def. a sucker punch........I've been a victim of them many times before


    Did the guy know she was your chick?

    If he didn't know, then I have no problem with him.......

    Grabbing a little ass does not justify a sukker punch in my book........

    If he knew it was your chick and did it right in front of you, than probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitesnake View Post
    Yes, it was def. a sucker punch........I've been a victim of them many times before


    Did the guy know she was your chick?

    If he didn't know, then I have no problem with him.......

    Grabbing a little ass does not justify a sukker punch in my book........

    If he knew it was your chick and did it right in front of you, than probably.
    He knew she was with me he just didnt think I was looking when he went for the grab . Was making my girl uncomfortable all night before this .
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    +1 to "caught slippin" and also +1 to Jayhawkk (although, that IS assault, copper)

    If you came up on him from behind and clocked him before he had a chance to realize he was about to be in a fight...then yeah, definitely a sucker punch. If you would have spun him around and said "hey, remember me d!ckface?" then swung on him...then that technically wouldn't be considered a sucker punch.

    It's moot though. He's a douche and deserved it, so don't feel too badly about it.
    Maybe should have given him a little warning . It had been almost a month , but I tend to hold a grudge .
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    Youre a p*ssy because you only hit him once.
    I think deep down oinside , I really like the way you think .
    Thanks for all feedback guys . If I was in the wrong I firmly believe that karma will see that I get mine .
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    Somewhat of a sucker punch. A pure sucker punch would have been to hit him while he was not looking at all...like come up from the side and he doesn't notice you and nail him square in the side of the face/head...pure sucker punch..

    However, the latter could potentially end you up in prison if you make contact with his temple..and, good thing you did spin him around. An attack from the blind side toward the back of the head could constitute attempted murder in MANY states. This is especially if he goes unconscious.
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    Attempted murder? Which states have laws saying a punch in the back of the head is considered AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsteven View Post
    It had been almost a month
    DEFINITELY a sucker punch. I thought you saw him at the party later that night.

    Not that I condone that douche playing grabby hands w/your broad, but still...unless spin him around and say "its go time" or something before you blast him...textbook sucker punch.

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    Like I said, don't sweat it. If you don't go around assaulting women then you have no worries of someone running up on you. What you all call a "sucker-punch" I call using the "element of surprise." Did you get "disqualified?" Alright then. LOL I guarantee you that he'll think twice before doing that again. And I'm impressed that you let him sleep on it for a month! GANGSTA!
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    Well in that case he deserved it, although I would have warned him first, for the simple fact that he could re-play the image of my fist coming at him over and over, after I say "Remember me, buddy?"

    The punch would have been followed by me walking away and saying " I bet you will remember that."











    Problem is now next time he sees you, you might get sucker punched.
    That is unless hes a little b!tch, which in that case, dont sweat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    Attempted murder? Which states have laws saying a punch in the back of the head is considered AM.


    750.82 Felonious assault
    Sec. 82.

    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who assaults another person with a gun, revolver, pistol, knife, iron bar, club, brass knuckles, or other dangerous weapon without intending to commit murder or to inflict great bodily harm less than murder is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both.

    Alabama^ is the same OR VERY similar, Georgia, Mississippi, Maryland, Texas, Kentucky, a few more.
    But, a blow to the back of the head? that can be deemed "with intent" so below:

    750.84 Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder.

    Sec. 84.

    Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder—Any person who shall assault another with intent to do great bodily harm, less than the crime of murder, shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years, or by fine of not more than 5,000 dollars.
    ^State of Michigan

    I was saying, not murder, but can be deemed as an attempt. Chances of it being his bare hand are not likely though. This is more for when using a blunt object, of course, it could be a bottle or book. Hell, i have a buddy sitting in prison now for hitting someone in the back of the head with a metal trash can that knocked the guy out for 2 hours....he's in on an attempt charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    750.82 Felonious assault
    Sec. 82.

    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who assaults another person with a gun, revolver, pistol, knife, iron bar, club, brass knuckles, or other dangerous weapon without intending to commit murder or to inflict great bodily harm less than murder is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both.

    Alabama^ is the same OR VERY similar, Georgia, Mississippi, Maryland, Texas, Kentucky, a few more.
    But, a blow to the back of the head? that can be deemed "with intent" so below:

    750.84 Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder.

    Sec. 84.

    Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder—Any person who shall assault another with intent to do great bodily harm, less than the crime of murder, shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years, or by fine of not more than 5,000 dollars.
    ^State of Michigan

    I was saying, not murder, but can be deemed as an attempt. Chances of it being his bare hand are not likely though. This is more for when using a blunt object, of course, it could be a bottle or book. Hell, i have a buddy sitting in prison now for hitting someone in the back of the head with a metal trash can that knocked the guy out for 2 hours....he's in on an attempt charge.
    I don't think either of these apply. No weapons and while you MIGHT be able to prove intent, you can't prove "intent to do great bodily harm." Any good lawyer would have you out of court in a few minutes.
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    I meant to punch him in the face ya'hona
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    I know someone that I used train with who pushed a dude down and was charged with aggravated assault. The reason for the enhancement: he trains MMA and his hands are "lethal weapons."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    Youre a p*ssy because you only hit him once.


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    As far as I know lethal weapon hands is an old wives tale.
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    Funny, because the lead defensive instructor on POST is behind bars for a random fight at a bar (off POST) the other night. They are charging him with battery with lethal weapon (elbow/knee). I am sure that the POST Commander will pull him from the fire; however, the CPD has a hard-on lately for jailing soldiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    As far as I know lethal weapon hands is an old wives tale.
    Once you are a professional, thats the case IIRC.

    Yeah, a bunch of kids at my high school tried boxing and they stopped because they'd "have to register their hands." I laughed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    As far as I know lethal weapon hands is an old wives tale.
    In TX, just training is enough for them to try to enhance it. Once you've competed, you're going to have it pegged on you.
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    Doesn't really work in that context, Rodja. Same for your earlier story... A push is a push regardless of your training. If he used some mma type of move to increase the damage received from the fall. A couch potato pushing someone down the stairs on purpose can still get elevated charges. The training can be used from both defense and prosecution but it isn't a guarantee on either side.
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    It isn't the act it the damage that's considered.
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    Case: mma guy hits a guy once and crushes his skull.... A non mma guy does the same thing.
    It can be argued and defended more ways for each guy. Hate typing this **** on my phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    Doesn't really work in that context, Rodja. Same for your earlier story... A push is a push regardless of your training. If he used some mma type of move to increase the damage received from the fall. A couch potato pushing someone down the stairs on purpose can still get elevated charges. The training can be used from both defense and prosecution but it isn't a guarantee on either side.
    It happened. I saw the docket and had to give a character statement. They tried to say that he did martial arts moves to inflict bodily harm. I'm not saying it makes sense, but that's the way it is.

    BTW, how old's the pup now?
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    Three months this week. Due to weather they don't come home for another week so their training gets completed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionic View Post
    I don't think either of these apply. No weapons and while you MIGHT be able to prove intent, you can't prove "intent to do great bodily harm." Any good lawyer would have you out of court in a few minutes.
    Not that the OP was in this situation, but to change speeds on the subject for just a sec....if you hit someone in the back of the head and there is evidence that the victim HAD NO KNOWLEDGE of said attack, blind shot, to the back of the head, there's a high chance to prove intent to do bodily harm. Like before, I have one friend that is locked up now from hitting a guy in the back of the head with a metal trash can...another person that I used to work with who is facing attempt now from striking a kid, 16, in the back of his head while he was already face down, when he kicked him in the back of the head...

    As I was saying, it's not guaranteed to be attempted murder but it could be trialed as such...same though, they might get off, but I wouldn't want to go through that

    I agree though, this situation is much less violent than either of those above, yet, I would not risk taking a "blind shot" on anyone. However, in the event that it meant killed or be killed, then I wouldn't think twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsteven View Post
    I guess my main question here is , what constitutes a sucker punch exactly ?
    My situation in question goes thusly :

    At a bar , guy is coming on to my girl , ends up grabbing her ass . I get pissed and begin to go after him but the bouncer who is a friend of mine convinces me not to do anything there because he didn't want the cops to get called on me or anything . I tell the groper in no uncertain terms that if I catch him out , he and I are goin round . fast forward a little to a field party where I see the little f**k . Now he doesnt see me and I dont say anything to anyone not even my girl , I walked up behind him grabbed his shoulder , spun him around and clocked him squarley in the chin . It didnt quite knock him unconcious but fell down and had a hell of a time regaining his balance . Before walking off I said to him ; I told you I'd get you . He had no idea I was coming up bahind him or was even at the party but I did warn him . So did I sucker punch him or was he just too much of a sucker and should have been keeping a eye out ?
    So what exactly constitutes a sucker punch ?
    Anybody else have experience with stuff like this ?
    The guy deserved to get knocked around a little,but you are a coward for having done it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    750.82 Felonious assault
    Sec. 82.

    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who assaults another person with a gun, revolver, pistol, knife, iron bar, club, brass knuckles, or other dangerous weapon without intending to commit murder or to inflict great bodily harm less than murder is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both.

    Alabama^ is the same OR VERY similar, Georgia, Mississippi, Maryland, Texas, Kentucky, a few more.
    But, a blow to the back of the head? that can be deemed "with intent" so below:

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    Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder—Any person who shall assault another with intent to do great bodily harm, less than the crime of murder, shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years, or by fine of not more than 5,000 dollars.
    ^State of Michigan

    I was saying, not murder, but can be deemed as an attempt. Chances of it being his bare hand are not likely though. This is more for when using a blunt object, of course, it could be a bottle or book. Hell, i have a buddy sitting in prison now for hitting someone in the back of the head with a metal trash can that knocked the guy out for 2 hours....he's in on an attempt charge.
    I spent a year in jail for attempted felonious assault for a straight up two man asskicking both parties engaged in willingly, (in Ohio), there has to be more to how this works than just those subsections.
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    Got what he deserved. He needs to be taught a lesson for grabbing woman anyhow, so good job. Although he prob need another right/left combo to the chin after you leaned down and told him "remember me".
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    **** that... there are no rules when it comes to this. Clock the dude from behind, side, upside ****ing down. You did what you needed to do, and was done with it.
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    An oldtimer once told me about a time when he was younger he saw a guy cut in front of a woman at a water fountain and he grabbed him by the back of the head and slammed his faced into the water fountain so hard it knocked him unconscience. If anyone believes this guy deserved anything less, grow a pair.
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    Don't sweat bro, I would've done the same thing, he deserved it. Don't get caught slippin though, watch your 6!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsteven View Post
    I guess my main question here is , what constitutes a sucker punch exactly ?
    My situation in question goes thusly :

    At a bar , guy is coming on to my girl , ends up grabbing her ass . I get pissed and begin to go after him but the bouncer who is a friend of mine convinces me not to do anything there because he didn't want the cops to get called on me or anything . I tell the groper in no uncertain terms that if I catch him out , he and I are goin round . fast forward a little to a field party where I see the little f**k . Now he doesnt see me and I dont say anything to anyone not even my girl , I walked up behind him grabbed his shoulder , spun him around and clocked him squarley in the chin . It didnt quite knock him unconcious but fell down and had a hell of a time regaining his balance . Before walking off I said to him ; I told you I'd get you . He had no idea I was coming up bahind him or was even at the party but I did warn him . So did I sucker punch him or was he just too much of a sucker and should have been keeping a eye out ?
    So what exactly constitutes a sucker punch ?
    Anybody else have experience with stuff like this ?
    Def a sucker punch, but **** that...my man is lucky he didn't get a baseball bat to the head for disrespecting you and your girl..can't stand people that disrespect..!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    The guy deserved to get knocked around a little,but you are a coward for having done it that way.
    No need to be rude about it . I'm not a coward I just saw red and went to it .
    I see where a lot of posters are coming from saying that I should have said SOMETHING before hand but I did tell him at the bar that i wasnt dropping the subject . Just because I didn't write him a letter a week in advance challenging him to a round of fisticuffs doesn't make me a coward .
    And yes jim623 I am keeping my eyes peeled . Even though he knew exactly why I did it and he didn't try to fight after he picked himself up I could see this being an issue in the future . I will do my best to protect me and mine .
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