Homo Marriage in Massachusetts ?!
02-11-2004 06:23 PM
Homo Marriage in Massachusetts ?!
I have to say that at times, it absolutely SHAMES me to say I live in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I cannot believe some of the BS that occurs here pollitically, and this issue has to be the biggest stinker YET.
Before any gay members start in with brandishing me as a discriminating "homophobe", just don't even start that nonsense. I've never advocated violence against gay people, NEVER. And anyone who commits violence against ANYBODY ELSE deserves to receive the full weight of penalty under the law. I've worked with gay people in and around the Boston area, I have no problem whatsoever with them, and they'd tell you that I've treated them kindly, respectfully, etc. One of them is among the funniest and most enjoyable people I've ever had the pleasure to be around.
The gay community has for years been preaching the message of "tolerance". I for one, have been tolerant. While there are exceptions, I think most people are tolerant and considerate of others. If two men or two women want to spend time together in whatever fashion they please, more power to you. I couldn't care LESS about what 2 consenting adults do together, that's their business.
I have no problem whatsoever with communities like Provincetown, or Northampton, which have either predominant or statistically higher % of gay couples. One knows in advance what to expect if they choose to visit that town, and so if I do, I don't make waves. Neither should anyone else.
But I REALLY have a problem, as I think most people do, with the concept of gay marriage. The term "discrimination" against gay marriage really shouldn't even apply?! It's another semantics game. Discrimination applys to race, creed, color, etc. It is equally disturbing to me to be accused of "discriminating" against gay marriage, as if someone were to tell me I shouldn't be "discriminating" against child molesters. Both are examples of BEHAVIOR. It is our absolute RIGHT to discriminate either against or for people based on their BEHAVIOR...... "Joe is a great guy" ..... "Sarah is like a sister to me"...... "Sam is a first class Ass hole". etc.
Gays seeking marriage rights means they want governmental and societal stamp of approval of their "behavior". That behavior, for nearly 5,000 years now, has been considered SIN in the eyes of people of Judeo-Christian, Muslim, and other faiths. And at least here in the U.S., while the 2nd amendment to our constitution states that "congress shall pass no law RESPECTING "A" religion .......", it DOESN"T say they shall pass no law RESPECTING RELIGION. Big difference.
I don't appreciate the damned UNELECTED Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court forcing this decision down my throat, 4 votes to 3. That's bull****. I don't appreciate the damned legislators in Massachusetts sitting on their fat litle asses on this issue when they could have and SHOULD have had the balls to deal with it 2 years ago, rather than letting it come to this, the self-serving, power hungry lazy ASSES didn't have the conviction to act.
Am I a bigot? I don't think so. Gay marriage is an assault on the values of the majority in favor of a minority that many feel is granting acceptance to immoral behavior. It would dilute and diminishes the value of marriage society places on the family unit headed by my wife and I, and between all husbands and wives. I'm live and let live. Go enjoy your life with your gay partner, I couldn't care less. But don't tell me that the gay lifestyle is an equally acceptable alternative lifestyle. And don't you dare teach my children that in school, that's my job not anyone elses.
And don't let gay propaganda say this has anything to do with equal rights. There already exists legal avenues for 2 people to share property rights, and address all those other concerns. They are only seeking social acceptance and legitimacy, the government's stamp of approval.
If you think this doesn't concern you because you don't live in Massachusetts, think again. It's called the full faith and credit provision of the constitution wherein different states honor licenses with other states, e.g. drivers licenses. This is entirely unchartered territory if we go here folks.
I just can't wait until May to turn on my tv to see the nightly news featuring today's "marriage" between husband and husband, and wife and wife.
Just ****ing beautiful.
02-11-2004 06:33 PM
***DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO A FIGHT***
PC1....I agree. I think the judges involved have an agenda, unfortunately.
Being tolerant(a preaching of gay activists) should also mean that one has to tolerate those who are not tolerant. However, activists do not see it this way, but rather if you are against them, then you are intolerant or homophobic or etc.
02-11-2004 06:37 PM
I could care less.....but my boyfriend might.
Seriously though, whatever floats there boats, just don't let it effect me....
02-11-2004 08:07 PM
the only thing i would point out here, is that the attitudes and beliefs about marriage and the family unit in this country are, at this point, laughable. whether or not you agree with gay marriage in principle is one thing, but i'm not sure it's valid to think that accepting gay marriage will somehow further tarnish this country's gilded views and strict adherence to the sanctity of what the ceremony is supposed to be about from a morally related approach.
i personally place more value on people making a lifelong commitment to eachother (regarless of gender), than to seeing people "marry" four or five times and completely demolish whatever significance the thing had to begin with, along with whatever beginnings of a family they were able to create every time they went through it.
so to reiterate, the only thing that makes me uncomfortable here is any kind of assumption that allowing gay marriage would somehow negatively impact the institution as a whole, because even with only heterosexual people involved, it's a complete and utter mess.
02-11-2004 08:38 PM
It's all political agenda, not personal feelings. You can't sit here and tell me that every single democrat running for office is for gay marriage any more than you can convince me that George Bush is for Mexican immigration. It's all about getting the votes.
02-11-2004 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge
I just think it's sad this is the hot topic right now. I'm completely against it but I can think of a 100 other issues that are more important.
02-11-2004 09:40 PM
Great post, PC1. Very well written.
02-11-2004 10:30 PM
I agree. Our government has made it too easy for couples to divorce by offering welfare, insurance, food stamps, etc. [not withstanding abusive situations] Allowing gay couples to "marry" would only further deteriorate the institution.
Originally Posted by Biggs
02-11-2004 10:37 PM
I'm not disagreeing with your statement. But personal feelings ARE what is driving this HIGHLY polarized issue. I haven't framed my discussion as Democrat v Republican, although it will be a contentious issue by November. Tom Finneran (D) the House Speaker and Mitt Romney (R) governor are both opposed to gay marriage. This issue transcends Dems v Rep.
Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge
02-11-2004 10:44 PM
Ya know I love you NPursuit, but I gotta disagree with you here bro. The economy is important, the war against terrorism & Iraq are important. Education, health care and our standing in the world are all important. But equally so is this issue, because it's part of the very fabric of our society that makes us what we are.
Originally Posted by NPursuit
02-11-2004 11:28 PM
Hey, I'm not discounting that a few folks out there might maintain some level of integrity, but explain to me why every single dem that is/was running for president decided that gay marriage was going to be an important issue and every single one of them was all for it. Seriously, they have comletely exploited this issue and are only doing it for votes. I guarantee that after November, regardless of the outcome, it will be four years until this is debated on the same level. It's a dog and pony show for votes and nothing else.
02-11-2004 11:39 PM
There is know way in hell that you can rationalize to me that core factors such as education, health care, the current war, and, as NP said, 100's of other issues should be not only on the same level as, but overshadowed by whether gays should marry. If people are too ignorant to see that this is just a political tactic for gaining an advantage of a voter demographic then I am a very very worried man. Just wait until Big Al drops out of th race. These guys are going to be sucking his dick for his endorsement so that they can gain the black vote, and like I said before with Bush, a man who came out of the gate his first year fighting terrorism and screaming to close the borders all of the sudden decides that Mexican illegals are OK by him. This is nothing but a strategy of gaining Latin votes and after this election you will never hear of this again.
02-12-2004 12:07 AM
Binge.....You are going a little off topic. Of course, there are many other issues that are important to the United States as a country. However, homosexual marriage addresses the spirituality/faith of many citizens. Consequently, religious individuals feel this issue is more important than anything else, as many will choose faith over life.
Marriage is a holy and religious rite. Marriage is a religious act of the very highest kind, one of the seven sacraments. Challenging this sacrement is challenging the very essence of ones faith.
02-12-2004 12:17 AM
Marriage is a 50/50 shot in this country. Marriage is a coinflip. Marriage is so sacred that divorce is a way of life.
Originally Posted by size
Not everyone has strong religious beliefs. I could be wrong here too, but I thought the Seven Sacraments was a Catholic thing, a religion that this country has a strong history of despising.
02-12-2004 12:23 AM
Divorce is unfortunate and part of a slippery slope that has evolved in this country. The next slip will be homosexual marriage, and afterwards the slope will become a cliff.
I ask you this. Let us assume homosexual marriage becomes accepted. What comes next? Why not polygamy or polyandry? Why not incest marriages? etc.
02-12-2004 12:31 AM
Size that **** already goes on in remote parts of Utah.
02-12-2004 12:36 AM
Yes but that is not in tune with the rationale of the question. Gay marriages certainly go on in parts of the USA under the same sort of cloud.
Originally Posted by sifu
02-12-2004 12:43 AM
I know, but truely I avoid that type of thing. It is a no win situation for both sides of the fence.
02-12-2004 01:44 AM
if the concept of marriage was so important to the religious people of america the american "family" would not be so radically different now than it was even a generation ago. already mentioned the divorce rates etc, so no need to rehash that.
on the other side, we've got how it's being used as a hot button issue. i cannot watch the news and feel this is not the case, to a large degree. it has become an "accepted" issue of which to debate every nook and cranny, if at least only to kill time and add meat to the pseudo debates, hoopla, and bull****. abortion is a much more important and relevant topic, but nobody will touch that one with any kind of depth. it comes election time, so let's all run to the middle, and see how closely we can sit without quite touching, as we take only marginally different stances on various unimportant issues (that will nonetheless draw viewers). the american people should NOT be given credit for being smarter than we think they are, because on the whole they are NOT educated, and they are NOT significantly religious, in the real sense of the word. they are NOT accepting of their fellow man/woman, they are NOT polite, generous, or caring except selectively to those closest to them, they are NOT tolerant. america is a land of bigotry and ignorance, especially about issues like this (observe its history). in fact, those who claim to be the most religious are often the most backward in their thinking (anyone who has lived or spent any real time in the bible belt with an open eye to the hypocrisy will understand). so, the issues become whatever is on television at the time.
now i am not "america bashing", as there are many unique qualities that this country possesses in abundance, that set it far ahead of any other in the world. but, the distortion of the political process by the media absolutely disgusts me.
02-12-2004 01:53 AM
Originally Posted by Biggs
Sadly true, especially due to the bias on major network news.
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