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    Ryan Howard became the youngest player in MLB history and played the fewest games of any player to reach 200 HR's.

    If anyone can dethrone the fraud Barry Bonds it will be Howard.....or Pujols. Longevity and consistency is key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam23294 View Post
    Ryan Howard became the youngest player in MLB history and played the fewest games of any player to reach 200 HR's.

    If anyone can dethrone the fraud Barry Bonds it will be Howard.....or Pujols. Longevity and consistency is key.
    Have you given up on Ken Griffey?

    I also think Fielder has a hell of a chance if weight doesn't become (more of) an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Have you given up on Ken Griffey?

    I also think Fielder has a hell of a chance if weight doesn't become (more of) an issue.
    Man I'd LOVE to see Griffey as the all-time HR leader. If he'd been healthy for most of his later career I don't think we'd be having this conversation.

    As of right now I'd throw Fielder's hat into the ring, but Howard and Pujols have already been somewhat battle-tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam23294 View Post
    Ryan Howard became the youngest player in MLB history and played the fewest games of any player to reach 200 HR's.

    If anyone can dethrone the fraud Barry Bonds it will be Howard.....or Pujols. Longevity and consistency is key.

    A-fraud will more likely be the the one to dethrone buckethead.

    I agree on Jr though.If he hadn't been so injury prone,he would've blown bucket out of the water.
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    Yeah...it sucks that Gay-Rod will probably be the next 700 guy. Hope Pujols can keep his career on track. We'll all be able to say we've seen "the greatest there ever was"...

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ujolal01.shtml

    Unreal. If he can keep it up, my statement above might just pan out to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    A-fraud will more likely be the the one to dethrone buckethead.
    Unfortunately you're right. At least anybody who knows anything about "baseball the way it should be played" will know Ass-Rod is as big of a cheater that Bonds was. The only difference is that Ass-Rod won't actually be on gears when he breaks the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    We'll all be able to say we've seen "the greatest there ever was"...
    That seems to be current consensus as of right now.
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    Not to take anything away from Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, Ted Williams, Jimmy Foxx, Barroid* or any of the other guys who might lay claim to the "Best Ever" throne......but this Pujols cat came right outta the gate his rookie year mashing and he hasn't missed a beat since. Would be cool to see him continue to progress and get to the level of those all-timers.
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    Absolutely. When you take in to account the differences as far as strength training, conditioning, etc between today's players and the legends, I don't think the two can be compared. Obviously there's no way to tell how much better they could've done if they'd had access to what today's players have, but you gotta think that if Babe or Willie had a team trainer that it would have made some kind of difference.

    Hell, Babe Ruth used to slam hot dogs and beer before games then go out and hit 714 HR's. Those players were true grit and guts.
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    While we're doing "what ifs" you've gotta wonder what the Babe's career would look like (and what all the record books might look like) if MLB was integrated with black and hispanic players back in those days.

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    Agreed. Players like Satchel, Cool Papa Bell, Josh Gibson, etc really got hosed. There's no blacks or hispanics in the record books from that era simply because baseball wasn't integrated yet. No doubt the talent was there though.
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    Pretty much. Tearing my heart out, inch by inch, all summer.

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    So...........looks like Maurice Jones-Drew is creeping up pretty high on some fantasy draftboards. Interesting. Hope Brandon Jacobs can play all 16 this year.
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    I'd like to see these old great hitters hit in today's game.

    Back then they didn't have 3 or 4 flame throwers coming out of the pen in the later innings. You faced the same tired pitcher the whole game, 4 or 5 at bats against the same guy.

    Not to take anything away but it's a lot harder to hit in today's game I think. This is why you'll probably never see a .400 hitter or a triple crown winner again.

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    Pujols has a decent shot at the Triple Crown, but the HR's and RBI might start slowing down as managers across the NL collectively pull their heads out of their asses and start walking him almost everytime...as they should.

    I think there's something to what you were saying though. Baseball is such a technical game...things are so specific, that players/teams/coaches/etc are so much more specialized and advanced now.
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    Word. And there are a lot of good hitters out there that for one guy to win each of those 3 categories is pretty damn hard.

    Bonds walked over 200 times one year. I don't understand why they keep pitching to Pujols. He's that locked in this year.
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    I think Pujols will miss the Triple Crown only by average...

    Homeruns and RBIs should be a lock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Start walking him almost everytime...as they should.
    Wow... never seen someone who really enjoys baseball want to take the bat out of the best baseball players hands. Even when a phenom pitches against my team, I just lavish watching him pitch. Lincecum killed our lineup, but it was fantastic to watch him hurl the ball.

    I hate intentional walks across the board... pitch the damn ball, or pull up your panties and go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Wow... never seen someone who really enjoys baseball want to take the bat out of the best baseball players hands. Even when a phenom pitches against my team, I just lavish watching him pitch. Lincecum killed our lineup, but it was fantastic to watch him hurl the ball.

    I hate intentional walks across the board... pitch the damn ball, or pull up your panties and go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Wow... never seen someone who really enjoys baseball want to take the bat out of the best baseball players hands. Even when a phenom pitches against my team, I just lavish watching him pitch. Lincecum killed our lineup, but it was fantastic to watch him hurl the ball.

    I hate intentional walks across the board... pitch the damn ball, or pull up your panties and go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    I think Pujols will miss the Triple Crown only by average...

    Homeruns and RBIs should be a lock.
    See, I'm thinking the opposite. As the walks start piling up (if NL managers have a brain in their heads, they will) it'll be harder for him to keep up the HR's and RBI...while at the same time, it may help him keep his average high. Guys like Fielder, Ibanez, Howard, etc might be able to catch up in HR and RBI while Pujols is taking 4 wide ones.
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    I hated when they walked Bonds all the time.

    However, it's the opposing managers job to win the game, not to entertain the fans and lose.

    If Pujols gets walked a lot his average will stay high.

    Bonds's average was .370 and .362 when he was walked 198 and 232 times respectively. Had he not been walked that much there's no way he would've finished with that average.
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    I might as well be the first one to report on this. Mark Buehrle threw a perfect game against the Rays today. 27 hitters up, 27 hitters down. No walks, no hits, no runs.....perfect.

    F*ck Mark Buehrle. I'll grant him that it's a historic event which rarely happens and is considered a crown jewel of a pitcher's career. However, I hate the Sh!te Sox and I hate their manager and I hate what they stand for. They're whole team is a bunch of thugs and their fans are thugs too.

    There's no sour grapes here because it was against the Rays. Their offense just took a diarrhea today. Total butt-piss. They should've been able to get something off Buehrle because he's really NOT all that good. But today he was perfect.
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    I'd take a guy like Buerhle anyday. Dude gives you 200+ innings every year, is 42 games over .500 for his career with a lifetime ERA of 3.78. 10 seasons played, 9 of them with a winning record. Not to mention the no-no AND the perfecto. Starting to amass quite the resume.
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    Buehrle is a pretty solid pitcher... Not an overly dominant guy, but turns in solid season after solid season. I wouldn't mind him on my team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    I'd take a guy like Buerhle anyday. Dude gives you 200+ innings every year, is 42 games over .500 for his career with a lifetime ERA of 3.78. 10 seasons played, 9 of them with a winning record. Not to mention the no-no AND the perfecto. Starting to amass quite the resume.
    We're on the same page. Pretty solid resume, and he's still reasonably young! Could conceivably get the 200 career wins and MAYBE 2000 Ks - plus the lifetime WHIP is a solid 1.26.... 200 wins and 2000 Ks would carve out a spot in the Hall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam23294 View Post
    They should've been able to get something off Buehrle because he's really NOT all that good.
    I take it back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    We're on the same page. Pretty solid resume, and he's still reasonably young! Could conceivably get the 200 career wins and MAYBE 2000 Ks - plus the lifetime WHIP is a solid 1.26.... 200 wins and 2000 Ks would carve out a spot in the Hall.
    Man, even though he's thrown the no-no and the perfecto.....he just doesn't seem like "one of those guys" that would come up with HOF talk to me. But, I think you're right...if you can pitch your way to 200 W's and 2,000 K's with a good ERA and a ring on your finger....just might get in.
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    Video of Buehrle talking to President Obama.

    http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/news/ar...=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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    Buehrle is going to retire in a couple of years. Fam is more important to him.

    He could be the last pitcher to make it "near or beyond" 300 wins IMO with his stuff. Workhorse year in and year out, smooth delivery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Man, even though he's thrown the no-no and the perfecto.....he just doesn't seem like "one of those guys" that would come up with HOF talk to me. But, I think you're right...if you can pitch your way to 200 W's and 2,000 K's with a good ERA and a ring on your finger....just might get in.
    Yep, got the ring - and played a huge role for their championship squad.

    He's definitely a sneaky prospect for the HOF, but like you said - how do you say no to that resume?

    Also, this has only been the 18th perfect game in MLB HISTORY!!! That's nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Also, this has only been the 18th perfect game in MLB HISTORY!!! That's nuts.
    And the first in 5 years after Big Unit.

  

  
 

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