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    Heh your right i just thought about it and realized that somehow they will manage to sneek some atomic bombs backon us or some other country might get pissed.

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    Crowler go back and reread YJ last post... he was saying that Bush needs to either shut up with the threats or do it.. not pjorstad
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    Originally posted by Matthew D
    Crowler go back and reread YJ last post... he was saying that Bush needs to either shut up with the threats or do it.. not pjorstad

    OOPs he says as he whipes the egg off his face.

    BTW who keeps giving me Karma on my posts.

    I don't mind it but is there any way to find out.

    Heh I think I actually got some on the posts that got deleted.
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    Originally posted by CROWLER


    Ok so since you are a mod you can tell a member to keep your ****in mouth shut.

    But I can not say "I agree with everyone who doesnt have their heads shoved up their ass" or you will delete it???

    Why I did NOT direct this at anyone.

    Your post was directly at a member.

    What is up with that sensorship???

    Umm....yea. Go back and re-read that drama queen and its actually Censorship.
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    Originally posted by CROWLER


    AH Y/J you aren't still made at me about the ginger root post are ya bro.

    Come on life is too short to get upset it's only a BB forum bro.

    You gotta role with the smack talk or you'll be old before your time

    Take the example of Bean he doesn't take it personal. RELAX
    Ummm.... I dont take it personal "bro". Like I said, I started this thread for ****s and giggles and if anyone takes it personal, thats your problem not the bees
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    Haha this thead is a perfect example of the fact that ROID rage and post cycle FEMININE EMOTIONS(due to anti-estrogens and lowered test) is in fact TRUE.
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    Originally posted by pjorstad
    Haha this thead is a perfect example of the fact that ROID rage and post cycle FEMININE EMOTIONS(due to anti-estrogens and lowered test) is in fact TRUE.
    Please explain this one....Im lost.
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    Originally posted by pjorstad
    Haha this thead is a perfect example of the fact that ROID rage and post cycle FEMININE EMOTIONS(due to anti-estrogens and lowered test) is in fact TRUE.

    BRO YOU are Correct sir.
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    Christ man, you need some Valium, you talk way too much and you're turning this thread into useless post whoring.
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    Originally posted by Big H
    Anyone who wants anarchy is foolish IMO. Less strict government fine; but anarchy- yea right.
    hell yeah...

    Most people who want anarchy have absolutely no conception of how it really could be
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    Originally posted by Bean


    hell yeah...

    Most people who want anarchy have absolutely no conception of how it really could be
    Thats exactly right. And those morbid, mediocre citizens who do everything they're told by the government have no idea either. With all the restrictions placed on people these days, no one knows what it would be like to be free and do what you want.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Thats exactly right. And those morbid, mediocre citizens who do everything they're told by the government have no idea either. With all the restrictions placed on people these days, no one knows what it would be like to be free and do what you want.
    I'm free to do a lot of things that i can't in another country

    Although being here and being an avid poster in the roid forum is plenty of proof i don't believe everything the government tells me... but you sir are taking it to an extreme amount... you don't believe ANYTHING from OUR government; but seems like you take info from every other government with open arms...

    Anarchy is what humanity was all about before the major civs started popping up and evolving... You don't have a concept of anarchy because there hasn't been one in your lifetime nor ever will be. Its only our imaginations on how it could be and I think you're going on the bit extreme side

    With anarchy you wouldn't be posting on this forum right now... with anarchy roids as they are known about now would not exists.... with anarchy the bodybuilding community would not exist and most of us wouldn't know a damn thing about it...

    with anarchy there is no law and there is no social order; without that social order the many things that YOU and I take for granted would not exist... can you imagine not being able to take a **** inside a bathroom but going to an outhouse? ever had to do that? i have and it sucks...
    do you actually believe people would ban together in a world full of anarchy? sure they would; they would ban together to form communities; which would form together to become nations/civilizations... and those nations would have GOVERNMENTS just like we have now...

    yup i'm talking in circles; but i'm sure you can see how it goes i think governments like this are just natural evolution... anarchy isn't... there may be evolution of the body but not of the mind in anarchy (that whole survival of the fittest thing which you seem to be a full believer)
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Yes and put his ass on a plane and fly him over there to fight and I think his mind would change real quick. [/b]
    I'm sure he would do just that if he could be of any help, but he is not a trained soldier. It is not a job delegated to him. His job, among others, is to be the top commander of the military, NOT participate. He, nor any of our presidents, enjoyed or made the decision lightly to go to war (and actually, that's not even a power of the president). It's never a pleasant thing when deaths occur.

    We have an all volunteer military force. Those guys and gals knew exactly what the military was for when they signed up; they knew there was a chance that something could happen, and they would have to go to war. They accepted this fact when they enlisted. There is no dilusion here. They signed up to fight for our country.


    First off NOTHING justifies taking another person's life. No one on this earth can do that and get away with it. A good reason to take someone's life, thats hilarious. There's no such thing as a good reason to kill someone. Those dirty ****ers killed 1,000's of Americans, nothing justifies that, but it served its purpose. Its pretty ****ty a country has to kill that many people just to be listened to huh?
    Nothing justifies it? What about self-defense? Isn't defending your national interests self-defense? If something threatens the lives or well-being of a government's citizens, then they are justified to protect them by whatever means necessary. This is very unfortunate, but, occasionally it gets to this point. But, the one provoking the action, in this case Iraq and/or terrorists, is to blame.



    The playing field is fair now because we think about what we do everyday. Americans now value their lives more than ever. We pay attention to petty countries because we now see what they're capable of. We've oppressed so many countries for so long, maybe times are changing?
    The playing field isn't fair, nor will it ever be, with those kind of actions. How can an organization commit an atrocity such as that, and run back into hiding? That's not very fair, is it?

    And we have not oppressed countries. We promote capitalism and democracy. I fail to see how we oppress when we promote freedom.


    I'll give you a few. How many times have we went into a country and set up shop to prepare to raid a boarding country? a ****load of times. How many countries do we have "bases" in now to prepare for attack? Many. And if they dont let us in their country to set up bases, they better fear for their lives huh? No one questions or contradicts America by god, you'll feel the wrath of George Bush
    Who says those bases are necessarily for attack? Sure, if the need arose, they would be used for attack, but did it ever occur that maybe those bases are there because the people of the respective countries want them there? Prince Sultan AirBase is in Saudi Arabia because the Saudis want their borders protected.

    If the governments of those nations did not want us there, we would not be there. And we would not bomb them just because they didn't want us there.


    But dont you see? By taking these steps, there's psycho's out there in planes ready to crash into buildings. Bush is killing off his own country by trying to prove himself.
    Bush is not responsible for the actions of irrational extremists who have no regard for human life. Personal responsibility. You take responsibility for your own actions.

    Bush may be making more extremists mad by taking a hardline approach to terrorism, but what's the alternative? Ignoring it? Talking it out? No, they want to kill us, kill the "Great Satan". Unfortunately, what it's basically come down to, is us or them.


    Whoa! So we dont get foods, oils, automobiles, soliders, etc from other countries, could have fooled me.
    Some, yes, but who has the biggest economy in the world, with the exception of Hong Kong and Japan, and therefore, the most productive companies? We do.


    Oh we havent misused them? What about all those tests we've ran to test our nukes out aye? The Barbi Islands will be a wasteland for 30,000 more years. What about when we nuked Japan? I thought you said earlier a country can defend itself without the use of nukes? Guess we cant. We have a goverment bent on letting everyone know we're in charge.
    Sure, we've misused them. As I said, we've made mistakes. We were the first to develop and test the bomb, so we found out, firsthand, exactly why others SHOULDN'T develop them.

    Yes, a country can defend itself without a nuke. We did just fine defending ourselves after Pearl Harbor, and so did Japan. We used the bomb to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of our men. Us or them. So much for our administrations not caring about our soldiers.



    Another double standard. Your critical of other countries who do the same ignorant **** as we do. What gives us the right to do it and not them?
    I'm not sure what you're referring to here.


    I wouldnt say "blind side" we had it coming. The US government knew of Bin Laden, and didnt do anything about him, so their own ingorance cost a lot of American's their lives. And besides, what do you expect Afghanistan to do? I doubt we'll let them make missles or plans to do anything on their own.
    Something was bound to happen sooner or later, but we didn't "have it coming". It was an atrocity, and for what? What did they prove? That they're raving lunatics who have no regard for the lives of others?


    Against who? We have the greatest Military in the world, why do we have to make nukes? Surely not for ****s and giggles. I think us having nukes is jsut to say we do, so other countries will fear us. N. Korea is just lelveling the playing field by having some of their own, nothing wrong with that.
    What do you mean, against who? You made a statement to the effect of "we are taking away the powers of others to defend themselves", and I said no we're not, N. Korea can defend itself just fine without nukes.

    We have a stockpile of nukes, but I'm not sure that we manufacture anymore.

    There is something wrong with N. Korea having nukes, because they are anti-U.S., and extreme. Nukes+extremists=bad news.



    We used nukes to kill thousands upon thousands of people, why cant Korea use them to get what they need done done? Oh wait another double standard. Its ok for us to do it, but no one else.
    Dude, please tell me you didn't just say this. We used a nuke, and BTW, a very weak nuke compared to today's nukes, to end a very long, very serious, and very costly war. We wanted to end it without having to lose anymore of our boys.

    WTF does N. Korea need to use a nuke for???? They don't. There is no war where the fate of the world hangs in the balance, like there was when we used it.


    Just the beginning of communism my friend.
    Probably true.


    Not true. Everyone is sick of our ****. We're constantly wanting war with someone and expecting to be backed up EVERY time. Thats bull****.
    If everyone is sick of our ****, then why are they backing us if Saddam does not comply?

    When have we ever gone and started a war just to start a war?


    Tell me this, how many terrorist attacks occured on America when Clinton was president? None. Maybe we need him back. Maybe he'd do his job. And the terrorists obviously had no trouble sneaking as Bush is our leader although he knew of the Al Queda's activity, just neglected to do anything, probably had a hunting trip or something that weekend, oh well, he and his family are ok, thats all that matters.
    There may have been terrorist attacks, we just may not know of them. We rarely hear of the ones that are thwarted

    Clinton had an oppurtunity to bring Bin Ladin in from the Sudanese, but he DECLINED, stating that there was not enough evidence. Maybe he was too busy getting it on with interns to see how important this issue was.

    They didn't sneak in BECAUSE Bush is our president. They snuck in because of past intelligence failures that Bush INHERITED when he took over the presidency. He had been president for only a short period of time.


    What a great job he's doing. Indirectly killing his own people. We should all praise him
    What's better, taking a hardline approach to terrorism and fighting it, or letting them kill us? I'd prefer the former.
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    Originally posted by pjorstad
    Haha this thead is a perfect example of the fact that ROID rage and post cycle FEMININE EMOTIONS(due to anti-estrogens and lowered test) is in fact TRUE.
    I'll have you know I'm off androgens for now.

    Now I'm going to give you a hard time.

    How can feminine emotions be present, when anti-estrogens are being taken, to either block formation of estrogen completely, or bind to the estrogen receptors to prevent estrogen from exerting its effects?
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket
    Capitalism suppresses my options in life bcause I come from a low income family, thats bad enough.
    Nope, capitalism and democracy allows you to do basically whatever you want as far as taking a direction in life and earning a living. If you want to work at McDonald's, you can do that. If you want to start your own company, you can do that. If you want to go to college and study ancient Mycenean culture, you can do that.

    My family used to be dirt-poor Georgia trailer trash, but we turned our bar of lead into gold. Anyone can do it.

    As an example of what REAL oppression is, one of my former professors is Chinese. He was tested by the government, and TOLD what field he was to go into. He had no choice.
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    How many of you have studied History or Political Science as an undergrad/post-graduate concentration? I see so many inaccuracies here its mindboggling and there are just too many too correct. The Clinton argument is the most ridiculous notion I've ever heard. I won't go into to it because I could write a book on it. I would like to know how Bush unlawfully used force or violence against anyone or group for the purpose of intimidation to coerce ideological or political gains (definition of terrorism if you didn't know).

    YJ you know this is never personal but most anti-government proponents preach nothing but complete garbage. Its a refuge for those too lazy to think rationally and full of emotionally driven people with clouded judgements based on complete paranoia. Anarchy produces death of culture, people and everything surrounding it.


    The picture itself looks like third world propaganda.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Thats the way this country was intended from the start.
    Wrong. This country was oringinally a republic with an elite leading class that mirrored the monarchy they escaped. They could care less about anyone but themsevles. Check out Bacons Rebellion. At one point free blacks were valued higher than former indentured servants (whites).

    One of the several mistakes stated throughout this thread. Its late and I'm bored
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket
    **** that, you can have your petty country and its powertriping government.
    Would you like to live in Finland where 65% of your paycheck goes to the government? This is just one example. If your wondering, the US takes the least.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Well if he cant and doesnt have the athority to prevent it in America, how the hell's he going to do it in other countries? By threatenening them? No one takes this dumbass serious anymore, he's all talk.



    So other countries dont have the right to be pissed at him and the US? Scroll back up and look at the number of lives we've taken, you expect other countries to sit there and take it because we're the "supreme dominate country" At least the Al Queda is doing something to make the playing field fair.

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    Every time we've invaded a country its been pointless and all for not, jsut got a few hundred troops killed here and there, no big deal, he doesnt care, its not his life.

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    If we were truly thriving and successful, we wouldnt be trying to step on other countries for petty reasons. The reason we are doing well is BECAUSE of those other countries that provide us with the necessities we need to live and what do we give them in return? Some products and a couple missles.



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    I agree and maybe Bush should think about this next time he wants to attack another country, he might win the battle, but he'll NEVER win the war. Theres too many countries that hate us now and out to get us or aid those who will get us..... we'll have Bush to thank in a couple years

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    Whos to say we wont misues them? And if we did say that, who would stop us? No one. We're the big dog of the world and we want it to be known, thats lame. Who's to judge a radical goverment? I think our government is radical? Everyone is so blind by what they here on television and what theyre being told by our goverment.



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    LoL...theres a hundred countries that are Anti-US. Even the UN is backing out, everyone's tired of our ****. Tired of our desperation to get back the respect we lost when we lost the Trade Centers. Get over it, they got the better of us. End of story. If anyting it should open the goverment's eyes to listen to them. That was the whole point anyways. Instead of listening, Bush is out to kill more people, like a 6 year old on the playground. You're not going to win the world's favortism by bombing and raiding them

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    And what a great job he's doing. "If they dont agree with us, we'll just kill some of their people and threaten their rights and ability to defend themselves"



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    So uhhh......any idea why we have them?




    This nation is still weak, always will be. Bush keeps making enemies for us and we'll have to reap the concenquesnces of HIS actions and thats bull****. Thats what this lovely goverment is doing for us all. We elected Gore and got Bush and look what he's doing for us? We're living in fear because of that piece of ****. Congrats if you voted for him, you've ****ed us all. [/B]
    1. You can't compare how many lives we've taken. If you do that then put the Catholic Church number one on the list. They wiped out 90% of the indigenous Mexican population in the name of conversion. THats just a small part.

    2. Everytim we've invaded a country? Does that mean France, Italy, Germany during WWII or places like Guatamala, Panama, and Nicaragua? Each one I could see benefits and disadvantages.

    3. Foget it, I'm too damn tired...You got me thinking though YJ. You accomplished your goal...Time to hit the sack.
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    Originally posted by Bean


    I'm free to do a lot of things that i can't in another country
    Are you? For how much longer? Do you just sit back and let them do what they want? Did you e-mail congress about the PH ban? Times are changing my friend.....

    but you sir are taking it to an extreme amount... you don't believe ANYTHING from OUR government; but seems like you take info from every other government with open arms...


    Quote me a post I made that said I believe what the Afghan. or Iraq or any other country's government says. If you'd actually go back and read, you'll see that I stated I dont stand for formalization of government, no matter who's it is. I cant believe wha every other government says, because I dont live there, you think our government will allow us to hear the views and thoughts and truths of other countries government? ha.

    You don't have a concept of anarchy because there hasn't been one in your lifetime nor ever will be. Its only our imaginations on how it could be and I think you're going on the bit extreme side


    Thats your opinion brother, and its appreciated, but I wouldnt call me extreme, just opening up the other door in life, love it or hate it. I dont have a concept of Anarchy, just as I dont have a concept of true freedom. I pay ****ing taxes every month because some white trash americans wont get off their lazy ass and get a ****ing job. Thats freedom? It costs an awful lot to live here if Im free. If it were freedom, I would have a choice about paying taxes because its MY right to choose NOT to help those who refuse to help themselves.

    With anarchy you wouldn't be posting on this forum right now... with anarchy roids as they are known about now would not exists.... with anarchy the bodybuilding community would not exist and most of us wouldn't know a damn thing about it...


    Thats where I can not argue with you because you have no idea what anarchy is about. Anarchy to you is what you hear on TV and what books portray of it. Savage men running around killing and taking eachother's wives and money.....sure that could happen, but it could happen now if people wanted it to. Why wouldnt bodybuilding exist? Do you think you would be standing around with a gun guarding your house 24-7? Nope. Theres a big difference between chaos and anarchy.

    with anarchy there is no law and there is no social order; without that social order the many things that YOU and I take for granted would not exist... can you imagine not being able to take a **** inside a bathroom but going to an outhouse? ever had to do that? i have and it sucks...


    wtf? How out of context is this? With anarchy, all the bathrooms wont disappear. Inovation wont subside. Anarchy is a form of government where there is no government. Thats anarchy, what people choose to do with no laws is up to them, those actions arent anarchy. (On a side note: Im from WV brother, Ive **** in a few outhouses)


    do you actually believe people would ban together in a world full of anarchy? sure they would; they would ban together to form communities; which would form together to become nations/civilizations... and those nations would have GOVERNMENTS just like we have now...


    Wait......how do you have a concept of anarchy and I dont? How come you can predict the future with anarchy and I cant? If you instill anarchy in a certain area, people would only be foolish to form a government and granted you would have people trying to do that. But Im sure it wouldnt last long when some others realized what restrictions governments place on your life.
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    Originally posted by SirSavageX


    I'm sure he would do just that if he could be of any help, but he is not a trained soldier. It is not a job delegated to him. His job, among others, is to be the top commander of the military, NOT participate. He, nor any of our presidents, enjoyed or made the decision lightly to go to war (and actually, that's not even a power of the president). It's never a pleasant thing when deaths occur.


    So his job is to basically tell others to go over there and defend the country he runs and it may cost them their lives and inevitably it will cost many their lives. Sounds like a dictator to me. Bus enjoys war. He jumps at every chance he gets to ship some troops out. Maybe someone could explain this to him if he would listen.

    We have an all volunteer military force. Those guys and gals knew exactly what the military was for when they signed up; they knew there was a chance that something could happen, and they would have to go to war. They accepted this fact when they enlisted. There is no dilusion here. They signed up to fight for our country.


    So ****'em right? They're not educated enough to attend college, wealthy enough to start a business, disciplined enough to hold a job. Oh well, we'll **** there ass to Irag and make them fight for us. The way this ****ty government is ran, the military is the only way people can afford to live anymore. If you dont go to college, you might as well join the Army. Everyone of my friends joined out of high school. No one here can afford to go to college nor have the grades. So thats their ONLY option if they wish to live.



    Nothing justifies it? What about self-defense? Isn't defending your national interests self-defense? If something threatens the lives or well-being of a government's citizens, then they are justified to protect them by whatever means necessary. This is very unfortunate, but, occasionally it gets to this point. But, the one provoking the action, in this case Iraq and/or terrorists, is to blame.


    NOTHING justifys taking someone's life.Who are YOU to take another life? Life is the ultimate price to pay. Defending your interests by murdering someone, sounds kind of cruel to me. Theres no better way to work things out? Or is the other way too time consuming and it would be much easier just to kill them as negostiate and maybe have to sacrifice something. Ok now wait..... you say "occasionally it gets to this point" So why are you pissed thousands of people died in NY? The US government listens and pays attention now right? SO that had to be done to get their attention, so maybe it wasnt really a tragedy huh? (I hope a lot of people hate me after this one )




    The playing field isn't fair, nor will it ever be, with those kind of actions. How can an organization commit an atrocity such as that, and run back into hiding? That's not very fair, is it?


    You have to hide when you have 1K troops and not allowed to posess missles, airplanes, etc. The Afghan nation isnt poor by anymeans, they can afford a military, but the US sanctions wont allow them to do so, that seems fair huh?

    And we have not oppressed countries. We promote capitalism and democracy. I fail to see how we oppress when we promote freedom.


    Promote freedom? Riiiight. To what extent and to whom? Dont believe everything you see on TV. Look at all the countries we have sanctions against and wont allow them to do things ON THEIR OWN GOD DAMN GROUNDS. Promote capitalism, thats the first problem right there.....



    Who says those bases are necessarily for attack? Sure, if the need arose, they would be used for attack, but did it ever occur that maybe those bases are there because the people of the respective countries want them there? Prince Sultan AirBase is in Saudi Arabia because the Saudis want their borders protected.


    I think in real life we all know why those bases are there, regardless of what our government preaches, we know why they're there. Just like Cuba denying that Russia sent tons after tons of weapons there to house, we all know they're full of ****...

    [qouote]If the governments of those nations did not want us there, we would not be there. And we would not bomb them just because they didn't want us there.[/quote]

    No we wouldnt, but you better bet your sweet as there would be "sanctions" against that country. You know thats the truth. Any country who doesnt agree with us, we sanction, Seems so childish to me. Such a big mouth on such a little man leading this country.



    Bush is not responsible for the actions of irrational extremists who have no regard for human life. Personal responsibility. You take responsibility for your own actions.


    Isnt that Anarchy? I believe so.

    Bush may be making more extremists mad by taking a hardline approach to terrorism, but what's the alternative? Ignoring it? Talking it out? No, they want to kill us, kill the "Great Satan". Unfortunately, what it's basically come down to, is us or them.


    Thats what they want you to believe. I think our national defense is good enough where no one's going to enter our country and take over. So mind your own business and concentrate on the country you lead is what I say. They dont want us killed, they want HIM killed.

    Sure, we've misused them. As I said, we've made mistakes. We were the first to develop and test the bomb, so we found out, firsthand, exactly why others SHOULDN'T develop them.


    You jsut said above: "have me misused them, no" Why shouldnt they? Because they're capable of mass destruction? So why do we continue to produce them and become interested in them?

    Yes, a country can defend itself without a nuke. We did just fine defending ourselves after Pearl Harbor, and so did Japan. We used the bomb to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of our men. Us or them. So much for our administrations not caring about our soldiers.


    Still doesnt answer why we have them and continue to have them in production. Maybe Bush is afraid oneday he'll have to reap what he sows huh?


    Something was bound to happen sooner or later, but we didn't "have it coming". It was an atrocity, and for what? What did they prove? That they're raving lunatics who have no regard for the lives of others?


    We had it coming, just as we had pearl harbor coming. You act like a dick to people, you're going to get your ass blind isded eventually, this also applies in war. I dont doubt those actions were ignorant and uncalled for, but you gotta do what you gotta do. If thats the only way this country will listen (and it obviously is) then its up to you, but like I said before, it sure in the hell doesnt justify killing thousands......



    What do you mean, against who? You made a statement to the effect of "we are taking away the powers of others to defend themselves", and I said no we're not, N. Korea can defend itself just fine without nukes.


    I wont touch this, this is too grey for me and you as well. Neither of us know the true capabilities of another countries military. sure on the news it makes N. Korea out to be some type of powerhouse and a country to fear, but thats only designed to make the American people happy when we go over there and kill a few of them.


    There is something wrong with N. Korea having nukes, because they are anti-U.S., and extreme. Nukes+extremists=bad news.


    Wonder why they're anti-US? Im sick of everyone taking our governments side because this is where we live. People are scared ****less to speak out and oppose something. I for one wont live my lifei n the dark being told what to do and what to believe in. N. Korea hates us, big ****ing deal. I dont give a **** that they're making nukes, what are they going to do? Throw them over here? We obviously did something to piss them off, let them makes nukes, we have some. Why can we have them and not N. Korea? Thats a big advancement for that country, so be it.


    Dude, please tell me you didn't just say this. We used a nuke, and BTW, a very weak nuke compared to today's nukes, to end a very long, very serious, and very costly war. We wanted to end it without having to lose anymore of our boys.


    Thats great. For countries like N. Korea who dont have a booming economy, they makes nukes to end a costly war before it starts, nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

    WTF does N. Korea need to use a nuke for???? They don't. There is no war where the fate of the world hangs in the balance, like there was when we used it.


    You're being such a typical American. What does anyone need a ****ing nuke for? You never answered my question anyways....why can we have them, but no one else? No one needs them. But if they make them, fine, leave them alone and maybe they wont use them ON YOU. Why do people need handguns? Self-Defense brother.


    If everyone is sick of our ****, then why are they backing us if Saddam does not comply?


    Because if they dont, they'll get the dreaded sanctions.

    When have we ever gone and started a war just to start a war?


    Desert storm, and thats the only one in my lifetime. But the way it sounds (not from anyone's standpoint, nor our Govt. or any other) We have participated in wars where we didnt belong in the past.

    There may have been terrorist attacks, we just may not know of them. We rarely hear of the ones that are thwarted


    I think you would hear about little Judy farting in church these day and age.

    Clinton had an oppurtunity to bring Bin Ladin in from the Sudanese, but he DECLINED, stating that there was not enough evidence. Maybe he was too busy getting it on with interns to see how important this issue was.


    Yea maybe but Im not getting on the issue of extra marital affairs, its not my business nor your's. Clinton was actually rational, didnt look forward to war, didnt like sending OUR brother and sisters and mothers and fathers to foreign countries to be miserable and potentially die. And for what? Die for ****in what? A flag with your name on it? **** that.


    What's better, taking a hardline approach to terrorism and fighting it, or letting them kill us? I'd prefer the former.
    Id prefer minding our own business and avoiding it all together.
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    Nope, capitalism and democracy allows you to do basically whatever you want as far as taking a direction in life and earning a living. If you want to work at McDonald's, you can do that. If you want to start your own company, you can do that. If you want to go to college and study ancient Mycenean culture, you can do that.


    We all know in capitalism the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, there needs no explaination on this topic.

    My family used to be dirt-poor Georgia trailer trash, but we turned our bar of lead into gold. Anyone can do it.


    Well please do tell the secret. Sure sounds easy huh? Its hard to do it when theres no money avaliable to do so. Things arent free.

    As an example of what REAL oppression is, one of my former professors is Chinese. He was tested by the government, and TOLD what field he was to go into. He had no choice.
    Yea that sucks, in anarchy you wouldnt have that. Capitalism here also portrays what you will be doing. If you ave a middle class family and obove, your options are endless. Live in lower class WV you will join the army, kill yourself or work at a coal mine for petty change a day. Coal mining, ever done it? I have. No why you're doing it? To keeo this beautiful country running and for what? $17K a year on the average, what a beautiful place.
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    Originally posted by Bobo
    How many of you have studied History or Political Science as an undergrad/post-graduate concentration? I see so many inaccuracies here its mindboggling and there are just too many too correct. The Clinton argument is the most ridiculous notion I've ever heard. I won't go into to it because I could write a book on it. I would like to know how Bush unlawfully used force or violence against anyone or group for the purpose of intimidation to coerce ideological or political gains (definition of terrorism if you didn't know).


    If you refuse to go into it, I dont think thats a fair statement to make then man. I have only studied history in high school (which I failed because I refused to be force fed bull****. Its like the Book "Hard Times" by Charles Dickens....You're conditioned to believe things, Id like to make my own choices and form my own opinions.) I dont have to be educated in the history of our country to understand politics.

    YJ you know this is never personal but most anti-government proponents preach nothing but complete garbage. Its a refuge for those too lazy to think rationally and full of emotionally driven people with clouded judgements based on complete paranoia. Anarchy produces death of culture, people and everything surrounding it.


    Is it? Whats wrong with questioning the actions of the people who's salary you pay? Am I the only ones who sees a problem with this? Not questioning something is garbage, I think SSX will agree. How do you know Anarchy produces the death fo a nation? Ever been in anarchy? Nope. Sure you can form an opinion about it, and I'll form one of my own too.
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    Originally posted by Bobo


    Would you like to live in Finland where 65% of your paycheck goes to the government? This is just one example. If your wondering, the US takes the least.
    Dontk now if thasts true, but you're a good man, so I'll take your word for it. But the least to me being a WV resident is an awful lot. I could use that extra $$$. Im helping house and feed people who truly arent that worse off than myself. I just refuse to jump on welfare and ride it because thats not what I believe in. Take the most, least, whatever but to some people, thats a lot.
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    Originally posted by Bobo


    3. Foget it, I'm too damn tired...You got me thinking though YJ. You accomplished your goal...Time to hit the sack.

    My goal was to piss as many people off as possible and to have the lowest number of people liking me after this. But with that said, I expect respect from it because Ive done my research and just because I dont agree with the ways of this nation doesnt make me and lesser than anyone. But I bet if I said "damn, Id like to kill Geaorge Bush" Damnit my ass would be in jail until I rot away....but if Geaorge Bush said "Damn, Id like to kill Bryan Johnson (me)" Everyone would laugh their asses off and let it pass.....that fair? No. What has this piece of **** done that I havent? I run a gym in lower class WV. WE have the fattest, poorest state in the nation. Why run a gym in WV? No one wants to workout obviously, I must be out of my mind. I choose to stay here and provide a place for those who want help to get help. If they want to change their lives, you either choose my gym or not gym. Theres not another one around. I might be going in debt and be forced to sell very soon, but if I save 1 obese person's life, its worth the money Im loosing. Now you tell me what hes done for YOU and the American people, besides ship your friends and family off to fight for HIS cause.
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    Im hoping to post so many times in a row, everyone just says aw **** it, YJ's right
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket
    Im hoping to post so many times in a row, everyone just says aw **** it, YJ's right
    I don't think I can let that happen. I will get a point across if I think one needs to be made. I will be here as well. When the rest are dead and long forgotten, I will still remember and be here till the job is done.
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    Anarchism is a political theory which aims to create a society in which individuals freely co-operate together as equals without political, economic or social hierarchies. Anarchism essentially seeks to create a classless, stateless society, free of oppression and exploitation, that is organized and held together by the four principles; individual freedom, social and economic equality, free association, and mutual aid (i.e. cooperation and solidarity).

    Tell me whats so wrong with that??

    Anarchy does not mean chaos, crime, destruction or havoc. To the contrary, these have been the characteristics of political and economic hierarchies throughout history. One of the most common critiques of anarchism is that people "naturally" require hierarchal structures to govern society. However, every single hierarchal structure throughout history has burned to rubble. Not a single government nor empire has lasted more than a few hundred years. People have always rebelled against governments and hierarchal structures. Perhaps this is an obvious indication that people cannot sustain a natural equilibrium within society as long as hierarchy exists because as history has shown us, people will ALWAYS naturally rebel against them.
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    My god YJ. That is the utopian defenition of anarchy- just like people in other countries believe that we are the utopian defenition of Democracy. People can NEVER live in peace with eachother and cooperate; you say that anarchy is not chaos but I beg to differ. Sure we have our own laws, but what's to stop someone from saying "murder is not a crime in my government," and going on a killing spree?

    1. People like to have order- It's true that people disagree with the government a lot; but they still couldn't make it without them. How many people would revert to crime if anarchy existed, think about it. With no chance of getting in trouble, how many would do whatever they want.

    2. Without a government, and with anarchy, what will happen to all of the nuclear weapons and other technoligical advances that we have now? They will be used however people deem fit.

    3. Eventually someone WILL become dicatator- Eventually someone will gather up enough people and become dicatator. This only makes sense, because people will want control of the world- it's human nature. So no government will turn into a dictatorship.

    Remember, YJ, Anarchy mean chaos- why? Because on paper it looks good, but in men's hearts they could never live without order.
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    Originally posted by Big H
    My god YJ. That is the utopian defenition of anarchy- just like people in other countries believe that we are the utopian defenition of Democracy. People can NEVER live in peace with eachother and cooperate; you say that anarchy is not chaos but I beg to differ. Sure we have our own laws, but what's to stop someone from saying "murder is not a crime in my government," and going on a killing spree?


    People go on killing sprees today. People will always kill people. There will always be murder. Do you blame murder in this day and age on the government? Hell no. Murder has nothing to do with government. Sure without punishment there would be more murder, but in Anarchy there would be far less reasons to want someone dead. The frustration level of being poor would be much less.

    1. People like to have order- It's true that people disagree with the government a lot; but they still couldn't make it without them. How many people would revert to crime if anarchy existed, think about it. With no chance of getting in trouble, how many would do whatever they want.


    Again, beat the dead horse. How do you know? Ever lived in an Anarchist society? No. So you can make such a out of bounds generelization. I dont like order. I have friends who dont like order. I could make it without a government. Anarchy does not lead to crime. Like I said before, the government structure doesnt have anything to do with crime. Your points arent really worth debating.

    2. Without a government, and with anarchy, what will happen to all of the nuclear weapons and other technoligical advances that we have now? They will be used however people deem fit.


    Once again, people and countries can and will use these weapons of mass destruction regardless of government structutre. The inevitablility of every non 3rd world country having nukes us apparent,. regardless of our government structure.

    3. Eventually someone WILL become dicatator- Eventually someone will gather up enough people and become dicatator. This only makes sense, because people will want control of the world- it's human nature. So no government will turn into a dictatorship.


    Then this will no longer be an anarchist society. There is no dictator in society. We have communist dictator ship now. And again, you make a terrible generalization. I dont want to rule the world, I would like to be left alone to do the things I deem necessary to live a happy life. These are merely your opinions H.

    [/b]Remember, YJ, Anarchy mean chaos- why? Because on paper it looks good, but in men's hearts they could never live without order. [/B]
    Anarchy doesnt mean chaos, did you fail to read the definition above or are you too hard headed in your own beliefs? Sure it looks good on paper, just as democracy does. Everything looks good on paper. Do you think we have a democracy now like it was drawn up? Ha, no way. This country is full of oppressed, miserable people and its only getting worse. There's regualtions on everything these days, the government is playing you and yourl ife as they want and there's nothing you can do about it. I could live without order. Anarchy isnt how its portrayed on TV, duh. Anarchy is having no social classes, etc. Do a little more research next time.

    And tell me H, would you die for your country?
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