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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Then I say get in your car, pack your lunch and bring it. Thats the way this country was intended from the start.
    We were intended to be a free nation, yes, but within reason. The founding fathers did not intend this to be a nation of anarchy, because that is the opposite of civilization. They were building a free civilization.


    Land of the free? Bull****. I got a ****ing ticket for not wearing my seatbelt. WTF? Who are some petty, $20k a year, nobody cops to tell me I have to wear my sealtbelt? Its my life, I choose to live it the way I want. Sounds childish but its the truth. There's so many ignorant laws out there that oppress everyone. That wasnt the intention of our founders.
    Being very close to a libertarian, I agree with this.


    Its every man for themselves. You have all these politicians coming in, laying down laws, ruining MY life, so it should be my right to take theirs. Sounds ignorant and its pretty far fetched, but this world could exist without government, its more of a powertrip and an ego boost more than anything to be a part of it anyway.
    We have only ourselves to blame for foolish laws, because we, the people, are the basis for our government.

    Yes, the world could exist without government, but civilization could not. We would quickly revert back to a hunter-gatherer type society. That is basically what anarchy is.

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    He is taking care of his own, to the best of his ability and the powers delegated to the president. BTW, criminal matters such as murder, rape, etc. are largely the job of state and local governments, not the federal government, and not the president.
    Well if he cant and doesnt have the athority to prevent it in America, how the hell's he going to do it in other countries? By threatenening them? No one takes this dumbass serious anymore, he's all talk.

    You're absolutely right he's pissed. ****in' idiot terrorists killed thousands of our people. I'd say he has a right to be mad, because some 3000 of his fellow citizens were murdered in such a horrid way. I tell ya', I'm pretty pissed, too!


    So other countries dont have the right to be pissed at him and the US? Scroll back up and look at the number of lives we've taken, you expect other countries to sit there and take it because we're the "supreme dominate country" At least the Al Queda is doing something to make the playing field fair.

    We don't go and invade another country unless we feel there is a damn good reason. Have we made mistakes before? Sure. We recognize those mistakes, learn from them, and try not to repeat them.


    Every time we've invaded a country its been pointless and all for not, jsut got a few hundred troops killed here and there, no big deal, he doesnt care, its not his life.

    Our country IS thriving and successful. Don't think so? Try living in Afghanistan. You'll quickly learn what success is. In order to keep this success, he must do his best to prevent those that are jealous of our wealth from harming us.


    If we were truly thriving and successful, we wouldnt be trying to step on other countries for petty reasons. The reason we are doing well is BECAUSE of those other countries that provide us with the necessities we need to live and what do we give them in return? Some products and a couple missles.



    Our interests aren't being threatened? I'd say when 19 idiots take out two buildings, along with some 3000 people, our interests are threatened.


    I agree and maybe Bush should think about this next time he wants to attack another country, he might win the battle, but he'll NEVER win the war. Theres too many countries that hate us now and out to get us or aid those who will get us..... we'll have Bush to thank in a couple years

    We are allowed to keep nukes because we won't misuse them, unlike other radical governments.


    Whos to say we wont misues them? And if we did say that, who would stop us? No one. We're the big dog of the world and we want it to be known, thats lame. Who's to judge a radical goverment? I think our government is radical? Everyone is so blind by what they here on television and what theyre being told by our goverment.



    That's where you're wrong. It does have to do with us. Anything anti-Western has to do with us, because we are basically the Mecca of Western Civilization. Saddam is anti-U.S., and there are many other radical governments and organizations that are just as bad, if not worse.


    LoL...theres a hundred countries that are Anti-US. Even the UN is backing out, everyone's tired of our ****. Tired of our desperation to get back the respect we lost when we lost the Trade Centers. Get over it, they got the better of us. End of story. If anyting it should open the goverment's eyes to listen to them. That was the whole point anyways. Instead of listening, Bush is out to kill more people, like a 6 year old on the playground. You're not going to win the world's favortism by bombing and raiding them

    He was elected to do this job. Foreign affairs is part of the president's job.


    And what a great job he's doing. "If they dont agree with us, we'll just kill some of their people and threaten their rights and ability to defend themselves"



    A country can defend itself properly without developing nukes.


    So uhhh......any idea why we have them?


    This nation was weak, in that we were naive. Now we know better, and we are only getting stronger. This nation is far from crushed.
    This nation is still weak, always will be. Bush keeps making enemies for us and we'll have to reap the concenquesnces of HIS actions and thats bull****. Thats what this lovely goverment is doing for us all. We elected Gore and got Bush and look what he's doing for us? We're living in fear because of that piece of ****. Congrats if you voted for him, you've ****ed us all.
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    Originally posted by CROWLER
    HA HA HA this thread is FUNNY ****.

    I seem to agree with about every OTHER post I WONDER why that is.
    If you have something intelligent to add then add it, otherwise shut the **** up. You've got a problem with me, its obvious by your smartass posts, this isnt the thread to act like a school girl in. Maybe you should go back to bb.com.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket

    If you're going to judge someone based on MY opinions, then get the **** out of this thread son. You have NO credibility and you speak without merit, you're an 18 year old punk, you know **** about how the world works, so before you call people "foolish" for not believing what you do, you'd better do some reading and learining. You say Im foolish and thats the end of your statement, thus your lack of merit. You better be ready to back **** up if you make statements like that, dont let your alligator mouth get your humming bird mouth in trouble. That was weak.
    Easy tiger, I wasn't referring to you. And sure, I could easily argue why anarchy wouldn't work. But now it is bed time.
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    Who deleted my 2 posts?

    You can see on of them 3 posts up what I posted. Infact it was quoted by Y/J so obviously it was deleted.

    What was wrong with what I posted?


    Y/J why you taking this personal?

    I expressed an opinon that is all.

    Obviously in threads that go back and forth usually you many times agree with every other post.

    I think this can be said for a number of other posters on this thread.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    If you have something intelligent to add then add it, otherwise shut the **** up. You've got a problem with me, its obvious by your smartass posts, this isnt the thread to act like a school girl in. Maybe you should go back to bb.com.
    Ok now I have reposted what I had and it has been deleted again.

    Anyone tell me what is wrong with what I said?

    BDC do me a favor and look at what I posted.

    If you agree I should leave this board I will.

    Y/J why you getting personal?

    I have agreed with you on a few other threads.

    I am sorry if I do not agree with you on this one.

    That is what makes this country GREAT.

    Check the thread I don't think ANYONE agreed with you.
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    Originally posted by pjorstad
    That picture is a piece of crap and i would use it to wipe my ****ing ass and the people that believe what it says can kiss it!


    That picture is bull**** propoganda for one reason as lifeguard pointed out. Secondly iraq deserves what they get because they did some horrible things in kuwait and have a madmen as a leader. Also as far as vietnam, while i felt we were stupid for going in the war to get ourselves killed and am against us ever having gone there for SELFISH reasons but our GOAL was with good intentions at least.



    FUNNY HOW I DON"T SEE A ****ING PICK OF BIN LADEN ON THERE OR THE WORLD TRADE CENTER OR PENTAGON BEING BLOWN UP!

    EXACTLY bro Karma for you and all who agree.

    Check your first post in this thread to see if I gave you Karma.


    EXACTLY bro

    Karma for you and all the other people I agree with!!!!!!!!!
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    Originally posted by CROWLER
    Who deleted my 2 posts?

    You can see on of them 3 posts up what I posted. Infact it was quoted by Y/J so obviously it was deleted.

    What was wrong with what I posted?


    Y/J why you taking this personal?

    I expressed an opinon that is all.

    Obviously in threads that go back and forth usually you many times agree with every other post.

    I think this can be said for a number of other posters on this thread.
    Think about what you post next time. If you agree with someone, agree with them, dont ever tell someone you dont agree with that they have their head up their ass. And if you do, they'll be deleted once more. This isnt a bb.com debate, post something intellgent as Chemo, SSX, WW7 and the others have, not "You have your head shoved up your ass" You're jsut embarassing yourself.
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    Originally posted by CROWLER

    EXACTLY bro Karma for you and all who agree.

    Wow your karma means a lot to me
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    YJ I really have to agree with you.

    In the last century the US has really messed its self up.  We've concerened our selves with foreign matters while allowing our country to go to hell.  Right now were throwing sh*t at Afghan and Iraq claiming they are dangerous and worthy of war but not to long ago we were praising these countires and **** over weapons by the shipful in our war againsts the commies and other countries.  Had we never got involved in Iran or felt like arming the Taliban to fight the Soviets we wouldn't have these problems to clean up.

    Also if we wished to imporve the quality of life in the US, statistically terrorism would be a very low priority.  But no one gets political prestige from improving health, controlling alcohol and smoking, or making safer auto transportation, they get it from bombing the hell our of country just to waste a few $bil. and create a few a new enemies.

    IMO the US could use a few decades of isolationism, just get things in order within the borders and then we can worry about a few rats running around in the desert.
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    Originally posted by CROWLER




    Bro you deleted a post where I said:


    HA HA HA this thread is FUNNY ****.

    I seem to agree with about every OTHER post I WONDER why that is.


    What is wrong with that???

    I think you are getting too personal, but this is MY opinon OK???
    And I also deleted the other one where you said "I agree with everyone who doesnt have their heads shoved up their ass" Why is this thread funny? It was intended as a joke? Oooh! I know you're trying to be a smartass, sorry I didnt catch on.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Well if he cant and doesnt have the athority to prevent it in America, how the hell's he going to do it in other countries? By threatenening them? No one takes this dumbass serious anymore, he's all talk.
    He's the Commander In Chief of the armed forces, so he can help prevent attacks and such through the use of military force.


    So other countries dont have the right to be pissed at him and the US? Scroll back up and look at the number of lives we've taken, you expect other countries to sit there and take it because we're the "supreme dominate country" At least the Al Queda is doing something to make the playing field fair.
    Other countries have a right to be pissed off all they want, but that doesn't mean their feelings are justified.

    As for the number of lives we've taken, they have all been for what we felt at the time was a good reason. In the case of Vietnam, our aim was to stop the spread of Communism, and thus, stop oppression. Did we make mistakes? Sure. Did some of our soldiers act less than soldierly? Of course. However, all of our mistakes were made with good intentions, and we've never done anything like Al Qaida has done.

    Al Qaida made the playing field fair? How so? By blind siding us and killing thousands?


    Every time we've invaded a country its been pointless and all for not, jsut got a few hundred troops killed here and there, no big deal, he doesnt care, its not his life.
    What is one time that we invaded a country, for truly no reason?


    If we were truly thriving and successful, we wouldnt be trying to step on other countries for petty reasons. The reason we are doing well is BECAUSE of those other countries that provide us with the necessities we need to live and what do we give them in return? Some products and a couple missles.
    We're not trying to step on other countries. We are trying to protect our citizens and maintain some stability of the global economy, of which, we are all a part of.

    Other countries don't give us necessities to live. I'd say that's a pretty inaccurate description of our part in the global economy. If anything, we give others the necessities to live. The companies in our economy probably make more contributions to the world than most other economies combined. Add to that, the fact that our government gives out billions in foreign aid to help other countries.


    Whos to say we wont misues them? And if we did say that, who would stop us? No one. We're the big dog of the world and we want it to be known, thats lame. Who's to judge a radical goverment? I think our government is radical? Everyone is so blind by what they here on television and what theyre being told by our goverment.
    Have we misused them yet? Nope. Why wouldn't we? We don't have a government bent on destroying another civilization.



    LoL...theres a hundred countries that are Anti-US. Even the UN is backing out, everyone's tired of our ****. Tired of our desperation to get back the respect we lost when we lost the Trade Centers. Get over it, they got the better of us. End of story. If anyting it should open the goverment's eyes to listen to them. That was the whole point anyways. Instead of listening, Bush is out to kill more people, like a 6 year old on the playground. You're not going to win the world's favortism by bombing and raiding them
    Yes, there are many that are anti-U.S. to an extent, but nothing like Iraq and a few others. They are not as extreme. The main problem lies with extremist regimes such as Iraq, North Korea, and extremist organizations, such as Al Qaida.

    And there are MANY other countries that care about this situation and want to see Saddam gone. We live in a world economy now, so if we get ****ed up, everyone gets ****ed up. That, if nothing else, has many countries on our side.

    Yes, they got the best of us that one instance. But how hard is it to get the "best" of someone when you blind side them??


    And what a great job he's doing. "If they dont agree with us, we'll just kill some of their people and threaten their rights and ability to defend themselves"
    I think it's more like "If they threaten us, we will use force against them." Nobody is taking away anybody's right to defend themselves. North Korea has a good military, and is very capable of defending itself.


    So uhhh......any idea why we have them?
    Yes, we developed them and used them so we would not have to invade Japan in WWII and face hundreds of thousands of more casualties. Since that point, we have had them, and developed them further, mostly due to the communist, Soviet threat of the Cold War.


    This nation is still weak, always will be. Bush keeps making enemies for us and we'll have to reap the concenquesnces of HIS actions and thats bull****. Thats what this lovely goverment is doing for us all. We elected Gore and got Bush and look what he's doing for us? We're living in fear because of that piece of ****. Congrats if you voted for him, you've ****ed us all.
    The only way we are weak is that the commoner is ignorant. Granted, that is a big weakness. And we wonder why the government takes away our freedoms.

    Anyway, Bush isn't making anymore enemies than we didn't already have. These people have hated us for a long time, for absurd reasons.

    I'm very happy that Gore didn't win. That's all we need is another idiot liberal in the white house. The terrorists wouldn't need to sneak into the country to perform their deeds, Gore would invite them into the Whitehouse to have ****ing coffee!

    And even though I am basically a Libertarian, I loathe Harry Brown. He's so soft on terrorism it's disgusting.

    So yes, I voted for Bush, because he was the lesser of three evils. Turns out, because of the circumstances we are now in, he's the right man for the job.
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    Originally posted by weissmuller
    YJ I really have to agree with you.

    In the last century the US has really messed its self up.  We've concerened our selves with foreign matters while allowing our country to go to hell.  Right now were throwing sh*t at Afghan and Iraq claiming they are dangerous and worthy of war but not to long ago we were praising these countires and **** over weapons by the shipful in our war againsts the commies and other countries.  Had we never got involved in Iran or felt like arming the Taliban to fight the Soviets we wouldn't have these problems to clean up.
    How has our country "gone to hell"?? Yes, we praised those countries, because, at the time, they were the lesser of two evils. But because we employed Afghan rebels, the Soviets were driven out, and the empire collapsed soon after. Mistake? Dunno. Like I said, lesser of two evils.

    Also, about the same time, Iran had gone through that whole Islamic revolution thing. Remember the U.S. Embassy? Yeah. So picking between the lesser of two evils again. Iraq over Iran.

    It's so easy to look back now and say "We were stupid." But what was the alternative? There are no easy choices.


    Also if we wished to imporve the quality of life in the US, statistically terrorism would be a very low priority.  But no one gets political prestige from improving health, controlling alcohol and smoking, or making safer auto transportation, they get it from bombing the hell our of country just to waste a few $bil. and create a few a new enemies.
    It is apparent to me, from this passage, that you have very little knowledge of politics. Politicians get prestige anytime they "save" the public from a "threat". That can be from outside the country, or inside the country. It can be health related, etc. Does the prohormone bill mean anything to you? A couple of Congressmen are attempting to "save the children" with their anti-prohormone bill. This gives them prestige among the people they represent, because they are ignorant and truly believe these reps. have saved their kids from a dangerous threat.

    How does the goverment improve the quality of life in a capitalistic society?? It's free enterprise, a free economy. YOU improve your quality of life through hard work and achievement.
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    Originally posted by SirSavageX


    He's the Commander In Chief of the armed forces, so he can help prevent attacks and such through the use of military force.


    Yes and put his ass on a plane and fly him over there to fight and I think his mind would change real quick.

    As for the number of lives we've taken, they have all been for what we felt at the time was a good reason. In the case of Vietnam, our aim was to stop the spread of Communism, and thus, stop oppression. Did we make mistakes? Sure. Did some of our soldiers act less than soldierly? Of course. However, all of our mistakes were made with good intentions, and we've never done anything like Al Qaida has done.


    First off NOTHING justifies taking another person's life. No one on this earth can do that and get away with it. A good reason to take someone's life, thats hilarious. There's no such thing as a good reason to kill someone. Those dirty ****ers killed 1,000's of Americans, nothing justifies that, but it served its purpose. Its pretty ****ty a country has to kill that many people just to be listened to huh?

    Al Qaida made the playing field fair? How so? By blind siding us and killing thousands?


    The playing field is fair now because we think about what we do everyday. Americans now value their lives more than ever. We pay attention to petty countries because we now see what they're capable of. We've oppressed so many countries for so long, maybe times are changing?



    What is one time that we invaded a country, for truly no reason?


    I'll give you a few. How many times have we went into a country and set up shop to prepare to raid a boarding country? a ****load of times. How many countries do we have "bases" in now to prepare for attack? Many. And if they dont let us in their country to set up bases, they better fear for their lives huh? No one questions or contradicts America by god, you'll feel the wrath of George Bush



    We're not trying to step on other countries. We are trying to protect our citizens and maintain some stability of the global economy, of which, we are all a part of.


    But dont you see? By taking these steps, there's psycho's out there in planes ready to crash into buildings. Bush is killing off his own country by trying to prove himself.

    Other countries don't give us necessities to live. I'd say that's a pretty inaccurate description of our part in the global economy. If anything, we give others the necessities to live. The companies in our economy probably make more contributions to the world than most other economies combined. Add to that, the fact that our government gives out billions in foreign aid to help other countries.


    Whoa! So we dont get foods, oils, automobiles, soliders, etc from other countries, could have fooled me.



    Have we misused them yet? Nope. Why wouldn't we? We don't have a government bent on destroying another civilization.


    Oh we havent misused them? What about all those tests we've ran to test our nukes out aye? The Barbi Islands will be a wasteland for 30,000 more years. What about when we nuked Japan? I thought you said earlier a country can defend itself without the use of nukes? Guess we cant. We have a goverment bent on letting everyone know we're in charge.


    Yes, there are many that are anti-U.S. to an extent, but nothing like Iraq and a few others. They are not as extreme. The main problem lies with extremist regimes such as Iraq, North Korea, and extremist organizations, such as Al Qaida.


    Another double standard. Your critical of other countries who do the same ignorant **** as we do. What gives us the right to do it and not them? Try to see this beyond what you hear on TV and beyond YOUR best interest.

    Yes, they got the best of us that one instance. But how hard is it to get the "best" of someone when you blind side them??


    I wouldnt say "blind side" we had it coming. The US government knew of Bin Laden, and didnt do anything about him, so their own ingorance cost a lot of American's their lives. And besides, what do you expect Afghanistan to do? I doubt we'll let them make missles or plans to do anything on their own.


    I think it's more like "If they threaten us, we will use force against them." Nobody is taking away anybody's right to defend themselves. North Korea has a good military, and is very capable of defending itself.


    Against who? We have the greatest Military in the world, why do we have to make nukes? Surely not for ****s and giggles. I think us having nukes is jsut to say we do, so other countries will fear us. N. Korea is just lelveling the playing field by having some of their own, nothing wrong with that.


    Yes, we developed them and used them so we would not have to invade Japan in WWII and face hundreds of thousands of more casualties. Since that point, we have had them, and developed them further, mostly due to the communist, Soviet threat of the Cold War.


    We used nukes to kill thousands upon thousands of people, why cant Korea use them to get what they need done done? Oh wait another double standard. Its ok for us to do it, but no one else.


    The only way we are weak is that the commoner is ignorant. Granted, that is a big weakness. And we wonder why the government takes away our freedoms.


    Just the beginning of communism my friend.

    Anyway, Bush isn't making anymore enemies than we didn't already have. These people have hated us for a long time, for absurd reasons.


    Not true. Everyone is sick of our ****. We're constantly wanting war with someone and expecting to be backed up EVERY time. Thats bull****.

    I'm very happy that Gore didn't win. That's all we need is another idiot liberal in the white house. The terrorists wouldn't need to sneak into the country to perform their deeds, Gore would invite them into the Whitehouse to have ****ing coffee!


    Tell me this, how many terrorist attacks occured on America when Clinton was president? None. Maybe we need him back. Maybe he'd do his job. And the terrorists obviously had no trouble sneaking as Bush is our leader although he knew of the Al Queda's activity, just neglected to do anything, probably had a hunting trip or something that weekend, oh well, he and his family are ok, thats all that matters.

    So yes, I voted for Bush, because he was the lesser of three evils. Turns out, because of the circumstances we are now in, he's the right man for the job.
    What a great job he's doing. Indirectly killing his own people. We should all praise him
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    **** it, Life's too short to be told what to do all your life. Im from WV, Im already in the negative. Capitalism suppresses my options in life bcause I come from a low income family, thats bad enough. Then I have to pay a fine for not wearing a seatbelt while driving MY car. When does it end? It doesnt until the day you die. People got created equal to you, rule YOUR Life. They tell YOU what to do and you will do it, whether you want to or not. **** that, you can have your petty country and its powertriping government. ****, wont even be able to use pro hormones in a month or 2, why? **** it, why not! Something else to restrict in this country to insure you're not enjoying life.
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    This thread has progressed with amazing speed and thought. I have to say our president is not like the great leaders of the distant past. Leaders, kings, and emperors of the past used to fight side by side with their troops. They even led them into battle. Their purpose was to rally and spur the troops into a winning spirit of unconditional surrender. I know that we must act as a global cooperative now, so we must deal with the feelings of other countries in this horrible transgression. In acting globally we need to take into account the actions of others as we dwell on this problem. We need to hear both sides of the story whether we believe what they have to say or not. We now have to consider a war on two fronts besides the Iraqi problem. North Korea is no laughing matter either. They have the possible backing of the Chinese government. This is a time of concern and deep thought in the history of our nation. We should proceed with caution into these endeavors. We are a strong nation with a head strong population. We need to look at this with great concern and an open mind. Our nation is not in peril but standing once again on the brink of political and social greatness. The mind is our greatest ally in going into this war if we must have it. Fear is not an option. Like the British Prime Minister said be prepared for the backlash if you do not stand with us. We are ready for the fight and we are going to whoop some ass so be ready you have been forewarned.
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    You know if it was up to me id ****ing drop a hydrogen bomb on all the major cities in iraq and north korea and china all at one instance just so they get the message :P

    That truly is the only way to solve. But because bush is gonna be a wussy about things and let things get out of control like wussy clinton and wussy Bush Sr we are gonna have a lot ofproblems on are hands in the future.
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    Originally posted by pjorstad
    You know if it was up to me id ****ing drop a hydrogen bomb on all the major cities in iraq and north korea and china all at one instance just so they get the message :P

    That why it will never be up to you. Once a bomb like that is dropped in this day and age, WW3 is inevitable and the world WILL come to an end. This isnt even a consideration. But I agree that Bush either needs to put up or shut up. Quit threatening countrys, do something or keep your ****in mouth shut
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket



    That why it will never be up to you. Once a bomb like that is dropped in this day and age, WW3 is inevitable and the world WILL come to an end. This isnt even a consideration. But I agree that Bush either needs to put up or shut up. Quit threatening countrys, do something or keep your ****in mouth shut
    Ok so since you are a mod you can tell a member to keep your ****in mouth shut.

    But I can not say "I agree with everyone who doesnt have their heads shoved up their ass" or you will delete it???

    Why I did NOT direct this at anyone.

    Your post was directly at a member.

    What is up with that sensorship???
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    Heh your right i just thought about it and realized that somehow they will manage to sneek some atomic bombs backon us or some other country might get pissed.
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    Crowler go back and reread YJ last post... he was saying that Bush needs to either shut up with the threats or do it.. not pjorstad
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    Originally posted by Matthew D
    Crowler go back and reread YJ last post... he was saying that Bush needs to either shut up with the threats or do it.. not pjorstad

    OOPs he says as he whipes the egg off his face.

    BTW who keeps giving me Karma on my posts.

    I don't mind it but is there any way to find out.

    Heh I think I actually got some on the posts that got deleted.
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    Originally posted by CROWLER


    Ok so since you are a mod you can tell a member to keep your ****in mouth shut.

    But I can not say "I agree with everyone who doesnt have their heads shoved up their ass" or you will delete it???

    Why I did NOT direct this at anyone.

    Your post was directly at a member.

    What is up with that sensorship???

    Umm....yea. Go back and re-read that drama queen and its actually Censorship.
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    Originally posted by CROWLER


    AH Y/J you aren't still made at me about the ginger root post are ya bro.

    Come on life is too short to get upset it's only a BB forum bro.

    You gotta role with the smack talk or you'll be old before your time

    Take the example of Bean he doesn't take it personal. RELAX
    Ummm.... I dont take it personal "bro". Like I said, I started this thread for ****s and giggles and if anyone takes it personal, thats your problem not the bees
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    Haha this thead is a perfect example of the fact that ROID rage and post cycle FEMININE EMOTIONS(due to anti-estrogens and lowered test) is in fact TRUE.
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    Originally posted by pjorstad
    Haha this thead is a perfect example of the fact that ROID rage and post cycle FEMININE EMOTIONS(due to anti-estrogens and lowered test) is in fact TRUE.
    Please explain this one....Im lost.
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    Originally posted by pjorstad
    Haha this thead is a perfect example of the fact that ROID rage and post cycle FEMININE EMOTIONS(due to anti-estrogens and lowered test) is in fact TRUE.

    BRO YOU are Correct sir.
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    Christ man, you need some Valium, you talk way too much and you're turning this thread into useless post whoring.
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    Originally posted by Big H
    Anyone who wants anarchy is foolish IMO. Less strict government fine; but anarchy- yea right.
    hell yeah...

    Most people who want anarchy have absolutely no conception of how it really could be
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    Originally posted by Bean


    hell yeah...

    Most people who want anarchy have absolutely no conception of how it really could be
    Thats exactly right. And those morbid, mediocre citizens who do everything they're told by the government have no idea either. With all the restrictions placed on people these days, no one knows what it would be like to be free and do what you want.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Thats exactly right. And those morbid, mediocre citizens who do everything they're told by the government have no idea either. With all the restrictions placed on people these days, no one knows what it would be like to be free and do what you want.
    I'm free to do a lot of things that i can't in another country

    Although being here and being an avid poster in the roid forum is plenty of proof i don't believe everything the government tells me... but you sir are taking it to an extreme amount... you don't believe ANYTHING from OUR government; but seems like you take info from every other government with open arms...

    Anarchy is what humanity was all about before the major civs started popping up and evolving... You don't have a concept of anarchy because there hasn't been one in your lifetime nor ever will be. Its only our imaginations on how it could be and I think you're going on the bit extreme side

    With anarchy you wouldn't be posting on this forum right now... with anarchy roids as they are known about now would not exists.... with anarchy the bodybuilding community would not exist and most of us wouldn't know a damn thing about it...

    with anarchy there is no law and there is no social order; without that social order the many things that YOU and I take for granted would not exist... can you imagine not being able to take a **** inside a bathroom but going to an outhouse? ever had to do that? i have and it sucks...
    do you actually believe people would ban together in a world full of anarchy? sure they would; they would ban together to form communities; which would form together to become nations/civilizations... and those nations would have GOVERNMENTS just like we have now...

    yup i'm talking in circles; but i'm sure you can see how it goes i think governments like this are just natural evolution... anarchy isn't... there may be evolution of the body but not of the mind in anarchy (that whole survival of the fittest thing which you seem to be a full believer)
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Yes and put his ass on a plane and fly him over there to fight and I think his mind would change real quick. [/b]
    I'm sure he would do just that if he could be of any help, but he is not a trained soldier. It is not a job delegated to him. His job, among others, is to be the top commander of the military, NOT participate. He, nor any of our presidents, enjoyed or made the decision lightly to go to war (and actually, that's not even a power of the president). It's never a pleasant thing when deaths occur.

    We have an all volunteer military force. Those guys and gals knew exactly what the military was for when they signed up; they knew there was a chance that something could happen, and they would have to go to war. They accepted this fact when they enlisted. There is no dilusion here. They signed up to fight for our country.


    First off NOTHING justifies taking another person's life. No one on this earth can do that and get away with it. A good reason to take someone's life, thats hilarious. There's no such thing as a good reason to kill someone. Those dirty ****ers killed 1,000's of Americans, nothing justifies that, but it served its purpose. Its pretty ****ty a country has to kill that many people just to be listened to huh?
    Nothing justifies it? What about self-defense? Isn't defending your national interests self-defense? If something threatens the lives or well-being of a government's citizens, then they are justified to protect them by whatever means necessary. This is very unfortunate, but, occasionally it gets to this point. But, the one provoking the action, in this case Iraq and/or terrorists, is to blame.



    The playing field is fair now because we think about what we do everyday. Americans now value their lives more than ever. We pay attention to petty countries because we now see what they're capable of. We've oppressed so many countries for so long, maybe times are changing?
    The playing field isn't fair, nor will it ever be, with those kind of actions. How can an organization commit an atrocity such as that, and run back into hiding? That's not very fair, is it?

    And we have not oppressed countries. We promote capitalism and democracy. I fail to see how we oppress when we promote freedom.


    I'll give you a few. How many times have we went into a country and set up shop to prepare to raid a boarding country? a ****load of times. How many countries do we have "bases" in now to prepare for attack? Many. And if they dont let us in their country to set up bases, they better fear for their lives huh? No one questions or contradicts America by god, you'll feel the wrath of George Bush
    Who says those bases are necessarily for attack? Sure, if the need arose, they would be used for attack, but did it ever occur that maybe those bases are there because the people of the respective countries want them there? Prince Sultan AirBase is in Saudi Arabia because the Saudis want their borders protected.

    If the governments of those nations did not want us there, we would not be there. And we would not bomb them just because they didn't want us there.


    But dont you see? By taking these steps, there's psycho's out there in planes ready to crash into buildings. Bush is killing off his own country by trying to prove himself.
    Bush is not responsible for the actions of irrational extremists who have no regard for human life. Personal responsibility. You take responsibility for your own actions.

    Bush may be making more extremists mad by taking a hardline approach to terrorism, but what's the alternative? Ignoring it? Talking it out? No, they want to kill us, kill the "Great Satan". Unfortunately, what it's basically come down to, is us or them.


    Whoa! So we dont get foods, oils, automobiles, soliders, etc from other countries, could have fooled me.
    Some, yes, but who has the biggest economy in the world, with the exception of Hong Kong and Japan, and therefore, the most productive companies? We do.


    Oh we havent misused them? What about all those tests we've ran to test our nukes out aye? The Barbi Islands will be a wasteland for 30,000 more years. What about when we nuked Japan? I thought you said earlier a country can defend itself without the use of nukes? Guess we cant. We have a goverment bent on letting everyone know we're in charge.
    Sure, we've misused them. As I said, we've made mistakes. We were the first to develop and test the bomb, so we found out, firsthand, exactly why others SHOULDN'T develop them.

    Yes, a country can defend itself without a nuke. We did just fine defending ourselves after Pearl Harbor, and so did Japan. We used the bomb to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of our men. Us or them. So much for our administrations not caring about our soldiers.



    Another double standard. Your critical of other countries who do the same ignorant **** as we do. What gives us the right to do it and not them?
    I'm not sure what you're referring to here.


    I wouldnt say "blind side" we had it coming. The US government knew of Bin Laden, and didnt do anything about him, so their own ingorance cost a lot of American's their lives. And besides, what do you expect Afghanistan to do? I doubt we'll let them make missles or plans to do anything on their own.
    Something was bound to happen sooner or later, but we didn't "have it coming". It was an atrocity, and for what? What did they prove? That they're raving lunatics who have no regard for the lives of others?


    Against who? We have the greatest Military in the world, why do we have to make nukes? Surely not for ****s and giggles. I think us having nukes is jsut to say we do, so other countries will fear us. N. Korea is just lelveling the playing field by having some of their own, nothing wrong with that.
    What do you mean, against who? You made a statement to the effect of "we are taking away the powers of others to defend themselves", and I said no we're not, N. Korea can defend itself just fine without nukes.

    We have a stockpile of nukes, but I'm not sure that we manufacture anymore.

    There is something wrong with N. Korea having nukes, because they are anti-U.S., and extreme. Nukes+extremists=bad news.



    We used nukes to kill thousands upon thousands of people, why cant Korea use them to get what they need done done? Oh wait another double standard. Its ok for us to do it, but no one else.
    Dude, please tell me you didn't just say this. We used a nuke, and BTW, a very weak nuke compared to today's nukes, to end a very long, very serious, and very costly war. We wanted to end it without having to lose anymore of our boys.

    WTF does N. Korea need to use a nuke for???? They don't. There is no war where the fate of the world hangs in the balance, like there was when we used it.


    Just the beginning of communism my friend.
    Probably true.


    Not true. Everyone is sick of our ****. We're constantly wanting war with someone and expecting to be backed up EVERY time. Thats bull****.
    If everyone is sick of our ****, then why are they backing us if Saddam does not comply?

    When have we ever gone and started a war just to start a war?


    Tell me this, how many terrorist attacks occured on America when Clinton was president? None. Maybe we need him back. Maybe he'd do his job. And the terrorists obviously had no trouble sneaking as Bush is our leader although he knew of the Al Queda's activity, just neglected to do anything, probably had a hunting trip or something that weekend, oh well, he and his family are ok, thats all that matters.
    There may have been terrorist attacks, we just may not know of them. We rarely hear of the ones that are thwarted

    Clinton had an oppurtunity to bring Bin Ladin in from the Sudanese, but he DECLINED, stating that there was not enough evidence. Maybe he was too busy getting it on with interns to see how important this issue was.

    They didn't sneak in BECAUSE Bush is our president. They snuck in because of past intelligence failures that Bush INHERITED when he took over the presidency. He had been president for only a short period of time.


    What a great job he's doing. Indirectly killing his own people. We should all praise him
    What's better, taking a hardline approach to terrorism and fighting it, or letting them kill us? I'd prefer the former.
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    Originally posted by pjorstad
    Haha this thead is a perfect example of the fact that ROID rage and post cycle FEMININE EMOTIONS(due to anti-estrogens and lowered test) is in fact TRUE.
    I'll have you know I'm off androgens for now.

    Now I'm going to give you a hard time.

    How can feminine emotions be present, when anti-estrogens are being taken, to either block formation of estrogen completely, or bind to the estrogen receptors to prevent estrogen from exerting its effects?
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket
    Capitalism suppresses my options in life bcause I come from a low income family, thats bad enough.
    Nope, capitalism and democracy allows you to do basically whatever you want as far as taking a direction in life and earning a living. If you want to work at McDonald's, you can do that. If you want to start your own company, you can do that. If you want to go to college and study ancient Mycenean culture, you can do that.

    My family used to be dirt-poor Georgia trailer trash, but we turned our bar of lead into gold. Anyone can do it.

    As an example of what REAL oppression is, one of my former professors is Chinese. He was tested by the government, and TOLD what field he was to go into. He had no choice.
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    How many of you have studied History or Political Science as an undergrad/post-graduate concentration? I see so many inaccuracies here its mindboggling and there are just too many too correct. The Clinton argument is the most ridiculous notion I've ever heard. I won't go into to it because I could write a book on it. I would like to know how Bush unlawfully used force or violence against anyone or group for the purpose of intimidation to coerce ideological or political gains (definition of terrorism if you didn't know).

    YJ you know this is never personal but most anti-government proponents preach nothing but complete garbage. Its a refuge for those too lazy to think rationally and full of emotionally driven people with clouded judgements based on complete paranoia. Anarchy produces death of culture, people and everything surrounding it.


    The picture itself looks like third world propaganda.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Thats the way this country was intended from the start.
    Wrong. This country was oringinally a republic with an elite leading class that mirrored the monarchy they escaped. They could care less about anyone but themsevles. Check out Bacons Rebellion. At one point free blacks were valued higher than former indentured servants (whites).

    One of the several mistakes stated throughout this thread. Its late and I'm bored
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket
    **** that, you can have your petty country and its powertriping government.
    Would you like to live in Finland where 65% of your paycheck goes to the government? This is just one example. If your wondering, the US takes the least.
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    Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Well if he cant and doesnt have the athority to prevent it in America, how the hell's he going to do it in other countries? By threatenening them? No one takes this dumbass serious anymore, he's all talk.



    So other countries dont have the right to be pissed at him and the US? Scroll back up and look at the number of lives we've taken, you expect other countries to sit there and take it because we're the "supreme dominate country" At least the Al Queda is doing something to make the playing field fair.

    [/b]

    Every time we've invaded a country its been pointless and all for not, jsut got a few hundred troops killed here and there, no big deal, he doesnt care, its not his life.

    [/b]

    If we were truly thriving and successful, we wouldnt be trying to step on other countries for petty reasons. The reason we are doing well is BECAUSE of those other countries that provide us with the necessities we need to live and what do we give them in return? Some products and a couple missles.



    [/b]

    I agree and maybe Bush should think about this next time he wants to attack another country, he might win the battle, but he'll NEVER win the war. Theres too many countries that hate us now and out to get us or aid those who will get us..... we'll have Bush to thank in a couple years

    [/b]

    Whos to say we wont misues them? And if we did say that, who would stop us? No one. We're the big dog of the world and we want it to be known, thats lame. Who's to judge a radical goverment? I think our government is radical? Everyone is so blind by what they here on television and what theyre being told by our goverment.



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    LoL...theres a hundred countries that are Anti-US. Even the UN is backing out, everyone's tired of our ****. Tired of our desperation to get back the respect we lost when we lost the Trade Centers. Get over it, they got the better of us. End of story. If anyting it should open the goverment's eyes to listen to them. That was the whole point anyways. Instead of listening, Bush is out to kill more people, like a 6 year old on the playground. You're not going to win the world's favortism by bombing and raiding them

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    And what a great job he's doing. "If they dont agree with us, we'll just kill some of their people and threaten their rights and ability to defend themselves"



    [/b]

    So uhhh......any idea why we have them?




    This nation is still weak, always will be. Bush keeps making enemies for us and we'll have to reap the concenquesnces of HIS actions and thats bull****. Thats what this lovely goverment is doing for us all. We elected Gore and got Bush and look what he's doing for us? We're living in fear because of that piece of ****. Congrats if you voted for him, you've ****ed us all. [/B]
    1. You can't compare how many lives we've taken. If you do that then put the Catholic Church number one on the list. They wiped out 90% of the indigenous Mexican population in the name of conversion. THats just a small part.

    2. Everytim we've invaded a country? Does that mean France, Italy, Germany during WWII or places like Guatamala, Panama, and Nicaragua? Each one I could see benefits and disadvantages.

    3. Foget it, I'm too damn tired...You got me thinking though YJ. You accomplished your goal...Time to hit the sack.
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    Originally posted by Bean


    I'm free to do a lot of things that i can't in another country
    Are you? For how much longer? Do you just sit back and let them do what they want? Did you e-mail congress about the PH ban? Times are changing my friend.....

    but you sir are taking it to an extreme amount... you don't believe ANYTHING from OUR government; but seems like you take info from every other government with open arms...


    Quote me a post I made that said I believe what the Afghan. or Iraq or any other country's government says. If you'd actually go back and read, you'll see that I stated I dont stand for formalization of government, no matter who's it is. I cant believe wha every other government says, because I dont live there, you think our government will allow us to hear the views and thoughts and truths of other countries government? ha.

    You don't have a concept of anarchy because there hasn't been one in your lifetime nor ever will be. Its only our imaginations on how it could be and I think you're going on the bit extreme side


    Thats your opinion brother, and its appreciated, but I wouldnt call me extreme, just opening up the other door in life, love it or hate it. I dont have a concept of Anarchy, just as I dont have a concept of true freedom. I pay ****ing taxes every month because some white trash americans wont get off their lazy ass and get a ****ing job. Thats freedom? It costs an awful lot to live here if Im free. If it were freedom, I would have a choice about paying taxes because its MY right to choose NOT to help those who refuse to help themselves.

    With anarchy you wouldn't be posting on this forum right now... with anarchy roids as they are known about now would not exists.... with anarchy the bodybuilding community would not exist and most of us wouldn't know a damn thing about it...


    Thats where I can not argue with you because you have no idea what anarchy is about. Anarchy to you is what you hear on TV and what books portray of it. Savage men running around killing and taking eachother's wives and money.....sure that could happen, but it could happen now if people wanted it to. Why wouldnt bodybuilding exist? Do you think you would be standing around with a gun guarding your house 24-7? Nope. Theres a big difference between chaos and anarchy.

    with anarchy there is no law and there is no social order; without that social order the many things that YOU and I take for granted would not exist... can you imagine not being able to take a **** inside a bathroom but going to an outhouse? ever had to do that? i have and it sucks...


    wtf? How out of context is this? With anarchy, all the bathrooms wont disappear. Inovation wont subside. Anarchy is a form of government where there is no government. Thats anarchy, what people choose to do with no laws is up to them, those actions arent anarchy. (On a side note: Im from WV brother, Ive **** in a few outhouses)


    do you actually believe people would ban together in a world full of anarchy? sure they would; they would ban together to form communities; which would form together to become nations/civilizations... and those nations would have GOVERNMENTS just like we have now...


    Wait......how do you have a concept of anarchy and I dont? How come you can predict the future with anarchy and I cant? If you instill anarchy in a certain area, people would only be foolish to form a government and granted you would have people trying to do that. But Im sure it wouldnt last long when some others realized what restrictions governments place on your life.
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