Bill Cosby on Blaming White People
- 09-23-2008, 09:28 PM
Bill Cosby on Blaming White People
Bill Cosby said this, sometime in the last 7 years or so
They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight
different 'husbands' - or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer.
Some of the interesting stuff to go along with it, commentary by others
While the criticisms voiced by Bill Cosby are greeted by some as a long-needed airing of problems everyone recognizes but no one talks about, others regard them as unfairly saddling lower-income blacks with sole responsibility for their plight. "He unerringly and wrongly blames the poor. He seems to think that if they would only change their minds, all their problems would go away," said Ronald Walters, director of the African American Leadership Institute at the University of Maryland.
Critics also fear that citing failures of lower-income blacks to make the most of educational opportunities and to eschew choices that limit potential for success (poor use of language, early parenting, often unpartnered) gives white people the much-welcomed easy out of declaring themselves devoid of any responsibility for the cause or continuation of black poverty in America: "See? It's not us that puts them in the ghettos or keeps them there, it's them." Such disavowal, while comforting to those who instinctively seize it when it appears to have been offered, ignores the possibility of racial economic disparity's being the result of a combination of contributing factors rather than an either/or "If you did it, then I didn't" proposition.
Last, Cosby's black-negative assessments could, as some have pointed out, serve as confirmations long sought by racists of their view that African-Americans are inherently incapable of helping themselves, which they would hold up as proof of their theory of black genetic inferiority.
Some other things he said as well.
"Stop waiting for a leader. Get Up! Tell your friends. And if they can't get up, we must see about them because they are true victims ... It's time to study four hours a day with your children. Teach them how much they'll be worth when they have A's instead of F's."
- 09-23-2008, 09:44 PM
good find. and i agree. its so much easier to blame someone else though. its a hard sell to convince anyone to take fault with themselves.
"when chasing shadows, beware of chasing the one you yourself cast".
- 09-24-2008, 04:30 AM
Sometimes people look at me as if i'm crazy when I say this, but I believe at least a partial solution to that is requiring some sort of temporary sterilzation to collect welfare benefits, like the norplant implant for women, less sure for men. If you have 1 kid you can't afford, you have no place having a 2nd to have the state have to pay for the birth, new housing for the larger family, plus food and pediatric bills.
Smaller families means more time for parents to spend on their kids. I can say with 3 kids that i'm glad their ages are spread a good bit as it helps a little, but its still nearly impossible to work plus give them all good amounts of my time.
09-24-2008, 06:39 AM
Well said Easy and good find. I agree with you completely. Its a similar situation here in the UK. No one wants to take responsibilty for anything let alone their childs education. It is always someone elses fault. At some point the black community needs to come out and say we are not doing enough for our kids, lets stop blaming other people and try and better their lives.
09-24-2008, 02:35 PM
Wow, I Cosby just summed up how society has become...
And there is no way to get them to take responsibility, not without forcing it....like with a child, you cant fix the issue unless you force the issue....but this is America...the land of the free.....where you are free to be worthless to your society if you so decree....and pick up drugs or stealing, because you cant make more than 8.50 an hour because you didn't want to stay in English class...too bizzy making those 6 kids you owe child support on....but will never pay...
bah... Freedom is an illusion to most people, because in their "freedom" they chain and shackle themselves to everything that can bring them down and make life miserable.
09-24-2008, 03:42 PM
09-24-2008, 10:48 PM
10-06-2008, 01:26 AM
10-06-2008, 02:51 AM
Bill Cosby is right!
10-06-2008, 02:55 AM
I like how he wants blacks to accept personal responsibility for their own problems instead of blaming the man (white man). It's a true reflection of ones own prejudice. It's so true that you are a product of your environment. I choice to rise above "black stereotypes" but now considered by most blacks an Uncle Tom. So what darkie! LOL
10-06-2008, 02:57 AM
10-07-2008, 01:33 PM
10-07-2008, 07:03 PM
10-07-2008, 07:52 PM
10-07-2008, 09:06 PM
10-07-2008, 09:15 PM
I think this issue has nothing to do with race. Black people aren't the only ones in poverty. Poverty is not discriminatory it touches people of every color or whatever other way people want to categorize humans.
His main idea: education is correct, but I completely disagree about "taking the neighborhood back." It's 2008 people, I think we are beyond the whole concept of racial unity by now. People need to unify together regardless of differences and make a change.
10-07-2008, 09:54 PM
10-07-2008, 09:56 PM
10-08-2008, 06:00 AM
And I dont think think he so much was looking for racial unity to help, so much as for it to stop hurting. black racial unity against the white man gets the neighborhoods nowhere, as it gets used as an excuse to shirk responsibility "i can't get a job cause the man is holding me down" from the person not looking for a job, or trying to learn new/better skills.
10-08-2008, 08:45 AM
10-08-2008, 08:52 AM
I remember when the Cos made these statements,... The black community at large was upset here in Philly. That being said, he made some good points. I just believe the youth of today has nothing to really look up to,... Well they do but it's easier to be a hood than an upstanding citizen. The elders aren't exactly setting great examples, and it perpetuates over and over again. To many followers,.. not enough leaders.
Think training's hard,. try losing!
10-08-2008, 09:11 AM
I think that Bill Cosby has always been recognized as a Genius, not simply because of his erudite, timely, comments,but by the courage of his convictions and his sense of social conscience
10-08-2008, 10:34 AM
10-08-2008, 12:02 PM
I've never come across those attitudes here in california, but I know we have a different culture than other states. However, that type of problem lies in any type of categorization. "I didn't get the job because I'm a female and he was a chauvinist pig," "I didn't get the job because I'm young and he was old," "I didn't get the job because they saw me as a dinosaur," etc. People need to accept responsibility for their own life. Period.
10-08-2008, 02:46 PM
10-08-2008, 02:50 PM
10-08-2008, 05:25 PM
Unfortunately people get brainwashed into believing all kinds of crap and lies. It becomes a part of the culture, a sort of "trance" that people live. People have to start doing their own thinking and quit scapegoating others. It becomes a collective of ignorance, groups of people believing every thing they are told, without a shred of critical analysis. What happened to the once courageous American culture? We were once admired.
10-08-2008, 06:26 PM
10-09-2008, 07:37 AM
being /living ghetto is a state of mind not so much a race or income issue
10-09-2008, 07:53 AM
This goes beyond "ghetto", I encounter caucasions who dont speak proper english, dont brush their teeth, wash their hands or clothes. They openly insult others in public, use profanity every where they go. They have no respect and no self respect. Like the Jerry Springer show, in real life, nation wide!
10-09-2008, 08:29 AM
Just to mention, I am Hispanic, I strongly believe that I have received more critizism and put down by people in my own culture. I grew up in a small town in Texas with a population of 2000. My parents, hard-working people, giving all that they had for us (children) to have a better education/life than they did, we were/are critize by our own race, such as: "whites wanna be" "they think they are better than us" "they are stuck up" and the list goes on.
I personally believe that it is within onself to want to a change. My parents, both left their family by the age of 8 for to help their family financially. Both of them came from dad's who were alcoholics and would "drink up" all their money. Once they got married, they decided to break the cycle and strive for a change. The change was not easy, wasn't a peice of cake. In result, they broke the circle and have given us a better life.
.....have I mention that I really enjoy The Cosby Show.
10-09-2008, 11:51 AM
Same here man, I'm hispanic living in a tough part of Los Angeles. Since I've changed so much from my High school ways of thinking all my peers will call me a "wannabe white boy" and other names.. It gets old pretty fast and you come to realize that these people dont want to change and will be stuck living the ghetto cycle. I also get negative vibes since my GF is Italian/Irish, but suprisingly all these vibes come only from my quote on quote "my people".
10-09-2008, 12:02 PM
Yeah man and it suck. I look back and say, you guys can do it too. But they want it handed to them. It gets old and frustrating. I like to go back home and hangout and see people who I grew up and even family but I dont get the same response like I used to. I do feel bad for those who dont have the resources.
cheloz28......you going to college bro?
10-09-2008, 04:31 PM
10-09-2008, 04:35 PM
What you guys speak of is jealousy. Which affects everyone and is not limited to any "race." Do you really think only latino people are jealous of others who are trying to better their lives? Think for a moment and don't be so naive. Don't allow yourself to become sucked in to this "race" ****. It's ****ing garbage.
10-09-2008, 04:43 PM
10-09-2008, 05:07 PM
10-09-2008, 05:12 PM
You aren't the only one to grow up poor and free lunches. I wouldn't speak of it unless I actually lived through it.
The statistics of crime and poverty are immense. You can look them up anywhere you want. They all tell the same tale. Poverty = crime. Before you can value education, you must be sustainable. Who cares about a PHd when you LITERALLY don't know what and when your next meal will be?
It's a matter of needs and, sadly but true, life comes before education. You can't value education if you cannot afford a loaf of bread.
10-09-2008, 07:45 PM
Its exactly that sort of defeatest viewpoint you espouse that both keeps people there in poverty and ghetto rather than them taking a look at what opportunity is out there and taking advantage of it.
10-09-2008, 08:34 PM
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