[Hurleyboy05]

Don't worry, poll is anonymous.

Here's the trailer:

[Omen]

Originally Posted by Hurleyboy05

Don't worry, poll is anonymous.

Here's the trailer:

Hmmmm.....A movie about delusional idiots....

Maybe I'll go watch that one and everytime he makes fun of one of those idiots I'll turn around and scream "you hear that you dumb f*ckers? you're idiots."......

I was kidding, I'm not gonna waste time or money watching stupid sh*t, I can look out the window.....

[Omen]

CLICK ON IT AND REPENT!

[Zero V]

heh, more dribble for the theaters eh?

Why do people attack it so much? Because it scares them.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by Zero V

heh, more dribble for the theaters eh?

Why do people attack it so much? Because it scares them.

Maybe it just pisses us off !

[Zero V]

and why is that? because people are happy and content with life for what is to you,no apparent reason other than a belief and faith?

fair warning OP, you start a thread with the word religion on here it gets ugly. Specifically you will see me and omen at it as well as a couple others on each side.

I think its all in goodness though, I dont hold grudges. Although because of the last one there are 2 companies on here I wont purchase their products lol.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by Zero V

and why is that? because people are happy and content with life for what is to you,no apparent reason other than a belief and faith?

fair warning OP, you start a thread with the word religion on here it gets ugly. Specifically you will see me and omen at it as well as a couple others on each side.

I think its all in goodness though, I dont hold grudges. Although because of the last one there are 2 companies on here I wont purchase their products lol.

In a way, you do make sense.

But I had problems with religion before, never seen anything good from it.

Restrictions, slave mentality, sheepism, hate, violence towards non religious people or other religions.

Religion and Laws are for people who can't control/regulate themselves and need "masters" to confine in and follow.

[mDeezy]

Bill Maher is hilarious IMO. I'll be seeing it.

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by Omen

In a way, you do make sense.

But I had problems with religion before, never seen anything good from it.

Restrictions, slave mentality, sheepism, hate, violence towards non religious people or other religions.

Religion and Laws are for people who can't control/regulate themselves and need "masters" to confine in and follow.

sometimes yes, sometimes no. There are also those who abuse religion and create cults.

but I dont need someone to guide me, i take every sermon with a grain of salt, test it out so to be to the word.

every one has to find their path in life, I know mine, I know what the afterlife holds for me. But we each share different thoughts and mindsets in life.

I have seen religion fix so many problems, look at Haiti. It used to be a voodoo, human sacrificing country, and now its classified as christian, the people are being fed and clothed, a better leader is in control, etc.

we each have our own paths to follow, now when it comes to pre destination I dont know, i think its plays a hand in some events, but not in others.

but movies like that are stupid potshots by someone who is scared of something different. They are insecure with their own belief, so they try to disassemble and smash whats different.

[Dadof2]

Originally Posted by Omen

In a way, you do make sense.

But I had problems with religion before, never seen anything good from it.

Restrictions, slave mentality, sheepism, hate, violence towards non religious people or other religions.

Religion and Laws are for people who can't control/regulate themselves and need "masters" to confine in and follow.

There are many folks who go to bed with food in their bellies, and medicine for their ailments because of people of faith. You don't see the good because you don't really want to.

As far as restrictions, slave mentality and so forth ask yourself a question: Historically what exist in the absence of religion? The answer is oppression. I don't think that anyone will accuse Stalin's Russia, or modern day China as being bastions of freedom and understanding. Yet, in these countries religion was forced far underground, and practicing a religion could get your imprisoned and killed. According to your worldview Stalinist Russia and modern day China should be the epicenter of freedom and enlightenment.

Equality does not exist in nature. There are differences in intelligence, strength, creativity, and every other measurable characteristic of human beings. If you get down to the brass tacks you can divide humans into the strong and the weak.

Equality only exist in the religious doctrine of some faiths (as in we are all God's children, do unto others, and so forth) In the absence of religious faith of any kind we will always see the strong dominate the weak. Keep in mind this does not necessarily equal the physically strong dominating the physically weak. It just means that there will always be one group of rulers and one group of serfs.

The idea that "all men are created equal" is a religious idea, and when people truly believe and practice this then it is harder to foster an environment where the strong dominate the weak.


As far as the topic of the thread, I generally don't go to the movies so I will not go and see Maher's new flick. I will however watch it when it releases on DVD.

[Irish Cannon]

Maybe I'd see it if it was done by some legitimately intelligent people, and not some Hollywood nut-job.

I saw Ben Stein's documentary "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" which I thought was fantastic. I'm a Christian guy, and I enjoy hearing what other people think, but not when it's poorly thought out rants.

Of course there are religious nutcases out there. I understand that. What this guy's trying to do is make ALL Christians look like religious nutcases.

[Manimalia]

Originally Posted by Dadof2

There are many folks who go to bed with food in their bellies, and medicine for their ailments because of people of faith. You don't see the good because you don't really want to.

As far as restrictions, slave mentality and so forth ask yourself a question: Historically what exist in the absence of religion? The answer is oppression. I don't think that anyone will accuse Stalin's Russia, or modern day China as being bastions of freedom and understanding. Yet, in these countries religion was forced far underground, and practicing a religion could get your imprisoned and killed. According to your worldview Stalinist Russia and modern day China should be the epicenter of freedom and enlightenment.

Equality does not exist in nature. There are differences in intelligence, strength, creativity, and every other measurable characteristic of human beings. If you get down to the brass tacks you can divide humans into the strong and the weak.

Equality only exist in the religious doctrine of some faiths (as in we are all God's children, do unto others, and so forth) In the absence of religious faith of any kind we will always see the strong dominate the weak. Keep in mind this does not necessarily equal the physically strong dominating the physically weak. It just means that there will always be one group of rulers and one group of serfs.

The idea that "all men are created equal" is a religious idea, and when people truly believe and practice this then it is harder to foster an environment where the strong dominate the weak.


As far as the topic of the thread, I generally don't go to the movies so I will not go and see Maher's new flick. I will however watch it when it releases on DVD.

we can equate the bold words with religion for the sake of argument. anyways, you saying that secularism leads to oppression is false. one well-known example i can name, that we all would know, who practice peace and equality are buddhists. Not to mention an uncountable number of indigenous peoples worldwide. you're taking a particular and applying it to a whole, which is a fallacy.

and as for the next paragraph, attributes, or "strengths" come from experiences for all living creatures. for you to say that we are born either strong or weak implies that it's through a creator's choice, which is also a fallacy. without our senses, we would be nothing. if one were born unable to smell, touch, see, taste, or feel, they would be an animate-inanimate object. we gain our "strengths and weaknesses" through our environs and endeavors, nothing more. no stimuli/no response.

the idea that "all men are created equal" was NOT rooted in religion, especially a particular. it was written by men for men. religion, loosely from then on in, was given the boot, at least in political functions. that phrase means that all people would be treated equally to keep peace; they wanted to not suffery tyranny, quartering, and who knows what else from britain anymore. so there would be no turmoil in their own land among their own people with britain, as this was a very eventful, and i mean rebellious, time.

get it straight, mayn.

and me, yes, i'm going to see that flick, though i am sure the makers have biases of their own. heck, we all do.

[Hurleyboy05]

Here's an article and video I found at monstersandcritics.com:

Bill Maher talks 'Religulous' and the rise of Rationalism - Video
By M&C People Apr 8, 2008, 21:17 GMT

The new movie titled "Religulous" stars "Real Time" host Bill Maher, who along with Larry Charles produced the film. Maher investigates religion.

Maher is a self -proclaimed rationalist and atheist who has made no secret his about his disdain for all organized man-made religions and cults.

Larry Charles issued a statement about the movie:

"An old God, a very buff old God that lives in space decides to create the first man from earth dust, then makes a woman from that man’s rib. They get to live forever if they don’t eat the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge, but the woman is tricked into eating a piece by a talking snake and all future humanity is cursed.

Or, how 'bout this one?

This same space God who lives in the sky and has power over everything decides he wants a son, so he impregnates a woman but she remains a virgin. And, the child can walk on water and raise the dead. But his father, the sky God, sends him on a suicide mission to save humanity. After he dies, he rises from the dead and flies into space to be with his father (who is also him.)

Greek myths? The latest installment of the “Lord of the Rings”? Disney’s new animated movie? No! These are the foundations of Western religion. The tenuous shaky belief systems that our entire civilization rests upon.

What do you believe, why do you believe it, and why do you need to believe it?

Can we be good without God? Is religion a calling or a mental illness? Were Jesus, Moses and Mohammed prophets and visionaries, or crackpot nut cases who today would be put away?

Is religion an obsessive-compulsive disorder?

Comedian, acerbic commentator, raconteur, skeptic, seeker Bill Maher and I set off in search of answers to these questions in a raunchy, rude, irreverent, outrageous, and shocking nonfiction film about the greatest fiction ever told.

Set to the rhythms of “Sympathy for the Devil” and “Jesus Walks,” from the Western Wall to the Vatican, from self-professed messiahs to self professed Pariahs, we will not only expose the hypocrisy and corruption in organized religion but the absurdly hilarious logic that holds it together.

We will talk to clergy, extremists, scholars, politicians, ex-cons, the man on the street and even the man upstairs (that's right, we interview God.)

The funny will be scary, the scary wildly funny. The crazy will seem sane and the sane absolutely and undeniably crazy. All lines are blurred. All bets are off. We will get inside, on top of, behind, and in front of religion."