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HK or Glock

Which is the better 45 ACP

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raginfcktard said:
neither...get a sig
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Exactly what I was gonna say.

I have a Sig P226 9mm that I'm trying to sell, I'm getting a Sig P220 .45ACP

Sigs are the best handguns in the world, never been one recall, I know Glock can't say that, don't know about HK though.
 
Omen said:
Exactly what I was gonna say.

I have a Sig P226 9mm that I'm trying to sell, I'm getting a Sig P220 .45ACP

Sigs are the best handguns in the world, never been one recall, I know Glock can't say that, don't know about HK though.
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p220 .45 all the way...black talons too! i dare someone to break into my house!
 
raginfcktard said:
p220 .45 all the way...black talons too! i dare someone to break into my house!
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Black Talons are now Ranger SXT (Same eXact Thing :lol:)

I load up with Federal Hydrashok JHP 9mm, Same thing for the .45ACP when I get it.

Black Talons are over hyped IMO.

Black Talons are a waste unless you expect swat to break in your house.
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If SWAT was gonna break in his house, they'd be wearing level II or III body armor right? that's enough to stop a .45 ACP JHP.

The only problems were .357 Magnum and the FN 5.7 (red tip) that is not illegal, but no longer sold to civilians.

People toted Black Talons as cop killers, that's stupid, a .30-06 can be a cop killer, a .357 magnum, a .500 S&W magnum, a 12Gauge Slug might not penetrate but it would probably kill because of the shock.

Black Talons aren't really that big of a deal like people made em out to be, in fact, the Ranger SXT are the same thing and anyway, if you wanted penetration for body armor, going with a HP doesn't make sense.
 
Look at the Black Talon 9mm 147grain VS SXT 147grain

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VS the 127gr +P

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Ammo test main page:

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The expansion against non fleshy targets is shitty, everyone misses in a high risk situation, best one for home defense would be the powerbal , very low penetration if hit something solid, but enough to kill someone when you hit them repeatedly.
 
Honestly if someone comes in my house, I'd like to wait behind my blind spots and stab them from the lower back to the heart.

Although I do "clear" my house every time I leave and come back....I have a lot of enemies....:D
 
I'm not an ammo expert but last I looked at BT's I thought their danger was in being frangable.

Most SWAT will have level 3 or 4
 
illreguardless, bullets are bullets! they all fukin hurt...BAD!

home invasion (assume 5m range) with body armor, and assumming i shoot them in the chest...their asses are still going down (refering to armor toting thugs, and i hope swat never has to break in)
 
Omen said:
Honestly if someone comes in my house, I'd like to wait behind my blind spots and stab them from the lower back to the heart.

Although I do "clear" my house every time I leave and come back....I have a lot of enemies....:D
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:clap2: getting your hands dirty is much more noble IMO!:woohoo:
 
Jayhawkk said:
I'm not an ammo expert but last I looked at BT's I thought their danger was in being frangable.

Most SWAT will have level 3 or 4
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**** those light weight bullets....MAGSAFE! that's it, were toted as having 2,000 fps and sh*t turn into 1,000,000 pieces and kill better....never been proven, in fact they were proven to be less effective than a ball point...:hammer:

The black talons just expanded better, the design was 6 razor sharp edges, with a level 3 or 4 body armor black talon isn't even a concern.

Most civilians are gun ignorant and ammo dumb ****s, I remember taking out my gun and my friends place to go in the pool and his gf said the following "You carry HPs in your gun? " "FOR WHAT! this is not a war zone..." I didn't voice my entire opinion out of respect for my friend

Here's some good info

The negative media frenzy of late 1993 produced untrue assertions that Black Talon was an armor-piercing "cop-killer" bullet. We've fired both 9mm and .40 S&W Black Talon bullets into threat level IIA soft body armor and the armor easily stopped the bullets. The "armor-piercing" myth may have originated from the markings used on certain military small-arms ammunition. U.S. military cartridges with a black painted tip indicates the bullet is armor-piercing.

(Federal Nyclad ammunition is often mistaken as armor-piercing ammunition too, due to the blue-black nylon coating on the lead bullet.)

The black Lubalox coating on the Black Talon bullet is meant to reduce in-bore friction and chamber pressure. Once the bullet leaves the muzzle, the mission of the coating is completed. Lubalox does not give the bullet any special property that allows it to blast through police soft body armor.

Recently, the newer Winchester 9mm 127 grain +P+ Ranger SXT bullet (product number RA9SXTP) has been found to penetrate some lower threat level soft body armor. Second Chance Body Armor Company recalled one of its vests in response to officer safety concerns posed by this particular bullet.
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Jayhawkk said:
Id rather be shot than stabbed any day.
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I've been stabbed before, caught it with my left arm instead of my torso, I dunno about getting shot man, it could be anywhere and I can't do **** about stopping the bullet but I can atleast block a knife or have it stabbed in non critical areas like I did with my arm.
 
The smaller shrapnel would be pretty lethal in soft tissue though. Don't feel like looking it up but does the deep tissue damage become more lethal over a a ball or hollow-point type of ammunition? Only if you know because I don't expect you to look it up because i'm too lazy lol.
 
Jayhawkk said:
The smaller shrapnel would be pretty lethal in soft tissue though. Don't feel like looking it up but does the deep tissue damage become more lethal over a a ball or hollow-point type of ammunition? Only if you know because I don't expect you to look it up because i'm too lazy lol.
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Well the smaller shrapnel wouldn't be an issue with level 2 at all.

The damage would be more lethal over a HP in most cases.....it expands and becomes razor sharp, a .45 will become a .70 (approx) with razor sharp edges.

The ball point will still be a .45...with soft edges...the only time it might be better to get hit with a HP if it strikes shallow tissue......let's say the HP goes through a barrier, doesn't expand, slows down, but expands on clothes, pec muscles and bones, misses heart...you win, if it was a ball ammo, you'd be dead because it's in your heart.

For civilians or off duty cops, I'd say HP is a lot worse, for people with BA I would say ball point is worse because you have a better chance of penetration.
 
In my experience Ball won't penetrate jack ****. I've shot level 2a through 4a with 9 and 40 ammo and it never made it through. I think in larger caliber it definitely would though.
 
Jayhawkk said:
In my experience Ball won't penetrate jack ****. I've shot level 2a through 4a with 9 and 40 ammo and it never made it through. I think in larger caliber it definitely would though.
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You are correct, "some" 9/40 won't penetrate 2A, not all, here's a complete list:

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pretty sure original black talons were considered body armor killers because they had a (black) teflon coating. They were banned because of ridiculous penetration.
 
thaOrleanyte said:
pretty sure original black talons were considered body armor killers because they had a (black) teflon coating. They were banned because of ridiculous penetration.
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Wrong in so many ways :rolleyes:

Winchester Black Talons had a black Lubalox coating, black talons never had teflon coating, people assumed it did because some Military armor piercing rounds are painted black with teflon, to reduce rifiling wear, not penetration.

The black Lubalox coating on the Black Talon bullet is meant to reduce in-bore friction and chamber pressure. Once the bullet leaves the muzzle, the mission of the coating is completed. Lubalox does not give the bullet any special property that allows it to blast through police soft body armor.

PTFE (brand name Teflon) is used to coat armor piercing rounds to reduce the amount of wear on a firearm's rifling, it has no effect on the bullet's ability to penetrate soft armor, in fact, the teflon on the round is actually removed in air by the bullet's speed and doesn't even reach the target.

Teflon coated bullets are legal in most states, that shows how dumb this argument is, The federal ban on armor-piercing ammunition uses only the composition of the bullet's core to determine legality.

Ridiculous penetration eh?

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We've fired both 9mm and .40 S&W Black Talon bullets into threat level IIA soft body armor and the armor easily stopped the bullets. The "armor-piercing" myth may have originated from the markings used on certain military small-arms ammunition. U.S. military cartridges with a black painted tip indicates the bullet is armor-piercing.
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It's even more funny and disturbing at the same time when you people think JHP (black talons) are better for penetration than standard ball ammo......:toofunny:
 
I carried a Glock 21 .45ACP through my entire tenure as a street cop and later as an investigator. I have literally shot several thousand rounds of ammo out of the thing, and can count the number of times that it has jammed on one hand (and these malfunctions were due to either shooting practice ammo/reloads, or using a magazine with a weak spring).

The gun is reliable, durable, and accurate. I have nothing but good things to say about my decade of Glock ownership.

I have never owned a HK, but based on my admittedly limited experience with them they seem to be fine guns.
 
your sooo smart. have my children
 
o and if u got a xd that jams.... you got a lemon. look into ruger sp101's. my favorite carry pistol
 
Dadof2 said:
I carried a Glock 21 .45ACP through my entire tenure as a street cop and later as an investigator. I have literally shot several thousand rounds of ammo out of the thing, and can count the number of times that it has jammed on one hand (and these malfunctions were due to either shooting practice ammo/reloads, or using a magazine with a weak spring).

The gun is reliable, durable, and accurate. I have nothing but good things to say about my decade of Glock ownership.

I have never owned a HK, but based on my admittedly limited experience with them they seem to be fine guns.
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Why are 99% of cops members of the church of Glock.....:fool2:

I tried to sell my 226 to my friend and his dept. issues Glock 21 also...."NO! I want a Glock!" :hammer:

your sooo smart. have my children
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Hopefully these holes I've been making in your condoms will do the job, I felt "weird" this morning.

no, i am definately considering a sig. its the sig 220 45 acp i want. sucks i gotta wait till christmas though....
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That's what I'm getting too, I might go with the certified pre-owned like I did with my 226, $600-650, 6 hour Sig factory test, 1 year warranty,etc... on a normal day at the range I shoot about 1000 rounds/hr , no jams=happy shooter!
 
Omen said:
Hopefully these holes I've been making in your condoms will do the job, I felt "weird" this morning.
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hahaha.... it's possible. This relationship is over if it takes you getting pregnant to keep me around!!!
 
Omen said:
Why are 99% of cops members of the church of Glock.....:fool2:


I am not a Glock evangelist or anything like that, it just happens to be a gun that I have had a lot of experience with. The OP wanted some opinions, and I am only able to give a valid opinion based on experience with a Glock.

I like HK and I like Sig, but I cant really say anything else about those guns.
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Dadof2 said:
Omen said:
Why are 99% of cops members of the church of Glock.....:fool2:


I am not a Glock evangelist or anything like that, it just happens to be a gun that I have had a lot of experience with. The OP wanted some opinions, and I am only able to give a valid opinion based on experience with a Glock.

I like HK and I like Sig, but I cant really say anything else about those guns.
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True, I just never liked the lighter weight of the Glock, the way it felt in my hands or the safeties on it, the safeties are a major issue.

I carry my 226 with one round in the chamber, it has ZERO safeties except a decocker.
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Just got back from the range today.

I voted glock. I had a 22 model and shot straight as an arrow.

I played with my 642 today, havent shot it in a bit.

Im itching for another carry gun?

9mm......any recommendations?
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Just got back from the range today.

I voted glock. I had a 22 model and shot straight as an arrow.

I played with my 642 today, havent shot it in a bit.

Im itching for another carry gun?

9mm......any recommendations?
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Yeah, Sig SP2022 $613.00

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It's a smaller gun, btw, I'm trying to sell my P226 9mm I have 2 15 rnd magazines, 2 20 rnd magazines, 1 bottle of strike hold, cleaning kit, 500 rnds of ball point ammo and 80 rounds of high quality JHP.

Send me a PM if you're interested.
 
hk usp TACTICAL!!

or save up a lil more and get a .45 kimber 1911..i got my custom2 for around 900!! price tag said 700 though ;).. im a sucker for 1911's
 
Omen said:
Yeah, Sig SP2022 $613.00

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It's a smaller gun, btw, I'm trying to sell my P226 9mm I have 2 15 rnd magazines, 2 20 rnd magazines, 1 bottle of strike hold, cleaning kit, 500 rnds of ball point ammo and 80 rounds of high quality JHP.

Send me a PM if you're interested.
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Thanks for the information. mucho appreciation

thats a nice gun man.
 
DreamOfWeight said:
hk usp TACTICAL!!

or save up a lil more and get a .45 kimber 1911..i got my custom2 for around 900!! price tag said 700 though ;).. im a sucker for 1911's
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Amen brother! Kimber makes a damn fine 1911... and if i were in the market for a .45 thats all i'd be looking at... besides either a USP .45 tac or a HK MK23. I'm a total sucker for HK and I feel that their pistols are just the most beautiful things out there, and have a mean no-nonsense look to em... For some reason the Sigs all look like painted water pistols to me, and are too blocky and goofy lookin. I vote USP or Kimber
 
Whichever one fits your hand the best is the answer I would go with. I don't like the feel of glocks, but berettas and sigs feel good in my hands. Never used an HK
 
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