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[ineedaname]

ok, im a member on here under a different name but i dont want this to be associated with me.

for the longest time i can remember that ive seen ghost or things of that nature. it happens on a regular basis and occasionaly my wife sees them with me. growing up on occasion my family would randomly see them but i would see them far more often. id say 1 in 10 times someone else sees what im seeing at the same time.
does anyone else have this issue or ever expierenced it

 

[ineedaname]

by the way... its not always just seeing things. theres more, like the other night my couch was moved and weve had things thrown on the ground. seen things slide across the room before.
and theres other things i dont care to talk about that happen to.
also, this happens in everyhouse ive moved in so its not like a haunted house

 

[ineedaname]

noone has anythign to say

 

[CDB]

Welcome to the world of the weird. I've seen a few weird things in my time at different locations. Two ghosts, doors shutting on their own, and a couple things moving. I have no theories as to what causes such things or if they're even real or just some kind of common hallucination. I've done some reading though. If what you're saying is true, you've either got a poltergeist or some other nonlocalized phenomena to deal with.

As to what to do about it, get a priest's blessing, burn some sage, go to a witch doctor or a medicine man, or a professional investigator, etc. It all seems to have the same chance of working as not. Or, just learn to deal with it. Telling more about the occupants of the house could also help target the problem. Any adolescents around, teenagers under stress or mentally disabled?

 

[ineedaname]

ive had priest bless the house. ive had a occult specialist talk to me. nothings worked
now this is the real reason i didnt want my real screen name on here.
i have had expierences where i feel what the spirit feels and can hear them. ive looked up things on what ive heard and found hard facts supporting it.
no adolescents or mental issues at the house. its followed me everywhere i go though. like every house this has happened

 

[CDB]

Million dollar question: is it bothering you? Despite what you see on A Haunting on TDC there really isn't much documentation of spirits or poltergeists actually harming people. Mental stress sure, but physically you're not likely to be in any danger really. So it comes down to the mental: does it really bother you? What do you 'feel' when they 'feel'? What are they saying when you 'hear' them? Also, is it in stereo or localized? Is it really hearing or is it in your head? You can tell the difference because you'll still be able to 'hear' them despite loud ambient noise if it's in your head.

If they're in stereo and telling you to do **** you normally wouldn't want to, go see a shrink fast and get some anti psycotics. Otherwise, you might just want to learn to deal. I have friends who claim they see dead relatives all the time. To them it seems like a normal fact of life, which I guess it may be. If you're not crazy and your senses are just atuned to a level of things most people can't or won't see, you either have to learn to deal or do the equivalent of getting polarized shades to block the part of the spectrum that's bugging you.

Edit: as an aside, since it's non localized you could be dealing with anything from a poltergeist to a demon to a well travelled ghost to psychosis of some kind. Don't discount the latter, crazy people don't know they're crazy and if you haven't seen a shrink it wouldn't hurt to get a few sessions in to make sure you're not going to go Son of Sam on anyone. Once he or she signs off on the fact that you're a sane person who is seeing and hearing things, then deal with the other ****. As of right now and in all seriousness if you do have a mental illness you're still on your game enough to know that something is out of whack and needs tending to, and that's the time to nip it in the bud.

ive had priest bless the house. ive had a occult specialist talk to me. nothings worked
now this is the real reason i didnt want my real screen name on here.
i have had expierences where i feel what the spirit feels and can hear them. ive looked up things on what ive heard and found hard facts supporting it.
no adolescents or mental issues at the house. its followed me everywhere i go though. like every house this has happened

 

[ineedaname]

they dont actualy bother me. they scare my wife to death. growing up i would constantly cry to sleep but ive learned that they dont mean harm.
sometimes i can sense that they are sad or hurting and i feel it. this is where the facts come in.
i had sharp stomach pains and i kept hearing the name **** and a date, i researched it and there was a local man by that name on that date that was stabbed repeatedly in the abdomen.

 

[CDB]

Well, you could go the hoaky route and try to see if there's some unfinished business of his. The theory goes like this, and it is supported by absolutely no evidence, that if they're hanging around because of unfinished business they will latch on to people who have a chance of resolving what they couldn't while alive. So the operative question then, assuming you are sane, is why you? Are you related in any way? This is specific to you, not location, so there's something about you that's drawing his whateverthehellitis, spirit, aura, last impressed moments on the Earth, etc.

Ever tried communicating with a ouija board or through a medium? Sounds like other than the attempted exorcisms you've just been letting things be. Do some more investigation get in touch with the dude if possible. Who knows, he may lead you to unclaimed millions. At the very least his spirit ain't doing so well and a friend wouldn't hurt. Assuming he was human and it's not some demon using his spirit for cover to get into your life, which I understand is possible, whatever it may be or mean.

they dont actualy bother me. they scare my wife to death. growing up i would constantly cry to sleep but ive learned that they dont mean harm.
sometimes i can sense that they are sad or hurting and i feel it. this is where the facts come in.
i had sharp stomach pains and i kept hearing the name **** and a date, i researched it and there was a local man by that name on that date that was stabbed repeatedly in the abdomen.

 

[holyintellect]

I have never seen anything I would associate with paranormal activity, but I had a very close friend who did...Although I never saw or experienced his "ghost", I was convinced that he did....

holy

 

[ineedaname]

i talked to a medium and all they ended up saying is that i too am i a medium but am not open to it.

 

[Nightwanderer]

Don't pay anyone else any more money to try to figure out what's going on with you aside from any psych evaluations. I've honestly never met anyone I felt was genuinely experiencing anything 'paranormal' that decided they were going to try to directly profit from it.

 

[Red Dog]

Have you ever gotten feedback from an attempt to communicate with whatever it is that may be present? I mean, questions about what "they" want, who they are, why they're around, etc.

 

[CDB]

Don't pay anyone else any more money to try to figure out what's going on with you aside from any psych evaluations. I've honestly never met anyone I felt was genuinely experiencing anything 'paranormal' that decided they were going to try to directly profit from it.

I used to agree. But sometimes people get what I call a What The ****?! moment. It's when you're lucid, awake, not stoned or inebriated in any way, and see something that you know just can't happen. Like a pot take a ballastic arc across the room when no one was there to throw it, or a door slam shut with no one there to push it and no draft to drive it, or you get a poke or a shove and there's no one else in the room but you. It gives you pause. At the very least it's an interesting phenomena, by it psychological or paranormal.

 

[Nightwanderer]

I used to agree. But sometimes people get what I call a What The ****?! moment. It's when you're lucid, awake, not stoned or inebriated in any way, and see something that you know just can't happen. Like a pot take a ballastic arc across the room when no one was there to throw it, or a door slam shut with no one there to push it and no draft to drive it, or you get a poke or a shove and there's no one else in the room but you. It gives you pause. At the very least it's an interesting phenomena, by it psychological or paranormal.

I think you may misunderstand me,
It's not a person's experiences or belief that they are real that I warn against, it's the people who take financial advantage of it you have to be careful with. What I'm saying is that those with legitimate experiences or honest capabilities usually don't take house calls. I've seen too many faithful and good natured people parted with their money by charlatans who had better pray they never meet the things they claim to see while 'on the job'.

 

[CDB]

I think you may misunderstand me,
It's not a person's experiences or belief that they are real that I warn against, it's the people who take financial advantage of it you have to be careful with. What I'm saying is that those with legitimate experiences or honest capabilities usually don't take house calls. I've seen too many faithful and good natured people parted with their money by charlatans who had better pray they never meet the things they claim to see while 'on the job'.

See what you're saying. The John Edwards types. I agree. Though I find there are genuine people who won't charge for their services, help or advice.

 

[toughchick401]

My best friend from when I was 7 is one of the members of the Ghost Hunters group, why not email them, at least present your case, find out what your dealing with, or live with it.......

Good Luck

 

[shaddow]

Whoa. Ok, so how's this for creepy... I just read the first post in this thread and I'm thinking, 'Man, this dude is smoking something'... I just don't believe any of that paranormal $hit. I don't buy it...

So I go downstairs, heat up some food, and turn on the TV... I'm spread out on the floor watching Sports Center, when all of a sudden, the iPod behind me sitting in the docking station turns on LOUD AS HELL. It was about 5 feet away just sitting there... WTF?? :blink: That totally just bugged me out!!! :run:

 

[Zero V]

OK brosky. Here is the christian insight.


No beings of the supernatural existence are good. Save for angelic beings.

When you die, you are instantly sent to heaven or hell. There is no limbo, you are dragged out of this world.

That leaves only angels and demons to wander the spiritual realm. Ghosts are indeed demons. mediums are non christian.

What a medium is is a person who has been blessed with a gift of the spirit but does not use it the way it was supposed to be.

Are you christian yourself? Are you saved, have you taken authority over it? God gave us authority over such things for a reason.

God does NOT create a spirit of fear in people, so if there is anyone around you that suffers that, duh its bad.

If you are christian, filled with the holy spirit, and knowledgeable in the word, then bring some fellow Christians into the picture and call in the holy spirit.

Do not do it alone.

I have had experience before. I am going into the ministry.

 

[Rugger]

You're ****ed.

 

[Rugger]

PS, Zero, don't catholics aka christians believe in purgatory?

 

[Zero V]

PS, Zero, don't catholics aka christians believe in purgatory?

Catholics aren't Christians in the same sense. There are reasons we you don't see one at the others services. Catholics absorb things from other religions, they are breaking away from the gospel slowly, and are usually very very....relaxed on how sin is taken care of. It is not as personal as Christianity with relationship to God. They dont access the authroity and gifts given to us.

Christians believe in being filled with the holy spirit, absorb no other religious materials. Use the authority God gave us to perform healings, cast out demons, etc. Sin as a christian result in direct feelings from God. and its a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the Father.

Christians actually left the catholic church during the renaissance because of how corrupt it has become. There is talk that the catholic church could the " spoken of in revelations, since it absorbs form other religions. Also do you know the Vatican is actually of freemason design? look at an aerial view of it. It is basically the symbol of a cult.

 

[Rugger]

How aren't Catholics Christians in the same sense? By definition a Christian is someone who follows Christ and/or his teachings and/or also accepts the Nicene creed.

Catholics fall into all of these categories. Anyways, I don't care. Some Christians do believe in purgatory, though. That's undeniable.

 

[ineedaname]

Don't pay anyone else any more money to try to figure out what's going on with you aside from any psych evaluations. I've honestly never met anyone I felt was genuinely experiencing anything 'paranormal' that decided they were going to try to directly profit from it.

i have never paid anyone any money for help wiht this.

since our last house blessings my wife feels that the house is cleansed and that they are no longer with us... however i saw one two nights ago. i havent told her about it because shes extremely scared of them.

 

[CDB]

i have never paid anyone any money for help wiht this.

since our last house blessings my wife feels that the house is cleansed and that they are no longer with us... however i saw one two nights ago. i havent told her about it because shes extremely scared of them.

Saw one what though? Is it this guy who was stabbed popping in and out of vision, or is it someone/thing else?

 

[slow-mun]

Catholics aren't Christians in the same sense. There are reasons we you don't see one at the others services. Catholics absorb things from other religions, they are breaking away from the gospel slowly, and are usually very very....relaxed on how sin is taken care of. It is not as personal as Christianity with relationship to God. They dont access the authroity and gifts given to us.

Christians believe in being filled with the holy spirit, absorb no other religious materials. Use the authority God gave us to perform healings, cast out demons, etc. Sin as a christian result in direct feelings from God. and its a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the Father.

Christians actually left the catholic church during the renaissance because of how corrupt it has become. There is talk that the catholic church could the the "whore" spoken of in revelations, since it absorbs form other religions. Also do you know the Vatican is actually of freemason design? look at an aerial view of it. It is basically the symbol of a cult.

Please do not post this nonsense any more. Even as a non-practicing Catholic I find offense in this. BTW, what religion are you that allows you to be a true "christian?"

 

[motive]

screw this.... ok so i was worried about how people would react to me having this stuff happen to me so i made up a new name but honestly the private messages and posts have been nothing but helpful.

 

[motive]

Saw one what though? Is it this guy who was stabbed popping in and out of vision, or is it someone/thing else?

no, after learning all that stuff about that one he never came back.
the other night i woke up to my dogs barking... oh, forgot to tell you that my dogs see them and growl at them sometimes.
one of my dogs jumped off the bed barking at my bedroom doorway and when i looked i saw a shadow figure float down the hall to the other bedroom. my dog followed as did i but it was gone. this is a new one but i could feel it too. no real communication though.
tonight im going to do this thing called dead time and try talking directly to them. this was advice given by a medium/psychic. and i usualy dont believe in psychics but this guy knew nothing about any of these stories and he told me all about it. exact details and more. he even told me some stuff that i hadnt even shared with my wife

 

[Zero V]

Please do not post this nonsense any more. Even as a non-practicing Catholic I find offense in this. BTW, what religion are you that allows you to be a true "christian?"

This is just to reply to slow, I hope you get the spirit thing taking care of bro. I got one out of my house by anointing it. That was a fight.... ever been chocked by something not there?

Not Catholics themselves. I posted true history you will learn in college. The whole breaking apart from the corrupt catholic church.....humanities at college man. The Catholic church was more corrupt than the U.S. gov. In order to make it to heaven you had to pay them certain amount for your sins to be forgiven. That and in the 1500's they ADDED 7 more books to the bible. Which in the back of the bible in revelations it says anyone who adds or takes away from the scripture is in trouble to say the least.

The name part I will remove because after reading it that was kinda harsh, but i should use "melting pot" It absorbes other religions and incorporates some of its practices. It does what it has to for it to spread. I do apologize for the wording, I was ticked at my ex last night..... I am talking to a catholic girl that I like myself man. And hope it goes somewhere.

I believe Catholics are the same as Christians. But Catholics have a darker past, and present(such as with all the priests an lil boys).Your normal catholic person is the same as a christian, but the upper levels....are different. Where as Christians everything is open to everyone, Catholics are secretive sometimes. Which is also spoken against in the bible.

I meant no offense!

A "True Christian" is someone who walks after Christ, and strives for perfection, though we will always fall short. Someone who is not caught up in money, the world, secular ways(pre maritial sex, drinking, taking in the dirt of the world[bad tv/music/reading/porn/etc]) Someone who serves sacrificially always thinking of others.

they are not limited to a single denomination or branch of Christianity of Catholicism.


Pretty much the reason I have against Catholic beliefs, but not the people who so in worship in that style. They are making mother mary "co-redemptionist" which is blasphemous because it lowers Christ to the same level as a normal human. They have the 7 extra added books in the bible, one of which describes Jesus being something like 20 feet tall when he walks out of the tomb :think: They have all kinds of saints they pray to. But I believe they are saved if they live the righteous life just like a christian.

I mean even Christianity has Methodist, Pentecostal, baptist, and so on for a good bit.

I meant no offense. But here are the reasoning behind then. I mean college classes do teach the Catholic church was corrupt and power hungry beyond belief before piousness lost its place in power.

Christians and Catholics are essentially the same. But with some differences that each person finds benefits them better.

My sis is catholic, and the presence of God came on her when she was praying for my grandma. God works there, the same as in Christians. Just not as often as I like myself.

I am open to corrections if you have any.

I really don't have an issue with anyone who is catholic, but knowing my history Christians were murdered, beaten, imprisoned for worshiping God themselves by the Catholic Church. Public college BTW, bot a christian one in case your wondering.

I would worship alongside anyone be them Christian or Catholic, though my style will differ greatly from Catholicism.

 

[Xodus]

Catch it on video tape. You can be the first one to ever document a 'ghost', sell the footage and move someplace else...

 

[CDB]

Be very careful of psychics, make sure you aren't giving them the information they miraculously know. Cold reading is a technique anyone can learn and apply.

no, after learning all that stuff about that one he never came back.
the other night i woke up to my dogs barking... oh, forgot to tell you that my dogs see them and growl at them sometimes.
one of my dogs jumped off the bed barking at my bedroom doorway and when i looked i saw a shadow figure float down the hall to the other bedroom. my dog followed as did i but it was gone. this is a new one but i could feel it too. no real communication though.
tonight im going to do this thing called dead time and try talking directly to them. this was advice given by a medium/psychic. and i usualy dont believe in psychics but this guy knew nothing about any of these stories and he told me all about it. exact details and more. he even told me some stuff that i hadnt even shared with my wife

 

[slow-mun]

This is just to reply to slow, I hope you get the spirit thing taking care of bro. I got one out of my house by anointing it. That was a fight.... ever been chocked by something not there?

Not Catholics themselves. I posted true history you will learn in college. The whole breaking apart from the corrupt catholic church.....humanities at college man. The Catholic church was more corrupt than the U.S. gov. In order to make it to heaven you had to pay them certain amount for your sins to be forgiven. That and in the 1500's they ADDED 7 more books to the bible. Which in the back of the bible in revelations it says anyone who adds or takes away from the scripture is in trouble to say the least.

The name part I will remove because after reading it that was kinda harsh, but i should use "melting pot" It absorbes other religions and incorporates some of its practices. It does what it has to for it to spread. I do apologize for the wording, I was ticked at my ex last night..... I am talking to a catholic girl that I like myself man. And hope it goes somewhere.

I believe Catholics are the same as Christians. But Catholics have a darker past, and present(such as with all the priests an lil boys).Your normal catholic person is the same as a christian, but the upper levels....are different. Where as Christians everything is open to everyone, Catholics are secretive sometimes. Which is also spoken against in the bible.

I meant no offense!

A "True Christian" is someone who walks after Christ, and strives for perfection, though we will always fall short. Someone who is not caught up in money, the world, secular ways(pre maritial sex, drinking, taking in the dirt of the world[bad tv/music/reading/porn/etc]) Someone who serves sacrificially always thinking of others.

they are not limited to a single denomination or branch of Christianity of Catholicism.


Pretty much the reason I have against Catholic beliefs, but not the people who so in worship in that style. They are making mother mary "co-redemptionist" which is blasphemous because it lowers Christ to the same level as a normal human. They have the 7 extra added books in the bible, one of which describes Jesus being something like 20 feet tall when he walks out of the tomb :think: They have all kinds of saints they pray to. But I believe they are saved if they live the righteous life just like a christian.

I mean even Christianity has Methodist, Pentecostal, baptist, and so on for a good bit.

I meant no offense. But here are the reasoning behind then. I mean college classes do teach the Catholic church was corrupt and power hungry beyond belief before piousness lost its place in power.

Christians and Catholics are essentially the same. But with some differences that each person finds benefits them better.

My sis is catholic, and the presence of God came on her when she was praying for my grandma. God works there, the same as in Christians. Just not as often as I like myself.

I am open to corrections if you have any.

I really don't have an issue with anyone who is catholic, but knowing my history Christians were murdered, beaten, imprisoned for worshiping God themselves by the Catholic Church. Public college BTW, bot a christian one in case your wondering.

I would worship alongside anyone be them Christian or Catholic, though my style will differ greatly from Catholicism.

This is my last post with this thread....

You still have not answered my question as to what religion you are a part of. I also have studied theology in college(look at my age before you try to insinuate that are somehow more knowledgeable on this subject). If I wanted to knit pick, then I could easily blast whatever religion that you are part of based on historical facts and manipulation of biblical text. What you are doing is hypocritical and is what makes me loathe organized religion as a whole. I hope at some point during your lifetime you will see the errors of your way, but I somehow doubt it.

*I apologize for high jacking this thread and I will limit this to negative reps for now on.

 

[motive]

As far as cold readings... I didn't even give him my name. We shoke hands and he just went off. I was put in touch with this guy by a friend who is a cop. They use him in missing people cases.

I have family coming in tomorrow so I'm worried but they have seen it before so its nothing new

 

[Xodus]

As far as cold readings... I didn't even give him my name. We shoke hands and he just went off. I was put in touch with this guy by a friend who is a cop. They use him in missing people cases.

I have family coming in tomorrow so I'm worried but they have seen it before so its nothing new

You do realize that there has not been a single documented instance of a psychic helping 'solve' any murder/missing person, etc. case.

 

[Zero V]

This is my last post with this thread....

You still have not answered my question as to what religion you are a part of. I also have studied theology in college(look at my age before you try to insinuate that are somehow more knowledgeable on this subject). If I wanted to knit pick, then I could easily blast whatever religion that you are part of based on historical facts and manipulation of biblical text. What you are doing is hypocritical and is what makes me loathe organized religion as a whole. I hope at some point during your lifetime you will see the errors of your way, but I somehow doubt it.

*I apologize for high jacking this thread and I will limit this to negative reps for now on.

Guess it should be my last too, and sorry myself.

So you prefer unorganized religion then? I don't believe in religion. But I do believe in gather together to support on another in your beliefs. You can blast science into pieces just as much as you can religion. Such as theories about how old the earth is, they are always called "facts". Manipulation of biblical texts are avoided by making sure they appear multiple times in the bible(so that nothing can contradict) and that it lines up with the will of God as well as using the scripture before and after said verse to make sure its being used properly. People who try that when I talk about the bible often quite down after they get a real explanation. Historical facts support the bible anyhow. But let us leave this be because talk about beliefs always go the same route. I am not more knowledgeable, but I study under people who are. Seen a preacher explain to a non believer how God can be everywhere at once, the guy shut up. And it was simple too. Problem with people is they think too much, when you think to much you question faith, when you question faith it dies when it dies you give up believing.



Psychics can sometimes tick off a spirit man. So I would be careful. I would recommend you avoid people who advertise themselves as psychics. I mean, they are technically claiming to be able to know and invade all things with ESP, really want someone who doesn't even know what kind of powers they are using trying to deal with a bewildered spirit? That's like asking a wiji board where your keys are....

 

[CDB]

You do realize that there has not been a single documented instance of a psychic helping 'solve' any murder/missing person, etc. case.

You mean all those Lifetime movies were making it up?

:sad:

 

[Xodus]

You mean all those Lifetime movies were making it up?

:sad:

I think all they do is slow down real investigations. Then stupid shows like Medium come on and try to pass it off like it 'happens all the time'...

Sucker born every minute.

 

[bigrobbierob]

My wife is sensative.

We live close to Waverly Hills and I want to go, but she won't. She's afarid she'll attract them like moths to a flame.

 

[Zero V]

Simply tell it to go, leave you with your peace.

 

[AE14]

This is just to reply to slow, I hope you get the spirit thing taking care of bro. I got one out of my house by anointing it. That was a fight.... ever been chocked by something not there?

Not Catholics themselves. I posted true history you will learn in college. The whole breaking apart from the corrupt catholic church.....humanities at college man. The Catholic church was more corrupt than the U.S. gov. In order to make it to heaven you had to pay them certain amount for your sins to be forgiven. That and in the 1500's they ADDED 7 more books to the bible. Which in the back of the bible in revelations it says anyone who adds or takes away from the scripture is in trouble to say the least.

The name part I will remove because after reading it that was kinda harsh, but i should use "melting pot" It absorbes other religions and incorporates some of its practices. It does what it has to for it to spread. I do apologize for the wording, I was ticked at my ex last night..... I am talking to a catholic girl that I like myself man. And hope it goes somewhere.

I believe Catholics are the same as Christians. But Catholics have a darker past, and present(such as with all the priests an lil boys).Your normal catholic person is the same as a christian, but the upper levels....are different. Where as Christians everything is open to everyone, Catholics are secretive sometimes. Which is also spoken against in the bible.

I meant no offense!

A "True Christian" is someone who walks after Christ, and strives for perfection, though we will always fall short. Someone who is not caught up in money, the world, secular ways(pre maritial sex, drinking, taking in the dirt of the world[bad tv/music/reading/porn/etc]) Someone who serves sacrificially always thinking of others.

they are not limited to a single denomination or branch of Christianity of Catholicism.


Pretty much the reason I have against Catholic beliefs, but not the people who so in worship in that style. They are making mother mary "co-redemptionist" which is blasphemous because it lowers Christ to the same level as a normal human. They have the 7 extra added books in the bible, one of which describes Jesus being something like 20 feet tall when he walks out of the tomb :think: They have all kinds of saints they pray to. But I believe they are saved if they live the righteous life just like a christian.

I mean even Christianity has Methodist, Pentecostal, baptist, and so on for a good bit.

I meant no offense. But here are the reasoning behind then. I mean college classes do teach the Catholic church was corrupt and power hungry beyond belief before piousness lost its place in power.

Christians and Catholics are essentially the same. But with some differences that each person finds benefits them better.

My sis is catholic, and the presence of God came on her when she was praying for my grandma. God works there, the same as in Christians. Just not as often as I like myself.

I am open to corrections if you have any.

I really don't have an issue with anyone who is catholic, but knowing my history Christians were murdered, beaten, imprisoned for worshiping God themselves by the Catholic Church. Public college BTW, bot a christian one in case your wondering.

I would worship alongside anyone be them Christian or Catholic, though my style will differ greatly from Catholicism.

just ot let you know I have taught religion for years, and you are missing a great deal about the early christians and their corruption as well. When you look at the Roman christians, and why they became that way it is more interesting and eye opening IMO

 

[Zero V]

just ot let you know I have taught religion for years, and you are missing a great deal about the early christians and their corruption as well. When you look at the Roman christians, and why they became that way it is more interesting and eye opening IMO

Roman Christians had to deal with the pagan society, I mean church was basically set up in old pagan temples. You do know the Christians as they are today though, didn't come to be until Martin Luther posted the ninety five theses on the church door. The father of the protestant revolution and this was the time period of the big church reformation. Before that time Christianity was just like Catholicism. Only the big wigs could read the bible because it was written in Hebrew or Greek. Martin Luther began translation of it into vernacular print.(local languages) That is when Christianity became what it is today. before that it was basically the same thing as Catholicism. There were many men during the renaissance period that stepped out of the church to say that the individual had a right to God, and that they didn't have to go through those of the papal.

The roman Christianity was a unique blend, and way before the reformation of the church. That was a even darker time for Catholicism itself too. But Christians in Rome suffered great pains, persecution, and death until Constantine decided to make it accepted. I gots me history understood my friend. Christianity has come to break apart so that no single church has to answer to anyone but God, though there are organized churches that work together to help each other financially as well as spiritually. But it is optional to be a part of that and you can break free. Catholic is catholic, it all ties back to ONE single human being. The Pope. Whenever an electoral office is instituted, corruption breeds.

I believe Christians have more issues today with greedy T.V Evangelists, single churches where the wrong message is preached(Obamas church anyone? I think its christian), and Christians who just call themselves Christians but don't have a clue what it means. People don't respect faith when you don't have to risk your life to believe. Go to another country, those are Christians when their own people despise them for their faith and love of Jesus Christ.

 

[CDB]

I think all they do is slow down real investigations. Then stupid shows like Medium come on and try to pass it off like it 'happens all the time'...

Sucker born every minute.

Yeah, but what about the Lifetime movies?

 

[motive]

you say theres never been proof but how exactly would you prove it was pyschic???

 

[Rugger]

Roman Christians had to deal with the pagan society, I mean church was basically set up in old pagan temples. You do know the Christians as they are today though, didn't come to be until Martin Luther posted the ninety five theses on the church door. The father of the protestant revolution and this was the time period of the big church reformation. Before that time Christianity was just like Catholicism. Only the big wigs could read the bible because it was written in Hebrew or Greek. Martin Luther began translation of it into vernacular print.(local languages) That is when Christianity became what it is today. before that it was basically the same thing as Catholicism. There were many men during the renaissance period that stepped out of the church to say that the individual had a right to God, and that they didn't have to go through those of the papal.

The roman Christianity was a unique blend, and way before the reformation of the church. That was a even darker time for Catholicism itself too. But Christians in Rome suffered great pains, persecution, and death until Constantine decided to make it accepted. I gots me history understood my friend. Christianity has come to break apart so that no single church has to answer to anyone but God, though there are organized churches that work together to help each other financially as well as spiritually. But it is optional to be a part of that and you can break free. Catholic is catholic, it all ties back to ONE single human being. The Pope. Whenever an electoral office is instituted, corruption breeds.

I believe Christians have more issues today with greedy T.V Evangelists, single churches where the wrong message is preached(Obamas church anyone? I think its christian), and Christians who just call themselves Christians but don't have a clue what it means. People don't respect faith when you don't have to risk your life to believe. Go to another country, those are Christians when their own people despise them for their faith and love of Jesus Christ.

Take your **** somewhere else.

 

[CDB]

you say theres never been proof but how exactly would you prove it was pyschic???

You'd have to exclude any material way of solving the case somehow, basically showing how it could not have been solved without the medium's input. And then you have to divorce that input from whatever evidence the medium had access to, showing that there was no way the medium could have in/deduced their contribution.

 

[motive]

all i know is my friend has helped find bodies, missing children, evidence... all sorts of things without knowing anything other than being able to see the crime scene.

 

[Xodus]

all i know is my friend has helped find bodies, missing children, evidence... all sorts of things without knowing anything other than being able to see the crime scene.

Then your friend would be the first documented case of it. It has never happened.

 

[AnonyMoose]

Catholics aren't Christians in the same sense. There are reasons we you don't see one at the others services. Catholics absorb things from other religions, they are breaking away from the gospel slowly, and are usually very very....relaxed on how sin is taken care of. It is not as personal as Christianity with relationship to God. They dont access the authroity and gifts given to us.

Christians believe in being filled with the holy spirit, absorb no other religious materials. Use the authority God gave us to perform healings, cast out demons, etc. Sin as a christian result in direct feelings from God. and its a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the Father.

Christians actually left the catholic church during the renaissance because of how corrupt it has become. There is talk that the catholic church could the " spoken of in revelations, since it absorbs form other religions. Also do you know the Vatican is actually of freemason design? look at an aerial view of it. It is basically the symbol of a cult.

what can i say - i am just speechless right now. . . .

i do have to comment however if what you say is true than what about catholics and their saints who had to perform miracles as such to become saintly. . .

and by the way - you don't understand anything about freemasonry if you believe it is a religious sect. . .

 

[Zero V]

and by the way - you don't understand anything about freemasonry if you believe it is a religious sect. . .

there is what you see....and what you don't see. Free masons bring curses upon themselves, and generational curses upon their families with the "vows" they take with each acquired level.

There is the basic free masons of which you meet who are simply the gentlemens club. Some of which may even be christian, catholic, muslim, so on. Then there is the core group of which only those willing to serve a darker nature are accepted into. They are indeed on the list of cults. Half their symbols resemble that of witchs.

Any time a goat head is used it represents Satan, its used in free masonry.

Or do you consider it all fun and fancy to consider goats blood kosher? Most freemasons dont know what they are into, and most never will save for those exceptionally skilled and useful and willing to serve a darker purpose.

The outer group is lied to about what the symbols mean, its just a cool code....to the inner group, the truth and knowledge from centuries of works is given into view. The fabled "Illuminati" are a branch of masonry if you will....

SO many of these things were warned against two thousand years ago, some even hundreds of years ago, and for most, if you have common sense you know a "secret society" only harbors darkness.... only evil needs to keep secrets, for is not the good for everyone?

"Anything not of the light, is darkness. Only darkness hides, for the light is visible by any who look into, and darnkess conceals what is inside."

Why does a murderer stay in the shadows? a thief in the closet? a rapist in the sewers? You wont find anything good in the shadows or sewers. The secret places of our landscape, what makes you think if you ever even had a chance to be accepted into the deeper clik of freemasonry that it would be something good? Shadows beget shadows, no light comes from a shadow, only darkness.

We just had a big lesson on cults & the "occult". Isn't it funny that a gentleman's club has monuments all over the world...their symbols on money... and every one you know it it says its a simple, light club for people. No power, nothing going on..... knights Templar if you do research have the same symbols as the free masons....and they were a dark group indeed, does not history show their evil deeds?

To each their own.....but in a world where my very country resembles Sodom & Gomorrah, if not worse, and I know anything that is not for the good of others, is against it. The truth shines like a negative beam of light through a white room....

When you know who shows up the world will be happy to give their trust into his hands and fall into the trap predicted oh so long ago... But as the prediction goes, most wont listen....

 

[rhodesman]

there is what you see....and what you don't see. Free masons bring curses upon themselves, and generational curses upon their families with the "vows" they take with each acquired level.

There is the basic free masons of which you meet who are simply the gentlemens club. Some of which may even be christian, catholic, muslim, so on. Then there is the core group of which only those willing to serve a darker nature are accepted into. They are indeed on the list of cults. Half their symbols resemble that of witchs.

Any time a goat head is used it represents Satan, its used in free masonry.

Or do you consider it all fun and fancy to consider goats blood kosher? Most freemasons dont know what they are into, and most never will save for those exceptionally skilled and useful and willing to serve a darker purpose.

The outer group is lied to about what the symbols mean, its just a cool code....to the inner group, the truth and knowledge from centuries of works is given into view. The fabled "Illuminati" are a branch of masonry if you will....

SO many of these things were warned against two thousand years ago, some even hundreds of years ago, and for most, if you have common sense you know a "secret society" only harbors darkness.... only evil needs to keep secrets, for is not the good for everyone?

"Anything not of the light, is darkness. Only darkness hides, for the light is visible by any who look into, and darnkess conceals what is inside."

Why does a murderer stay in the shadows? a thief in the closet? a rapist in the sewers? You wont find anything good in the shadows or sewers. The secret places of our landscape, what makes you think if you ever even had a chance to be accepted into the deeper clik of freemasonry that it would be something good? Shadows beget shadows, no light comes from a shadow, only darkness.

We just had a big lesson on cults & the "occult". Isn't it funny that a gentleman's club has monuments all over the world...their symbols on money... and every one you know it it says its a simple, light club for people. No power, nothing going on..... knights Templar if you do research have the same symbols as the free masons....and they were a dark group indeed, does not history show their evil deeds?

To each their own.....but in a world where my very country resembles Sodom & Gomorrah, if not worse, and I know anything that is not for the good of others, is against it. The truth shines like a negative beam of light through a white room....

When you know who shows up the world will be happy to give their trust into his hands and fall into the trap predicted oh so long ago... But as the prediction goes, most wont listen....

:thumbsup:

 

[Ribo68]

OK brosky. Here is the christian insight.


No beings of the supernatural existence are good. Save for angelic beings.

When you die, you are instantly sent to heaven or hell. There is no limbo, you are dragged out of this world.

That leaves only angels and demons to wander the spiritual realm. Ghosts are indeed demons. mediums are non christian.

What a medium is is a person who has been blessed with a gift of the spirit but does not use it the way it was supposed to be.

Are you christian yourself? Are you saved, have you taken authority over it? God gave us authority over such things for a reason.

God does NOT create a spirit of fear in people, so if there is anyone around you that suffers that, duh its bad.

If you are christian, filled with the holy spirit, and knowledgeable in the word, then bring some fellow Christians into the picture and call in the holy spirit.

Do not do it alone.

I have had experience before. I am going into the ministry.

Sounds like a pretty good condensed version.:thumbsup: