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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    More active equates to a higher price. Your logic doesn't add up.

    Just because a 1lb tub of whey cost less than a 5lb tub, doesn't make it better than or equal too.


    Flex, where is the research that 4-dhea has a point of deminishing returns? I'm not calling you a liar on your results, but it just doesn't add up to me. 4-DHEA requires a 2 step conversion process to become androstenedione/androstenediol and then ultimately testosterone. Adrostenedione(4-AD) had to be dosed 1000mg-3000mg orally and only took 1 step to convert. Hormone carriers aside; why am I to belive 120mg is enough?

    I'm not saying you don't have a good product, but on paper it seems underdosed, and when dosed higher equates to a similar price. Only problem is you would need to take a **** ton of pills.
    Look at the androstenedione studies. They consistently found greater increases in estrogen compared to testosterone. Additionally we believe based on this evidence that the two step 1-DHEA's/4-DHEA's are more efficiently converting to diols. Not diones. Our entire basis for dosing can be found at the following:

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    Thank you. I will be back in here later, after I read them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    No, that should be apparent. I'm looking to be confinced that these are properly dosed.
    Whoa whoa whoa, it was a simple question. No need for smart remarks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT

    Whoa whoa whoa, it was a simple question. No need for smart remarks.
    That wasn't a smart remark, he spelled something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    That wasn't a smart remark, he spelled something wrong.
    Hahaha touche'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828 View Post
    Youre the ONLY person replying like this. Wonder why? Im sure it has nothing to do with u being a rep. And btw. I didnt really say they suck. They dont suck. But. Youre lying to yourself and you know it if you think they hold a candle to the androseries. Where is the FDA raiding you guys at ??? Primordial got raided because they work that good and FDA expects foul play. They would be doing the same to you if your stuff worked as well as primordials.
    You have no idea why the FDA raided PP. To simply say that it was because they worked that good is an ignorant statement at best. Please follow the following link to see what Eric of PP has said as to the reason. He even states that he himself does not know the full reason as because the affidavit is still sealed.

    http://www.primordialperformance.com...ss-future.html

    "They would be doing the same to you if your stuff worked as well as primodials" - - - Another ignorant statement at best. You could not even begin to deduce rhyme or reasoning of the FDA and how they work. What about all of the other companies, big and small, that sell products that work as well or are stronger? What about the companies that the FDA went after for Superdrol 5+ years after they stopped selling the product? It is awfully grandiose of you to think you know how this business works.

    Reading your posts I equate to watching those slapstick type comedy movies where the character has no sense of self embarrassment that the movie watcher actually begins to feel embarrassed for them.
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    Guys, I'm studying the FDA and drug products liability course in law school right now, if PPs products are not illegal, the issue is the labeling and product claims not the actual product itself, I can't say exactly why they were raided, but based on available federal case law surrounding supplements, which YES the FDA has the power to regulate, I think the FDA will rule the PPs products are misbranded and are actually drugs not supplements, and therefore to be marketed they need to submit a pre-market approval through the FDA to be an actual drug, that would cost millions

    The FDA can say a supplement is an actual drug if they want, especially with the claims a manufacturer makes and the effects it has on your body

    But what I believe happened here, is that some other force is in play, unless there are massive amounts of filed complaints to the FDA about a supplement being dangerous etc, usually the FDA won't act unless they are persuaded by someone like a pharmaceutical company, or politicians that are lobbied by those companies, it could be that someone is testing and spending millions on PPs technology with oral non-methylated hormones

    PP is a small fish to fry, the FDA is very small a actually and has very little time and resources to waste, I'm 95% sure there is a much bigger underlying reason other than the new laws coming out, because its much easier and the FDA would rather send an opinion letter to PP if it were their own internal reasons, trust me they don't care about most supplements, not the least bit
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    I ran bulk and mass and felt they were more effective than the primordial products. I recovered faster and gained more strength . I also had plenty of left over cash for staple supplements .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    News flash, we were raided years ago. Brb FDA is calling:FDA - "You brahs getting the gains from your products?"Me - "O yes we are sir"FDA - " BRB coming over"^That's exactly how the FDA works. You know everything.
    I didn't know you guys were raided. Just out of curiosity, what was the outcome of the raid? Are the DHEA isomers recognized by the FDA as dietary supplements, or do you think they're in the process of mounting an "attack" against them?
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    All those article really did was explain your hormone carrier, and to show that you propose that you get upto 70% bioavailability with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider View Post
    I didn't know you guys were raided. Just out of curiosity, what was the outcome of the raid? Are the DHEA isomers recognized by the FDA as dietary supplements, or do you think they're in the process of mounting an "attack" against them?
    Lots of money lost. It was related to the sale of sd, and dienelone ph's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    All those article really did was explain your hormone carrier, and to show that you propose that you get upto 70% bioavailability with it.
    What is your question?
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    Royd is a stand up guy. Frl products work plain and simple. And comparing stacked products to single ingredient products is dumb. It's like comparing spawn to havoc. I personally always prefer the single products because I like the freedom to stack and dose how I see fit.

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    FYI...Royd has more science knowledge then most on this forum. And if you get paid for your job to work, so why question him that? #EPICFAIL
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