ForeRunner Labs Frequently Asked Questions

[JudoJosh]

Pmid: 21870106 for the nerds...

Thanks

[Skigazzi]

So this is less 1-DHEA per cap than the competitor but should be better due to more absorption?

I didn't even make note of that till now...so there is 90mg of U-1-DHEA in a 3 cap serving of Alpha? or is it 30mg per serving (3 caps). The label posted on PHF says "serving: 3 capsules", and list 30mg...but Im assuming that is per capsule...label is confusing. (im assuming its per capsule, and even at 60% the dosage of the other product, the pricing still is far better from FRL for this per mg)

[fightbackhxc]

I didn't even make note of that till now...so there is 90mg of U-1-DHEA in a 3 cap serving of Alpha? or is it 30mg per serving (3 caps). The label posted on PHF says "serving: 3 capsules", and list 30mg...but Im assuming that is per capsule...label is confusing. (im assuming its per capsule, and even at 60% the dosage of the other product, the pricing still is far better from FRL for this per mg)

Could also be less due to better absorption i dont know...just was really curious.

[Royd The Noyd]

I didn't even make note of that till now...so there is 90mg of U-1-DHEA in a 3 cap serving of Alpha? or is it 30mg per serving (3 caps). The label posted on PHF says "serving: 3 capsules", and list 30mg...but Im assuming that is per capsule...label is confusing. (im assuming its per capsule, and even at 60% the dosage of the other product, the pricing still is far better from FRL for this per mg)

It's actually correct. 3 caps is a total of 30mgs ultra 1-DHEA. We believe our hormone shield is superior to the point that a larger dose is not necessary, nor is it financially feasible for your typical guy.

[Skigazzi]

It's actually correct. 3 caps is a total of 30mgs ultra 1-DHEA. We believe our hormone shield is superior to the point that a larger dose is not necessary, nor is it financially feasible for your typical guy.

Gotcha. Interesting.

[jbryand101b]

yea, the amount per serving is what has me like :/ uhhh.... but it is a bold step, so hopefully it works.

too bad they couldn't add the ester, and the cyclodextrin, ha ha.

[Milas]

So, anyone going to be logging this bad boy? I want to see what it can do...

[Orangatang]

So, anyone going to be logging this bad boy? I want to see what it can do...

Word.

[Royd The Noyd]

JayDee6 will be logging with some pics and vids. Gonna get more loggers as well. Just want to wait until we can actually ship it to gather them.

[AZMIDLYF]

Looking forward to seeing if we have a winner here!

[TheBGRigatoni]

Looking forward to seeing if we have a winner here!

Thanks for the follow

[TheDarkHalf]

yea, the amount per serving is what has me like :/ uhhh.... but it is a bold step, so hopefully it works.

This is why i'm hesistant to pull the trigger. I'm living on a budget these days, so I'd prefer to buy something that actually works.

[Skigazzi]

What type of conversion rate to 1-T are you guys projecting with this?

1-T supps back in the day were dosed at what? 100-300mg? 1-AD (original) was dosed in the 200-400 and was a one step conversion to 1-T? This is a 2 step starting at 30mg...you guys must be loving this hormone sheild complex.

[schizm]

It's actually correct. 3 caps is a total of 30mgs ultra 1-DHEA. We believe our hormone shield is superior to the point that a larger dose is not necessary, nor is it financially feasible for your typical guy.

...don't have the bottle pic pulled up...is that 120 caps per bottle...so a bottle lasts 20 days?

[Milas]

...don't have the bottle pic pulled up...is that 120 caps per bottle...so a bottle lasts 20 days?

It's a 28 day supply, or 168 caps IIRC.

[Royd The Noyd]

What type of conversion rate to 1-T are you guys projecting with this?

1-T supps back in the day were dosed at what? 100-300mg? 1-AD (original) was dosed in the 200-400 and was a one step conversion to 1-T? This is a 2 step starting at 30mg...you guys must be loving this hormone sheild complex.

We actually believe it's quite a bit higher than we ever initially though it would be. The sublingual studies hinted at that, but then the AMS 1-Androsterone urinary excretion study (third party) supported it even further. That showed us it appeared to convert to the diol, and testosterone quite efficiently. The problem with the old stuff and the new stuff is the delivery. The bioavailability of a typical capsule of un-esterfied 19-norDIOL is less than 1%. That is why you had guys dosing it as high as a gram. But sublingual 19-norDiol had an estimated bioavailability closer to 68%. Which is why such a little dose had such a nice biological effect. I'm using 19-norDIOL in this example just because there is good research behind it. Sublinguals have some limitations though.

We are working on an article that compares oral vs. sublingual vs. this delivery method and outlining our estimates for bioavailability for each. We are still discussing where it falls and how we want to advertise that exactly but it's coming. As you can probably guess though this system is superior to both. Although without the Hormone Shield I dont think it would be as good as the sublinguals.

Just as an example, that study I referenced above that was brand new on berberine showed it increased the bioavailability of the drug tested 38-40%. That's very significant.

As a straight up estimate (there is no pharmacokinetic research on this stuff so it is just an estimate) it is somewhere like this:

1 sublingual tab = 200-300mg's of an oral capsule
1 dose of Alpha Mass = 300-500mg's of an oral capsule

Note: I may change my thoughts on this depending upon on the logs go bros. I think it might have an even greater potential.

[Royd The Noyd]

My boss tells me I'm too long winded.

[fightbackhxc]

We actually believe it's quite a bit higher than we ever initially though it would be. The sublingual studies hinted at that, but then the AMS 1-Androsterone urinary excretion study (third party) supported it even further. That showed us it appeared to convert to the diol, and testosterone quite efficiently. The problem with the old stuff and the new stuff is the delivery. The bioavailability of a typical capsule of un-esterfied 19-norDIOL is less than 1%. That is why you had guys dosing it as high as a gram. But sublingual 19-norDiol had an estimated bioavailability closer to 68%. Which is why such a little dose had such a nice biological effect. I'm using 19-norDIOL in this example just because there is good research behind it. Sublinguals have some limitations though.

We are working on an article that compares oral vs. sublingual vs. this delivery method and outlining our estimates for bioavailability for each. We are still discussing where it falls and how we want to advertise that exactly but it's coming. As you can probably guess though this system is superior to both. Although without the Hormone Shield I dont think it would be as good as the sublinguals.

Just as an example, that study I referenced above that was brand new on berberine showed it increased the bioavailability of the drug tested 38-40%. That's very significant.

As a straight up estimate (there is no pharmacokinetic research on this stuff so it is just an estimate) it is somewhere like this:

1 sublingual tab = 200-300mg's of an oral capsule
1 dose of Alpha Mass = 300-500mg's of an oral capsule

Note: I may change my thoughts on this depending upon on the logs go bros. I think it might have an even greater potential.

thanks bud good post

[Milas]

My boss tells me I'm too long winded.

Yeah, just say it's awesome and it works because I say so. That's what we want to hear/believe.

[MK9]

With all the various dosages and delivery systems for higher bio-availability, it left me wondering if there is a saturation point where more will not be necessary.