Anabolic Diet

[jdhz12181]

Hey guys, this was dicussed briefly in another thread, but I thought I would start its own. I am reading the Anabolic Diet my Dr. Mauru Pasquale, and it's a very interesting read to say the least. Couple of questions if any of you have used it before though.

1) what did u do about post-workout carbs and such, and what kind of trainig routine/cardio did u do well on the diet

2) What kinda results did u see and would you reccomend the diet as well

Thanks a lot guys, wanna start monday, so info would be greatly appreciated.

[John Benz]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=170643

[LunaHotel]

John Benz - That Post-workout thread starts with a shake that has 50g carbs in it... Are you sure it's about the Anabolic Diet - Ketogenic????

[John Benz]

Originally posted by LunaHotel
John Benz - That Post-workout thread starts with a shake that has 50g carbs in it... Are you sure it's about the Anabolic Diet - Ketogenic????

It's all about anabolic diets. Has nothing to do with keto, which is good only for cutting, not anabolism.

Read the whole thread. I think it gets interesting about page 3.

[LunaHotel]

jdhz to answer your question, I have done the diet twice, once for 10 months and once for 6 months. My reasons for leaving it behind were of the social kind - guys at work convincing me I *HAD* to go out for a beer with them on thursday night - which led me down the evil path of carb, and god forbid - ALCOHOL consumption. End of diet right there.

Otherwise, I did it like in the book - no postworkout carbs. I mean, how far you gonna go on a 30g per day MAXIMUM budget? Sometimes I would make a whey in cream shake and add approx 5-10 g of fructose when my carb intake was especially low that day. But that's not really postworkout carbs.

My workouts have always been 4-5 times a week - except one period when I went really gung-ho and did 5-6 days a week, TWICE A DAY. No cardio per se, my workouts are always plenty intense.

Being completely natural, I would say I made my biggest gains on this diet. It's hard to say exactly because I never monitored my bf% in very accurate terms besides "my abs are more defined", etc. I would say I gained maybe 12lbs lean body mass in the 10-month period and 8lbs lbm the 6 months, which had 3-4 months of 10 to 12 times a week workouts.

I would compare the results with taking large amounts of GHB - on the order of 10g a day. Remember the lbm gains you make naturally aren't like those you make juicing - Gain 12, lose 6. This is gain 12, lose 0. I highly recommend it.

Anyone else please back me up ;-)

[John Benz]

Sorry, I didn't realize a book entitled "Anabolic Diet" would pertain to keto. Keto diets are not really anabolic.

[jdhz12181]

I'm looking at it mostly to cut down bodyfat first, but then build back up with it, here Benz, here's a link to the book.

http://lilguy7000.tripod.com/lilguy7...bsite/id9.html

Its on that page, it's an interesting read.

So Luna, do you think just to follow to book exatcly as it goes, keep my training and cardio the same, and taht would be great ot cut?

[LunaHotel]

Ooooooh yes.

[LunaHotel]

John, Insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the body. The way the Anabolic Diet is made, the weekend carb feed generates both a GH and Insulin response. This is one thing that many haven't picked up on, but THAT is very anabolic. Isn't it?

[iron addict]

Luna,

insulin is FAR from th e most anabolic hormone in the body. Anabolism occurs just fine without it it as a matter of fact, as this diet actually proves rather than disproves. The growth that occurs doing a keto diet happens all days, not just during the carb-up, and if you can provide ONE study showing insulin is needed for anabolism to occur.....well lets just say you will be the first, because Animal, myself and others have all made that challenge and so far it has been unanswered. Slin can help, but is far from a potent anabolic agent in the true sense of the word.

Iron Addict

[LunaHotel]

What is the most anabolic hormone in the body then?

[iron addict]

Well, good old fashioned plain testosterone sure does rate high. Try building mass without any. Guys without it build muscle like....well like girls do. IGF-1 is pretty damn good also. I wont make any statements that either is the "the most" anabolic. I will adamantly state that slin is NOT it, as anabolism occcurs just fine without it and it is not needed to transport amino-acids to the muscle cells.

Iron Addict

[LunaHotel]

Hm... YOUR definition of anabolism isn't the scientific one, then. You're talking about "anabolism for bodybuilders". And try to build muscle without insulin.

Anabolism is defined as, in non-scientific terms, regeneration of tissue. Not muscle tissue, but tissue.

[iron addict]

Well OK, you regenerate your "tissue", and I'll regenerate my "muscle tissue", in the end I think I will be happier, because coincidently, I am interested in the muscle tissue, as are most guys here.

Iron Addict

[LunaHotel]

You know, one thing about language is that the words are constants. If I use "anabolism" for "immune system regeneration", they are linked but they are not THE SAME. So please don't change the accepted meaning of terms to suit your purposes, and then try to say "I'm right" because you use words otherwise than their scientifically accepted meaning.

I'm not flaming you here, but let's use words the way they are meant to be used and we'll understand each other. Othewise what's the point?

[LunaHotel]

John, that thread on bodybuilding.com is completely hilarious. Those guys confuse "post-workout carbohydrate ingestion" with "Insulin release" and there IS a link between the two, but they are not EQUIVALENT. It's so funny. LMAO :-)

[John Benz]

I know many on here are followers of some sort of keto diet, even Bobo. But no keto diet has ever worked well for me. I lose weight on keto, but have trouble gaining any lean mass at all. I made my best LEAN gains on a diet of approx. 400 gms protein, and unlimited gms carbs. The carb sources were limited to raw vegetables and grains, including oatmeal. NO fruit, except an apple or two every 3 days to make sure the liver had enough glycogen. Fats were also limited; mostly omega oils, wheat germ oil and meat fat, no butterfat.

I wasn't aware of post-workout nutrition or 6 meals a day, and pro-hormones weren't on the scene yet. I was using a LOT of dessicated liver and up to 2 dozen whole eggs per day. Strength and mass increased at a rapid rate, and bf dropped as quick. Arms went from 15 1/2" to 17" in less than a year, and that was simultaneous with several percentage points of bf drop. That was doing full-body routines 3 X per week, and following Vince Gironda's routines. Except for squats, which he was not fond of, preferring the half squat. Vince claimed full squats broaden the hips, and most, myself included, scoffed at this notion. Funny, years later I see Jay Cutler and Gunter Schlierkamp have stopped squating and use leg press instead. Their reason. It was making their hips too wide.

[iron addict]

Luna,

Don't take this as a flame either, but I know your not from this country, but over here if you ask 10 bodybuilders what "anabolism" means, you will get a reponse that is something along the lines of adding additional muscle. THAT is what we are here studying, not how to boost our immume systems (although I will be the first to tell you that is important also). Now go back, and read your post, and tell me ANYONE reading it wouldn't be lead to beleive you were talking about adding muscle, not boosting immune response.

Iron Addict

[iron addict]

And please lets see if DiPasquale will rename the book The "boosting your immune response" diet.

Iron Addict

[LunaHotel]

You have a point, iron addict. I also have a point in writing something that is perfectly true and totally understandable, that becomes skewed because we WANT something : muscle gains.

Now, insulin IS the most anabolic hormone in the body. It may or may not be the most muscle-anabolic hormone in the body, and that becomes very debatable between Test, IGF-1 an slin. But you can't get muscle-anabolism or ANY kind of anabolism without insulin, period. You just D-I-E.

Proper insulin stimulation, along with all the rest, is a GREAT bonus for the NATURAL bodybuilder. Also for the juicing people but they can do without it.

Edit : "it" at the end of last sentence being, in true semantically accepted format, "PROPER insulin STIMULATION".