Chest press machine
- 02-14-2008, 03:11 PM
- 02-14-2008, 04:09 PM
Im not sure what machine your talking about? As there are a bunch of different chest machines at different gyms. Hammer strength machines? or a machine you put weights on? But for the majority that i have tried the stimulated the chest farely well
- 02-14-2008, 04:13 PM
The fixed one that moves directly forward at a pre-set width that you adjust the pin on. No plates.
I probably get a lot of shoulder strain because I tend to bench press with a fairly wide grip.
02-14-2008, 05:02 PM
Ive tried that machine before, but I do not recall any shoulder discomfort. Maybe try to pre exhaust your chest to get a nice chest pump which in turn will allow for you to utilize mroe of your chest.
02-15-2008, 09:19 PM
Im the same way.. I never use that machine, and if I did, it would be for ant delt work...
The only chest machine I like is the Hammer Incline that you load weights onto.. it has 2 swinging arms and they start wide and move closer together as the rep goes on.. thats the only chest machine that ive ever got use out of dammit!
02-16-2008, 01:16 PM
Machines suck.I will use the dec. hammer strength cause i have a hard time feeling my chest work with dips.At my gym its dips,hs,or the smith machine with the one sit up bench my gym has.People who need to do cardio are always using that bench instead,it kills me.I don't like the smith machine either.When i did use that dec hs,i was scared i'd get lazy and start using the machines,I did a superset with all three,and the dec was the only one i liked.You have to adjust the seat just right with those machines cause of the fixed range of motion(why i hate machines)
02-17-2008, 12:40 AM
You are most likely positioning your self so that your elbows are out by your head during the press, putting most the weight on your front delts. Move your elbows inwards so that they are lined up with or slightly below the bottom of your pec. And focus on contracting your chest with each push and squeeze your pecs together at the top of the motion.
02-17-2008, 01:59 AM
The best chest machines IMHO are the Cybex Plate-loaded Advanced Chest & Advanced Incline machines.
The arms both pivot and swivel in such a way that you determine the path...and you can press or do flyes and the tension stays on the Pecs all the weigh through because the way sits on the outside of the arms.
02-17-2008, 10:28 AM
I wish my gym had the one on the left, it would be awesome on days when I don't have a spot... maybe I'll go buy one for home use...
Found a remanufactured advanced chest for $1095.00, seems a bit high. I workout at a 24hr fitness and I think most of their equipment is Cybex. I wonder if they would buy one...
02-17-2008, 11:41 AM
Spotters are useless once you get used to lifting on your own,unless you're doing forced reps,but i read before you should never do those on aregular basis,just like drop sets.I had to lay the bar on my chest and roll it down twice.you learn when your last rep has been completed.Even if you use a spotter you should know when he jumps in.Theirs a guy at my gym that will do singles without a spot(heavy ass singles too)You should know what you can and can't do.One day you will go to do what you can and realise after x-reps that you can do more
02-17-2008, 12:10 PM
You're absolutely right. However I feel there is a "safety net" with this particular machine since I won't have a bar drop on my head or chest in case I run out of fuel. But I agree with you, the same concept applies regardless of equipment.
02-17-2008, 01:55 PM
I'm glad you do.I was wondering afterwards if you would completely disagree or get offended(never my goal)Thats why i love this site and the people on it.I have seen other sites where a statement like mine would of caused a 10page fight with everyone jumping in and choosing sides.
02-17-2008, 02:02 PM
02-17-2008, 06:58 PM
haha, no worries pantera101
LOL, I've seen those types of threads. They're entertaining for like 3 seconds, then they get very pointless, boring, and sometimes idiotic. Almost like ping-pong b!tch slaps LOL.
Damn, the compulsive buyer in me still wants one of those Cybex Plate-loaded Advanced Chest... I'll just see if my gym will buy one - I want to try it out It is almost like the kid from christmas story wanting a bb rifle... haha
02-17-2008, 08:26 PM
These machines have adjustable risers that the arms rest on. They can be set real low for a deep stretch or high for a half rep. But there is no need to set them for safety because there is no bar across your chest.
Since those arms swivel you can use angles you couldn't attain safely on a regular bench. For instance you can slide down so that when you press or fly...the movement ends w/ the hands above the face...or even behind the head...this really hits the Pec-Delt tie-in.
The movement feels nice because you aren't really locked into a fixed arc.
Anyway I haven't looked too much but I've found a place that sells the Advanced Chest for $999 used/refurb.
02-17-2008, 10:12 PM
having a spotter isn't just wise but it's almost being considerate to others around you. There is nothing worse then seeing some dude struggle doing 2 reps then put another 50lbs on the bar and try a rep. You can just see everyone waiting to jump in and spot him when the bar breaks his neck.
02-17-2008, 11:49 PM
02-18-2008, 12:24 AM
You're like DUDE!
Sh1t like this makes me a very unapproachable pissed off looking guy in my gym...which is good cus it keeps the pin heads away.
02-18-2008, 12:44 AM
02-18-2008, 08:16 AM
02-18-2008, 02:15 PM
I use that type of grip too, I don't wrap my thumbs around the bar. I find the thumb helps relieve pressure to my wrists when I grip it like that.
02-18-2008, 07:21 PM
I seen Frank Mcgrath use that grip with close grips on a video.Thats the only time my wrist bother me at all,if they do.Next time they start acting up i might have to try it.I love this damn site,you think somethings stupid(thumbless grip)then through talking to people from all around the world,you start seeing the reason behind it,and start thinking you might try it sometime.If it falls on me like that one guy,i'll prob have a diferent point of view,it looked like it hurt.Is one of the guys in your avatar you,steelentity?
02-18-2008, 07:30 PM
LOL NO!!! hahahaha. Dude if that was me I would def not make it my avatar, I would go shoot my self.
Dexter Jackson uses that grip too.
02-18-2008, 07:54 PM
I thought maybe the big guy was a before picture,and now you are normal skinny,or big and ripped.Didn't know how to politely say if you are or were the fat one......
02-18-2008, 08:45 PM
Yeah I'm 6'4 240@16% BF I am cutting down to under 8% for the summer. Once I get to 10-11% my body is so stubborn to get that extra few pounds off, it really sucks because I am not a naturally lean/ripped guy. Some guys are at under 10% for most of their lives with little effort put in.
02-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Do you have any tips/lessons learned from cutting in the past.I'm naturally lean but eat as much as i can every 2-3 hours(usually 2),but am still pretty lean for a bulker,I don't usually do cardio.I tried my first cut a while ago and started doing 30 min cardio three times a week after weights,and reduced carbs all at once.I think i shocked my body too much.I lost 13 lbs in 13 days(a lot of muscle)I think i did everyting too quickly and will try to add changes much slower when i get much bigger.
02-18-2008, 09:44 PM
Depending on your weight you should aim to lose no more then 3lbs per week. Dieting to fast will result in muscle loss and your metabolism coming to a halt real fast. Plus, if your first day of dieting you just cut out like 1/3 of your maintenance cals then by the time you get to the end of your diet, losing those last few pounds you will be extremely hard since you will have to eat so little. It is best to slowly taper down on your calories. Obviously as you lose weight your maintenance calories lower, so you will eat less and less food as time goes on. I do 3 hours of cardio a week split into 6 30 min sessions of fairly intense running.
02-19-2008, 08:31 AM
Ok, so if I am getting strain in my shoulders it is because my elbows are too high ? So if I keep them closer to my body and pointed down it will isolate the pecs better ?
I tried this last night and it is a little better, but still nowhere near DB flat.
02-19-2008, 10:42 AM
02-19-2008, 10:44 AM
Just playing Reaperx,I don't remember if i read most sit too high or too low,and end up using more shoulders,i know you have to sit just right though,experiment with it and see what you like best.If i find the article i will post it,but i have like 15bb mags so idk if i'll find it.
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