See what you big boys think of this
08-19-2003 07:21 PM
I think IA and DC have stated it enough with proven results that studies can say one thing and reality say another...
I'd listen to what IA or DC has to say and let that be like God's Word, because after the quick progress I've already made taking suggestions from the info they've given to us, I'll jump off a bridge if they say so They know what they're talking about and not a damn thing would convince me otherwise
08-29-2003 10:02 AM
A lot of interesting and very well intentioned advice here. And admittedly some of what I'm going to say is a repeat.
But come on, no such a thing as "essential" carbs? Fiber not "necessary"? For which, achieving minimal bodyfat % or overall health? Is colon health the sacrificial lamb for achieving a few % points less of body fat on a year round basis?
Not just here, but overall generally, when guys start talking very matter of factly about something in absolute terms, or start posting satistics or blood assays, or quotes from "studies" in support of a position they're taking, it turns me right off. It becomes impossible to either corroborate or refute for many reasons, not the least of which is potential profit or even pollitical agenda of those who paid for the study or are espousing a particular view.
The technical info is well and fine for the bio-chemist who understands a cascading chemical reaction at the micro cellular level, like blood clotting. Some of you may well be bio-chemists, or be well on your way to becoming one. God bless you, your work is important and I salute and encourage you. While I agree that knowledge is power, as a layman I find it a waste of time to try and weed out a wannabe who's merely throwing around quotes and study data.
And with respect to what we're doing here, namely strength training and physique enhancement, we're all different in many ways and what works for some doesn't necessarily work for any one of us. So I take an albeit more blunt yet more practical approach.
My 3 distant observations Magg, for what they're worth:
1. 6 hours of sleep isn't nearly enough for someone doing all that you are, even if you're in your 20's. You already know that your body produces most of its hormones at night and that's when you grow. You appear to be focusing a lot of time and effort on training and diet, yet you're neglecting this critical component of your overall health and training regimen?
2. Micronutrients and fiber we assimilate from fresh fruit and vegetables probably aren't available to us in any other food or supplements we eat. Working in 3-5 servings a day are healthy to us in the long run, and any concern about calories or carbs from those sources is unwarranted in the grand scheme of our overalll diets, unless you're a diabetic or have some other problem.
3. From what you've provided here Magg, it sounds to me like you would benefit from periodizing/cycling your anerobic/aerobic conditioning (either with or without PH/AS). And you might just be trying to do too much overall, although kudos to you on your bench press strength at your body weight.
If all else fails, take a week or 2 off from training
Best of luck,
Last edited by PC1; 08-29-2003 at 10:42 AM.
09-03-2003 02:50 PM
I think in addition to all the great diet advice/discussion, the first step to putting on weight is to stop running and stop taking the ECA. Some guys like YJ advocate cardio while massing but most (including myself) don't. Even of those that do they don't recommend as much as you are doing. Its easier to just divide and conquer. Mass, gain the fat that comes with it, then bust your ass to get the fat off. Its more effective to do one at a time in my opinion.
Also, there are other forms of training than HIT. I wouldn't do any type of training for 4 months straight. Your body will definately have adapted by then. Other types to consider are maxOT, HST, and GVT. All great forms of training and great at helping w/plateaus.
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