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- 11-10-2007, 09:07 PM
Full body workout VS. 3 Day Split
i have been doing a 3 day split chest/tri, back/bi, shoulder/legs and recently under advice of someone i changed over to a full body workout and dont feel as good as i did on the 3 day split.
i have been only doing it for about 2 weeks and maybe im not giving it enought time. what is your guys thoughts on full body training? do u like it or recemend i go back to the 3 day split.
here is what im doing for full body
Standing Calf Raise
Alternating Dumbbell Military Press
Parallel Bar Dip
Alternating Dumbbell Curl
Triceps Extension Bench Press
Seated Calf Raise
One-arm Dumbbell Row
Lying Triceps Extension
Standing Calf Raise
Should i do each of these routines heavy? im trying to gain size? i am doing roughly 3 sets about 8-10 reps each exercise.
im also coming off the superpump, hypershock high too, i wonder if that has alot to do with it? this is the first month all im taking is Eass's and some creatine ethyl ester. Anyway letme hear what u guys think about full body routines vs split body
- 11-10-2007, 09:17 PM
Do only ONE "working set", the other two should be warmups and not challenging. You're not working out to kill your muscle, you just want enough to tell your body "you are small".
Instead of doing 8-10 reps, try changing your reps every other week. Example: 2 weeks @ 12 reps, 2 weeks @ 8-10, 2 weeks @ 6 reps.
If you want to keep at a constant 8-10 reps, try changing up the tempo in which you are performing your reps.
Reason I suggest changing up the reps or tempo is because your body will learn to "pace" itself and become more efficient. If size is your goal, efficiency is NOT DESIRED.
11-11-2007, 08:32 AM
thanks for the inf, but what do u guys think of actual full body training, is it effective to build size?i feel abit sceptical about this routine, and if im only really doing one hard working set thats even less exercising that i have been doing, maybe i was over training before?
11-11-2007, 11:32 AM
There's actually a lot of pro's who train full body 3x per week.
What do you do on your off days? The reason I ask is because I like to run on my off days, and I've found that with full body 3x per week, my legs never get a chance to recover. I think this should be the deciding factor on whether or not you go full body or a 3-day split.
11-11-2007, 11:36 AM
yeah my legs are getting kicked big time, i have just been sucking up the pain, exspecially my calves they kill me. hey , thesinner if im doing 3 sets of say bench press for example and i can bench like 225 10x's, and u say to do a warm up sets for the first 2, should i do something like
set 1 145 x 12
set 2 145 x 10
than max out? or do 225 like 8 - 10x's?
Were u saying that only one of the sets i should go big
11-11-2007, 01:30 PM
For your warm up and working sets go like this:
1st set: 10 reps with a weight you could easily do for 20
2nd set: 8-10 reps with a weight you could do for 15
work set: 8-10 reps to a "sticking point"
*Sticking point: this is a part in your motion where you despite how hard you push, the weight will not budge. For example, on the bench press this usually occurs when you're arms are bent at about 90 degrees.
11-11-2007, 01:53 PM
i like the full body 3x week routine... in about 2 months my back and shoulders have blown up
but i haven't seen alot of growth in my legs or arms... i'v decided this is due to overtraining so i'v recently dropped the amount of sets i do for both, we'll see if this helps
11-11-2007, 04:39 PM
movin _weight how many sets are you doing and what does your full body routine consist of?
the sinner thanks again for al your help, ill keep at this for a month to see what it does, i really needto get my diet in shape as well.
11-11-2007, 05:22 PM
How about split it up into two workouts, and then train everything 2x a week. That's what I was doing for my last routine, and it worked real well. 10 sets for each body part, two of which were warmups.
Mon = Back/Bis/Legs/Traps
Tue = Chest/Shoulders/Tris/Calves
Thur = Same as Mon but different exercises
Fri = Same as Tue but different exercises
11-11-2007, 06:27 PM
My routine is not that strict... i just make sure that I rotate which bodypart I start with, and make sure i hit a core lift for each muscle group
So one day i'll start with Military press, 2 days later i'll start with squats, 2 days later i'll start with bent rows ect...
I make sure i hit at least 1 core lift per bodypart x2 working sets of 8-10 reps... Then i'll usually superset 1-2 secondary lifts for each bodypart for 3x10
keep in mind I do this all in an hour or less so i'm usually haulin azz around the gym...
I may start hitting legs only twice a week since i don't think they are getting enough rest, especially when i add in cardio on some off days
main lifts consist of:
Bent over rows
11-12-2007, 08:22 PM
11-13-2007, 10:35 AM
yeah i agree it takes a while to get used, some times i even sneak in the gym on an off day to hit some isolation lifts just because 2 days is so long to wait! lol
11-13-2007, 01:22 PM
I'm good at staying away on my off days, but I think I might be doing too many sets right now on my on days.
Here's an example of wht I would do for chest:
I usually do 1 warmup set. then 2 working sets of a core lift like Incline Bench - then I do 1 set of db flies (lower than 50% of 1repmax though, for reps) - then I do 1 set of cable flies - then 1 set of (not sure what it's called, hold DB's tight together over chest, and press for reps) to work inner chest. I'm trying to do all this so I can get more chest definition (and more size in my inner/upper chest) since I don't think simply doing bench will properly work the pecs. Might be my downfall atm though, but I'm trying to keep the weight low on the isolations so maybe it will be ok.
11-14-2007, 11:37 AM
Just for reference, I've trained full body 3x a week since high school (so around 8 years now) and have found that when taking a break from it, it takes a few weeks to get the endurance back up to a point where I can make it through all lifts, and all sets.
My routine is typically as follows:
(Note, when I list two, they are lifts that alternate from one to the other each week)
Flat Bench/Incline D-bells
Pull ups (weighted)
Preacher curls/hammer curls
Tris (with the rope pulldown)
Abs and lower back
All lifts are done in a 'drop set' manner - so I start off with the max weight that I can lift 7-8 reps. Then I drop weight each consecutive set and go to failure each set (usually 3-5 sets).
I'm sure many of you will think this is over excessive, and granted my workouts do take a few hours-- but in all honesty my body and mind are accustomed to the routine and in the past I have tried to split days...only to revert back to this method.
11-14-2007, 04:59 PM
I am assuming that with this method (only 1 working set), that you must work to failure on that set.
A normal HST routine is 3 sets of equal volume.
I find I'm training different groups differently now though (diff # of sets):
I usually start with legs (lower weight on each):
3 set of squats
2 sets leg extentions
2 sets of hamstring curls
on some days I do leg press
2 sets of clean and press
2 sets of hammer strength machine press
2 sets flat or incline bench
1 set db flies
1 set cable flies
sometimes I do a set of seated machine flies
dropset usually till failure or close - pushdowns
2 sets - seated cable pulls
2 sets - lat pulldown or close grip pulldown
2 sets - olympic BB curls
1 set - hammer curls
cable trunk rotations
Don't know if this is overtraining, going to see how it works out but I'm open to any tweaks / comments on it.
11-14-2007, 06:39 PM
I may start this full body workout Saturday.... I'm going to do Legs and Abs on Mondays.... I'm going to try it for 8 weeks, then switch it up.
Inc DB flys 3 sets for 8 reps
Dumbbell Shoulder Press 3 sets 8 reps
Machine Row 3 sets 8 reps
ez-bar Curls 3 sets 8 reps
Triceps cable Push Downs 3 sets 8 reps
Bench Press 3 sets 8 reps
Side DB Raises 3 sets 8 reps
Wide Grip Pulldowns 3 sets 8 reps
Incline DB curls 3 sets 8 reps
Rope pressdowns 3 sets 8 reps
seated machine Flys 3 sets 8 reps
Bent over DB raises 3 sets 8 reps
Bent over BB rows 3 sets 8 reps
hammer curls 3 sets 8 reps
close grip bench 3 sets 8 reps
11-14-2007, 08:55 PM
My problem with full body routines is that by the time you get to your last couple body parts you are already burnt out,and not able to lift to near the intensity as you did for your first few body parts. If you change it around every other workout I guess that would help.
11-14-2007, 10:46 PM
11-15-2007, 07:43 AM
yeah rotating what you begin with each day solves that prob, but i'v had days where i'd squat, then bench, then hit rows... and since your keeping the volume down, my lifts didn't really suffer
11-15-2007, 05:09 PM
i did this full body 2 weeks and i know thats not enough to get anythning going , but i feel like switching form the 3 day i lost alot of pump feel, and soreness, im not sure i like this! I feeel as if though i am on vacation from working out, but at the gym im busting my arse!!!! is this normal, i might have to go back to 3 day im so confused.....
11-15-2007, 07:20 PM
...my old partner has 'found the light' in smoking pot and no longer lifts, so my workouts have been ****ty as of late with no partner
11-15-2007, 07:35 PM
11-15-2007, 08:17 PM
ive come to the conclusion i have no clue how to train , and honestly keep changing my routine, i am overweight and starting to notice myself get skinnier but also see all my hard training disappear or so it seams, i understand im leaning out but i like my bigger look, i wanted to be skinny but built, seems like i have to lift heavier and do more cardio. i cant stand this belly of mine, if i could cut it off i would be cool, rest of me is great....I have a hard time with eating less calories to lose weight and than when i train i feel like i need to eat alot to get big, its a horrible cycle in my head. I hate cardio and really need to get that going... or ill never lose this spare tire. As far as traiing here are my goals ... im 5'11, 207lbs about 30%body fat according to online calculators, i hate to say 30 cause i feel like its less, really all i have is a belly. rest of me s pretty tone. i want to get to about 190 and up my size/mass, naturally, i have lots of friends at gym and they tell me that i will never get to where i want to be with out the assistance of roids, but i know it can be done naturally. Is there a way to train that i can get big and how do i eat to get skinner but bigger.All seems very tricky to me
11-15-2007, 08:39 PM
To be honest, what I did was basically train twice a day, 5 days a week (cardio in am, workout in pm - workout was a 5-day split, strength training mostly but with lots of compound excercises). This is what I did when I first started out. I got bigger and noticeably leaner. Have you tried this before?
I'm liking the 3-day fullbody workout now because I feel like it's more of an intense workout and ramps up my metabolism, but it's harder to fine-tune since overtraining is easy like this, which can halt your gains. I think if you can tweak it right for you so you're not overtraining, and then doing ab work/core excercises on your offdays with a bit of morning cardio, then it can work well for you. This is the direction I'm going in now since I am in the same boat as you. A lot of it is cleaning up the diet though as well.
11-15-2007, 08:49 PM
11-15-2007, 08:52 PM
i agree, i love the intesity of the full body training and the full body pump, the secret is fine tuning so your incorporating all the major muscle groups equally
11-15-2007, 08:58 PM
I think I will only do hard full body workouts again if i'm on gear.
11-15-2007, 09:12 PM
yeah i'm a young gun and the doms are still frickin unreal sometimes... these last 2 weeks have been the first that i'v done this routine completely natural, no natty testboosters, PH, or anything... just protein and a little creatine and i'll admit i'm in pain some days
11-15-2007, 09:26 PM
is novadex xt a good supp to take thats somewhat natural? Ok i guess ill try this full body again and try to find tune it, currently im on creatine ethyl mixed with EAA's and whey protein thats it
11-16-2007, 03:57 AM
Novedex XT is used for pct, using it alone would not do much good.
Whoever it was who said they were 30% BF and only have a chubby mid section... theres no way its that high. 30% is not just a little chunky, but noticeably fat.
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