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    Hey, a while back I posted a thread entiteled "busted bicep" which detailed my problems with what I thought was bicep tendonitis of the elbow. I received good feedbak of the R.IC.E. variety (as well as the use of devils claw root) which I have implemented to some degree. The problem is now my brachioradialis has started to swell around the elbow and I starting to suspect this is where the problem lies not in the bicep tendon itself. Any ideas, could I have torn my brachioradialis? I am still working out, but no curls, and no movements that hurt at all. Comments, testimoniala, and or adivce (have already begun the process of setting up ART appt.)is more than welcom.

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    Originally posted by VanillaGorilla
    Have you seen a Doctor?
    I've talked to 4 docs (3 of whom specify with sports med) who are friends. 2 of them even gave me free iceing and ultrasound, which didnt do much. They cant tell me what it is, but since the treatments the area around my elbow has become more swollen and red (I belive its the insertion point of my brachioradialis based on my study of anatomy pictures). Tommorrow I'm going to a walk in clinic and hopefully theyll do an MRI or something similar to find out what the heck is going on with my arm. So far, no one knows for sure, and I havent talked to many who have had similar experiences.
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    There was a friend of mine that had a problem that was similar. His was a tendon that was near his elbow. He was on juice and just ignored it to the point that he couldn't train at all. The last I heard he had to have surgery but he was going to a specialist to get a second opinion. I lost contact with him so I don't know what happened. Sounds like a MRI would be your best bet since you saw a few people who know their stuff.
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    ss77,

    i've got a similar thing right now...but dont have swelling or any redness. but my brachoradialis feels like its pumped...like after you do a set...and its gettin better.

    let us know how the mri comes out...hope it isnt serious..i mean such that it requires surgery...
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    definately let us know about the mri...i don't know if i'm correct or not but check out this thread...

    http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...&threadid=7482
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    if it's actually torn I don't know that you'd be able to work out with it at all... of course, you said you didn't do curls anymore etc so I guess it's possible that you tore it... I'm thinking probably did overwork it and got it all inflamed... just one of those deals that takes weeks to fix
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    Originally posted by VanillaGorilla
    There was a friend of mine that had a problem that was similar. His was a tendon that was near his elbow. He was on juice and just ignored it to the point that he couldn't train at all. The last I heard he had to have surgery but he was going to a specialist to get a second opinion. I lost contact with him so I don't know what happened. Sounds like a MRI would be your best bet since you saw a few people who know their stuff.
    Yep the sounds like me (minus the juice but using super1+), Its gotta be somewhat serious as it has only gotten worse since Jan.
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    Originally posted by msclbldrguy
    ss77,

    i've got a similar thing right now...but dont have swelling or any redness. but my brachoradialis feels like its pumped...like after you do a set...and its gettin better.

    let us know how the mri comes out...hope it isnt serious..i mean such that it requires surgery...
    Interesting, mine feels pumped too (with redness) but the pain in the area has been there for several moths longer than the swelling-just pushed it to hard and did more damage probably.
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    Originally posted by motleybreu
    definately let us know about the mri...i don't know if i'm correct or not but check out this thread...

    http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...;threadid=7482
    Thanks for the link. Since I 've tried everything else,I might as well try this (I'm desperate at this point).
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    Originally posted by Biggs
    if it's actually torn I don't know that you'd be able to work out with it at all... of course, you said you didn't do curls anymore etc so I guess it's possible that you tore it... I'm thinking probably did overwork it and got it all inflamed... just one of those deals that takes weeks to fix
    Yeah, I ve heard of a guy who claimed that he tore a tendon in this area and his bicep was acting more like a uni-cep. I'm not sure about that (or even if its anatomically correct assesment) but something is definitely not right with my arm. If the doc does an MRI and says rest it, it will just confirm what you have said (and what I fear is enevitable at this point) I just want to find out what is wrong as this has been going on for months and hopeing/praying that surgery is not required.
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    I went to a walk in and talked to some general practinior who knew less than you guys do about my problem. She made me get xrays even though I have a soft tissue injury, but said it was the only way she could refer me to an orthopedic specialist (which she did). My appointment is next Wednesday, and I will follow up with the diagnosis.
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    Heh, what do you know, I was about to write back into your original thread to inquire how you are doing, supersize77. Sorry to hear that. Hope you get well soon.
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    Originally posted by LunaHotel
    Heh, what do you know, I was about to write back into your original thread to inquire how you are doing, supersize77. Sorry to hear that. Hope you get well soon.
    Thanks for the concern bro.
    I'll be back, and better than before, just may take longer than I'd like.
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    Originally posted by supersize77
    I went to a walk in and talked to some general practinior who knew less than you guys do about my problem. She made me get xrays even though I have a soft tissue injury, but said it was the only way she could refer me to an orthopedic specialist (which she did). My appointment is next Wednesday, and I will follow up with the diagnosis.
    Went to the ortho today. He looked at my arm noted the inflamtion on the side of my elbow which mentioned was similar to tennis elbow except the inflamation was a littel further up the arm than usually occurs. He perfomed some hands on tests to further check my arm (making me work against his resistance, etc.) His conclusion: There are in his words "a couple of things going on with my arm" one invoving the biceps tendon/muscle and the other involveing the forearm muscle that runs slightly above my elbow. He said there wasn't a tear and just kind of dismissed the bruise above my elbow joint (where the swelling is) as broken cappilaries (thought thats what a bruise was) and that my problem was tendonits/soft tissue injury from strong gripping and overuse when lifting weights. His recomendation: Continue working out!!!; just avoid any movements that agrivate it (he said I would know what they were), and to sart back into bicep curls gradually (I told him I could only curl 15 lb dbells without pain and that I hadn't curled for several weeks). He said that if I continue to do things that aggrivate it while working out it will never heal and possibly become chronic (its been going on since January which he knew because he repeated it back to me-I thought it was chronic), but that i should continue to workout as it was an important part of the healing process (very different from alot of advice I have received about total layoff from upper body for a month or more)-so I have set up my workout to avoid anything that will overly stress my forearm (no heavy gripping, but some lighter stuff) and no heavy movements with back or bis (preexhausting with dbell pullovers). BTW, when I asked him about an MRI he said it was not needed at this point and basically recomened to me the R.I.C.E. advice which I am already following. He also gave me a script and 15 days worth of free samples of the anti-inflamatory Bextra Valdecoxib caps (20 mg) which he says are safer than Vioxx and you only have to take tham once a day. He seemed to be nice and knowledgeable, but also very busy, and although he was pretty patient with my questions, I could still tell he was trying to rush me through the system. Anyway, below is my nutritional and training plan of attack please critique:

    3 Day Split (Bi rehab 2)
    -4 weeks: 8-12 rep range (except bi's)
    -positive faliure on all sets without *
    -ice left elbow immediately after workout for 20 mins, and 2-4 times a day every day
    -take anti-inflammatory medication daily
    -Glucosamine / Chondroitin apoximately 3 grams each
    -3 tbls flax seed oil daily
    -concentrate on form and feeling the muscle on all exercises
    -Meals: 4x600 (approx.) +2 shakes (30+ grams protein per meal, 30- grams carbs per meal except after workout up to 150, no carbs for last meal of day).
    -after 4 weeks take 2 weeks off
    continue iceing twice a day

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    D-bell pullovers 10-12
    1.*60x12
    1 min
    2.*70x12
    1 min
    3.*80x10
    1 min
    4.80x
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    1.*135x12
    1 min
    2.*135x12
    2 min
    3.*135x12
    2 min
    4.135x11
    2 min
    Hammer pull downs
    1.*140x12
    rest 2 min
    2.180x10
    Machine lat raise
    1.*90x10
    1 min
    2.110x10
    Rotary Delt Machine (Paramount)
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    1 min
    2.*85x10
    2 min
    3.130x6
    1 min
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    1.*8x20
    1 min
    2.*10x15
    1 min
    3.*15x15
    1 min
    4.*15x15
    1 min
    5. *15x15
    Tuesday
    HIIT (20 min on treadmill)
    Abs
    SB LegLifts
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    Incline Sit Ups
    1.1x12
    SB Crunches
    1.1x12
    Crunch Machine
    1.1x12
    Vacuums
    4x12

    Wednesday
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    Bench
    1.*135x10
    1 min
    2.*185x8
    1 min
    3.*205x8
    2 min
    4.225x91/2
    2 min
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    2 min
    2.225x6
    2 min
    Hammer Press
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    1 min 50 is the goal 1 min rest
    Dips
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    2.9
    3.10
    4.9
    5.10
    1 min
    Strive tri machine
    1.45x8
    1 min
    2.45x8
    forearm bbell curls (behind back
    1.110x12
    rest 1 min,
    2.110x12
    reverse d-bell
    1.15x12
    2.15x12
    Thursday
    HIIT (20 min on treadmill)
    Abs
    SB LegLifts
    1.1x12
    Incline Sit Ups
    1.1x12
    SB Crunches
    1.1x12
    Crunch Machine
    1.1x12
    Vacuums
    4x12 (hold for 12 seconds)

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    Leg ex.
    1.*
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    2.*
    1 min
    3.150x
    Squat
    1.*135x12
    rest 1 min
    2.*185x10
    1 min
    3.225x
    2 min
    Leg press
    1.
    Leg curl 6-10 2 min
    1. *90x10
    2 min rest
    2.130x8
    1 min rest
    SLDL
    1.135x
    Seated Calf Raise 10-12
    1.*
    1 min
    2.*
    1 min
    3.
    Calf Raises 15-20 2 min
    1.*220x20
    1 min rest
    2.495x15
    Shrugs on calf raise machine
    1.*300x15,20
    1 min
    2.495x15,16
    1 min
    3.495x15,16
    Hammer Shrug Machine
    1.180x

    Saturday
    HIIT (20 min on treadmill)
    Abs
    SB LegLifts
    1.1x12
    Incline Sit Ups
    1.1x12
    SB Crunches
    1.1x12
    Crunch Machine
    1.1x12
    Vacuums
    4x12 (hold for 12 seconds)

    Sunday
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    Ice your joints after work outs, connective tissue doesnt heal when its inflammed, use heat to speed recovery when it nolonger infammed. This is prolly childs play to you. All i know to suggest and that was the only thing to help when i faced similar injuries from workouts and repeated armwrestling. Oh yeah the M1T made it excruciating at times.
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    dude, what the hell? july 03???

    remind me of someone else who used to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    dude, what the hell? july 03???

    remind me of someone else who used to do this.
    "asap nutrition" comes to mind.
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    yup, that's the one.
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    LMAO @ somewhatgifted.

    Hey supersize77, since you're online, how's the arm...

    Oh, and LunaHotel, love the avatar. It had been a LONG time since I'd seen it...
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    Manageable..tendonitis never goes away completely so I have to be careful with it.
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    Are you still using the devil's claw? I know people who got rid of tendonitis with that... Stacked with Cissus, that would surely be a GREAT inflamation-killer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    Are you still using the devil's claw? I know people who got rid of tendonitis with that... Stacked with Cissus, that would surely be a GREAT inflamation-killer...
    No, nothing has really worked but A.R.T., lots if stretching, and learning how to listen to my body. I stretch the area all the time and basically back off when it starts to get too irratated-then slowly build back up. It's not perfect but it still allows me to workout and make progress.
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    Ah crap, soory boys ill check dates from now on an try not to be a noob
  

  
 

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