what is a good bench??
- 07-11-2006, 01:40 AM
- 07-11-2006, 01:44 AM
I think the national standard is 1x your weight. 1.5x your weight is above average and 2x is a good sign of someone who hit sthe gym regularly
07-11-2006, 01:44 AM
To be honest, I don't consider bench pressing a significant measurement of anything special. My benching is 1.25 times my body weight but I hardly ever bench. My shoulders and other joints don't get along with the bench.
But, with that said...when I see a guy benching twice his weight that is pretty respectable. I never give value to big fat guys benching heavy weight and bouncing it off their stomach. I'm impressed by small guys who look weak that can put up big numbers.
I guess, I really respect well roundedness more than anything. LOL, maybe a little too much verbage.
07-11-2006, 02:31 AM
I agree with Jay, and Rage. A nice bench impresses me as long as it's part of a well-rounded, complete routine and the guy isn't a strictly biceps and bench press kind of guy. If the person has never done Squats or Deads and they tell me they bench 315 I tell them to **** off, because I could care less.
07-11-2006, 03:13 AM
I would say 1.5-1.75 times bodyweight is respectable and more than likely the weight is lifted with good form - no bouncing off the chest, and feet must be on the bench. Benchpress has never been my specialty either but like Dead-lifts, squats, it is a must exercise. I prefer dumbbell presses because they hit the all the pectoral muscle areas while the flatbench tends to tire the shoulders and triceps quicker thus negating any explosive power for quality reps. I do love close-grip benchpress and my chest gets a better pump with those. To shake things up I have been doing flat dumbbell presses on a ball and I have felt different muscle groups being hit as well as the abdominal region being worked by trying to balance on the ball. I also have been doing arnold presses on the ball and 35 lbs feels like 70 lbs. If you guys try the "ball" exercises let me know what you think. Lastly, (yeah I know I sure can talk,..) I see a lot of workout logs that indicate low reps 4-6 reps on exercises that are more conducive for 10-12 or maybe even 15 reps. I keep the core exercises Squats, Dead Lifts, Benchpress, etc, at the 10-12 rep range and never go lower than 8 if I can help it. Once a month I will do high reps of 15-30 to shock the fast twitch fibers and give the slow twitch a break. This routine has worked out real well and my strength has shot through the roof. Have any of you guys shocked your bodies like that? Any other ideas?
07-11-2006, 03:20 AM
07-11-2006, 03:24 AM
I Can do 1.5 my body for reps and im 215 and 6'3", not powerlifter porportions. If youve added significantly more weight since youve began training then thats a better focus than comparing to others. In grade 11 i benched 135 for 2 with help at 150 pounds, so thats what i worry about. When talking about bodybuilding a bench press is such a small detail and largely genetic, barrel chest and short arms are nice helpers. To many focus on the bench id rather say whats your three lift total, not that im a powerlifter but roundedness is harder to achieve than exploiting genetic gifts soley. In 7 years ive added 200 lbs? or so to my bench since ive stopping growing height wise.
07-11-2006, 01:57 PM
It all depends on your goal. In high school, I was 155-160, and I maxed out at 375, w/ respectable deads and squats(thats all my coach made us do). I needed alot of raw power for the sports I was in. Now, I'm 185-190, and I never max out, because I never grew much when training like that, and I have a more bodybuilding type mindset. In order for me to grow, I need to switch up the reps, form, speed, weight etc, in order to get the most growth; not to mention I don't just do 1 exercise for chest. So, yeah 1.25-1.75 is good, but it's not a standard and it only matters if you use perfect form, as with any/every exercise.
07-11-2006, 01:58 PM
I think I only do about 1.5x my bodyweight, although it's been a long time since I've actually done flat bench.
My incline was extremely pathetic, and I've been concentrating on that more. I can now incline press more than my bodyweight for around 12 reps. I'm a little over 200lbs.
Honestly, I think bench numbers are only to impress other guys. Girls are not impressed, and typically wouldn't even know what a good number even is (with any lift). Of course, I may just be saying that because benching is one of my weakest lifts, LoL. (I know I'm tricep/deltiod dominanant).
But I have to admit that I pay more attention to how I look in the mirror as opposed to the actual lift numbers than what I used to. Although reaching a PR always gives me a rush...
07-11-2006, 02:00 PM
07-11-2006, 02:09 PM
07-11-2006, 02:14 PM
hah, it's been almost three years since I hit those numbers at such a light weight. But it made me feel big in high school lol, throwing shotput among alot of guys who were alot bigger than I.Originally Posted by Sunder
07-11-2006, 02:24 PM
If you add the spotter 'tea-bag factor' that's extremely nuts.Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
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07-11-2006, 02:57 PM
I can honestly say my benchpress numbers are pretty bad. I contribute some of the bad numbers to my freakishly long arms. I'm 6'2, but have a wingspan of 6'9. I think I can bench about 215 right now weighing 185 pounds. But I never try to max out so I'm not really sure. But I'm definitely working on my chest, because it's my weak point. When I used to weigh 300 pounds, I was only able to bench 230max...so I don't feel TOO bad.
On a side-note...what would you consider "respectable" Max Squats and Deads for a 6'2 185 pound guy?
07-11-2006, 03:05 PM
07-11-2006, 03:28 PM
IMO someone who is just starting out should keep feet on the bench and concentrate on proper form. If you are able to kee your feet on the floor and use proper form-then keep doing it. People who start out with bad form don't ever build that foundation that is so pertinent for true progress and strength increases. Benchpress by and large is everyone's first real gym exercise and so many novices use bad form, build false security, and create perpetual bad habits in other exercises. That is why I am so against about- "keeping feet on the floor" I ask you all - Would you build a house foundation with balsa wood?I see so many people excited about benchpressing "impresssive amounts" in the gym but when you really stop and look at how it was done you have to question the form and execution when it is done with feet on the floor. You lie down the bench and place your feet on the floor and use them and your lower back for balance. You feel secure that you you canknow push against the floor which is not moving anywhere. Thus you inadvertently use momentum, your lower back, and legs to push the weight. When your feet are up- the chest area is isolated and you are forced to use more coordination and balance to execute the press. Now, I am not trying to be "the almighty know it all" but again IMO why would you want to take credit for benching weight using legs, lower back, momentum, etc, when you can get more out of less weight and really isolate the pec region. I always see guys that move a lot of weight but their asses come off the bench inadvertently with the legs pushing against the floor and/or I see the bounce off the chest where now moving the weight is done by momentum. There is no control of the weight coming down. If you dare attempt to do that when your feet are up on the bench- you will either fall off because the weight forced you to lean too far in one direction or you will crack your sternum or a rib. See what I mean? The legs, and lowr back with feet on the floor allows for that poor form to exist. But don't be fooled. You are not doing a proper bench press. In fact your form will result in sore shoulders, lower back, calves, abs, but hey your ego is intact. DO THE EXERCISE RIGHT AND YOU WILL SEE MORE RESULTS ON YOUR BODY THAN IN YOUR MIND.
07-11-2006, 03:50 PM
Anyone who squats or deadlifts gets my respect. The numbers are secondary.Originally Posted by phillyb
07-11-2006, 04:05 PM
That's all well and good but I would never teach someone to benchpress the wrong way to start off with. That is an extremely, extremely dangerous way to bench in that you have no stable center of gravity and the bar could tip at any time. If the person is using momentum their concept of the movement is out of whack, the feet placement becomes inconsequential at that point, save for your method makes it more dangerous. I have seen guys that put their feet on the bench that just arc their back and push off the bench instead.Originally Posted by ICEBERG
07-11-2006, 04:07 PM
You don't grow if you don't squat, dead-lift, or avoid compound exercises for the isolated and shaping ones. Alright you got me fired up for Back and Biceps! Keep Pumping, and Growing.
07-11-2006, 04:13 PM
I dn't think there is a "formula" for impressive. If you're a 400lbs fatass, I'm still impressed if you're benching 400lbs even though its only your bodyweight and if you're a stick I'm impressed if you can rep your own bodyweight. Just depends on the situation.
07-11-2006, 04:31 PM
07-11-2006, 04:42 PM
that's horrible advice right there, i'm a powerlifter and bench with one of the top guys in the sport and feet up isnt even an option. your legs arent just there for power, they are there for stability, put 315+ in your hands and keep your feet up and tell me how safe it is, it's not. nothing wrong with using some legs in the momentum, just keep your ass down. if you dont want to use your legs in the movement do floor presses, keeping yoruself balanced on a bench with your feet up is just crazy.Originally Posted by ICEBERG
and out of curiosity how much do you bench?
07-11-2006, 04:46 PM
Wow, this is everything against what I do. But I PL and you need your feet on the ground to drive when benching. Along with a nice arch, shoulders pulled together.Originally Posted by ICEBERG
07-11-2006, 05:07 PM
There are several methods of performing a BB Bench Press depending upon your goals.
Barbell Bench Press Power Lift
Barbell Bench Press
Barbell Guillotine Bench Press
Glossary of Structural Kinesiology and Weight Trianing Terms
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07-11-2006, 05:34 PM
I was afraid of this... I did not want to come off sounding as my method or technique was the sure-fire way. It's just that I saw better results with my chest workouts with feet-up. As Power-lifters go I understand that the focus is on strength, mass, and power. I do not advise Powerlifters to change their methods- it's obvious that you know the right form and technique, however, as a bodybuilder who is always looking to shock my muscles and weight amounts don't matter to me just as long as I am getting quality 10-15 reps for most exercises excluding Benchpress, Squats, Deadlifts, where I look to hit 8-10 reps. If I had to estimate what my benchpress max would be - I would say 350 lbs. How about yourself?
07-11-2006, 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by ICEBERG
havent maxed out in a while so these are questimates:
raw - 315-330
loose single ply - hit 385 yesterday and had plenty left, will see this weekend what max is
2ply - 495 off 2 board
07-11-2006, 05:55 PM
07-11-2006, 06:06 PM
485 feet on the ground!!!!! Hey iceberg, i see pansy ass PT teaching that to clients I go over and ***** slap 'em
Really though who ever taught you to bench with your feet up is not the brightest bulb. I challenge you to start benching properly and see where your chest development goes.
BTW where do you keep your thumb?
2x BW is respectable in my book!
07-11-2006, 06:13 PM
*355 medium wellOriginally Posted by Jayhawkk
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07-11-2006, 08:32 PM
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