[khan8]

ok so i see these instruction vids for them and they use momentum to get the bar to their abs, then it comes straight down again

then when i do them inn the gym, i do each rep deliberately without momentum, pause at my upper abs while bringing my elbows as high as i can, then lower it under control with perfect form (i have to do the bar with perfect form)


which is better for mass/strength and who is right?


how do u do them?

[Jayhawkk]

I don't have the educated answer but I do every exercise with my intentions of not using momentum to move the bar.

[Viperspit]

I believe both have their place. When you are using momentum, you are able to lift heavier, thus stimulating new growth. Strict form also has it's place to learn the exercise, perfect it, move up in weight as you progress. The short answer is both are fine

[FitnFirm]

I do these on back day, which was today, your form must be perfect to work correctly, I call it the duck butt you have to arch your back and stick up your booty and pull to the bottom of your rib cage and then down. It a great mass builder for the back if done correctly

[CROWLER]

Originally Posted by Viperspit

I believe both have their place. When you are using momentum, you are able to lift heavier, thus stimulating new growth. Strict form also has it's place to learn the exercise, perfect it, move up in weight as you progress. The short answer is both are fine

HEY!

Go answer the 100% proper form question over at IM they could use this info


CROWLER

[spatch]

They probably use bad form to look good in the videos ie. more weight

[Leggo my Ego]

use slow, perfect form and hold at the top for a sec. let the weight down slow and controlled and feel the stretch in the upper/mid back muscles. I'm guessing that you are young and are somewhat novice to lifting so you need to work on your form and build a solid foundation/core before using heavier weights and looser form..

peace!

[Basso]

Originally Posted by Viperspit

I believe both have their place. When you are using momentum, you are able to lift heavier, thus stimulating new growth. Strict form also has it's place to learn the exercise, perfect it, move up in weight as you progress. The short answer is both are fine

Agreed, they both are advantages and can be combined. i.e. 8 reps to failure with strict form + 2 additional reps using momentum. I don't disagree that strict form is important, but you strict only people are missing out on a whole dimension of growth!

[CHAPS]

I agree with Viperspit, they both have their place, you have to understand that once you get into some HEAVY HEAVY weights a little body english is ok, fact is big weights build big muscles, i don't mean get sloppy but i'll use explosive form on my heavy rows and it works great for me. Just like with pulldowns once you get into heavier weights literally everyone leans back atleast a little. Just remember only cheat to make the exercise more difficult not less, so by using moment on bb rows you can use heavier weights and their for fatigue more muscle fibers.

[khan8]

two things quickly:

1) define going "heavy" or lifting "heavy"

2) explain y using momentum would be good for anything, like for example if im swinging a DB up on lateral raises im not working my deltoids well or if im using momentum to get my feet up in leg raises im not working my abs very well.. so explain why it would be different here

[khan8]

and i thought going to failure is bad??

[Basso]

i.e. with bent-over rows, I can do 275lbs strict for sets of 8, but some days I'll put on 315 and do 6-8 reps the last 3-4 are not strict but I'm still utilizing my lats to raise the weight with momentum from the body, it's a form of overloading. It's not a totally out of control movement but controlled overloading. This does not work well for every exercise obviously that's why bands/chains/boards are tools used to help overload specific areas of a lift.

Failure all the time is not good, but it definitely has it's place, how do you expect to gain if you don't push past what your body can normally handle? I know there is a following behind the no failure crowd, but not to many of them are very big. (I didn't say all) If you've never utilized it how do you know it won't work for you? jmho

[khan8]

what muscles does the bent over bb row work then if it doesnt directly work lats (which i thought it did) ??

[PVSkyHigh]

Originally Posted by khan8

what muscles does the bent over bb row work then if it doesnt directly work lats (which i thought it did) ??

It Definately works your lats. It also works your traps, romboids and teres major and minor, rear delts, biceps and forearms.

[Basso]

Originally Posted by khan8

what muscles does the bent over bb row work then if it doesnt directly work lats (which i thought it did) ??

Lats are primary with several secondaries, it is more of a compound movement, but can be utilized as an isalatory movement. Kind of like Squats, definitely compound but using different foot/bar placement etc. you can isolate different heads.

[CHAPS]

Good posting Basso, and ya they also work your errectors, but like basso said using looser form only works on some exercises. Like say barbell curls when you can't use perfect form anymore swing the weight up and do a slow controlled negative, this is effectively cheating, but i'm not talking a huge swing where your going to hurt yourself, lol.

[tplant]

I'm a moron but which way do you grip the bar when doing it? I used to do it with my wrists facing in(as in reverse curls) but since doing it with wrists out I seem to feel more of a stretch. Just wondering if there is a proper way?