What the pros do (check this out)
06-19-2006 07:05 PM
What the pros do (check this out)
Guess what i just heard from a very reliable source. Chad nichols( ronnie colemans nutritionist) and many others tell their bodybuilding clients to take 2 months off completely from training after they get done with their shows. They arent even allowed to touch a weight. This is supposed to shock the muscles big time when they go back to training again. has anyone heard of this. I would like to hear what your opinions on this are. What do ya think?
06-19-2006 07:25 PM
Strategic deconditioning. I've never thought you would take that long off, but it helps lower muscle defenses to increase gains when you start back.
06-19-2006 07:33 PM
Whenever I've taken a period greater than 4 weeks off, It blows chunks coming back, I guess it could work but I don't agree (not that it matters).
06-19-2006 07:40 PM
I train for 12 weeks and then take two weeks off and that is hard for me to do, I can't imagine taking off two solid months I'd lose what little is left of my mind.
06-19-2006 11:48 PM
I really believe this, i injured my forearms years and years ago and couldn't even lift weight plates to train legs so i just did cardio for 2.5 months i believe and dropped somewhere in the neighborhood of 25lbs! I was doing cardio so i wouldn't get chubby, it's all i could do and yes it was depressing as hell to watch my hard work get pissed away, i'd see myself shrink in the mirror practically daily. BUT once i got back in the gym i started out with pathetic weights and got my eating and supplementation inline perfectly i rebounded incredibly fast and actually went up in weight, i ended up putting on 40lbs 3 months i believe without much added bodyfat. It really does work, but i'd much rather do controlled over training for 2 weeks followed by a couple weeks of bulking to fastforward progress than take 2 months off. BUt you may be right because when i went to Ronnie's seminar this year he was just coming off of a 3 months layoff i believe and he still looked huge with abs and veins everywhere.
06-20-2006 12:29 AM
agreed.. I recently took 3 weeks off.. and now I walk like present day Charlton Heston after Saturday's leg workout...
Originally Posted by Basso
06-20-2006 10:41 AM
The value of strategic Deconditioning is debatable. There's a few studies and some discussion about it over the Hypertrophy Research boards, and if I remember right as far as physiological changes go there is no significant deconditioning for most people until they've taken three or more weeks off.
Originally Posted by Beebs
06-20-2006 11:47 AM
Really? Its up to three weeks now? The last time I was in a discussion it was a solid 2 weeks. But several months does seem kind of excessive. Maybe I'll give three weeks a shot on my next S.D.
06-20-2006 12:02 PM
I NEVER take even a single day off, because that is what theSteroidMonkey told me to do!
06-20-2006 01:01 PM
That's an aweful lot to take off. Maybe a very light routine and 1-2 weeks off would be more beneficial perhaps ?
06-20-2006 01:20 PM
Check out the boards. I remember a couple studies being posted showing voluntary strength stayed pretty consistent for most people over the short term though size was lost. When they talk of it over there it's in the unofficial terms of anabolic potential, and the more trained you are the less potential you can realize, so you decondition to get your muscles to be more reactive to stimulus. Thing is you lose size and that's what most of us want. Generally over there I think the consensus for size was progressive loading within constantly reducing rep ranges never going below around 80-85% of your max per rep range, followed by whatever deload or deconditioning you prefer and then repeat. The key basically is if your muscles are less responsive the benefits of Strategic Deconditioning for any length of time might be negligible when compared to simply continuing training within the effective weight range. Of course I think Hay**** claimed he had some studies that proved otherwise, but I think he's saving them for his book(s), should they ever see the light of day.
Originally Posted by precious_roy
06-20-2006 02:07 PM
That seems a bit extreme....but if most of those guys are stacking numerous drugs, their bodies probably need the rest.
I like to take 1 full week off from training twice each year (along with 3 days rest when needed).
06-20-2006 02:20 PM
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
I take a week off every 6-8 weeks like somebody is holding a gun to my head, but I could not imagine taking a two month layoff..I should add to CHAPS comment about coming back from injury. I lost 20lbs and counting today have put 45lbs on since Feb.17, 20lbs heavier than my original weight. It has all been with food and creatine pretty much, except for right now
06-20-2006 03:02 PM
Yep your body will over compensate, so maybe Kevin Levrone knew what he was doing, i bet that guy inflated practically over night. But it doesn't suprise me that he tore his pec and tricep doing it that way, that's gotta be hell on the joints and tendons.
06-20-2006 03:09 PM
I've been, uh... "strategic reconditioning" (or not ) for between 7-8 months now with a few visits to the gym in between. To tell you the truth, there isa big loss at around the 1-2 month mark and then you just seem to keep most of it. at least for me anyway. I went back in last week and was doing 295 x 5 within a week again on flat bench. surprised the hell outta me.
I can see the value in it...you just need a break, ya know? Only problem is coming back. Its VERY, VERY, VERY HARD to get back in teh routine again.
Now, my only problem with this thread is its a "friend of a friend" type deal. Could be total heresay.
06-20-2006 03:49 PM
I know this is just my opinion but those guys run a lot of chemicals through their body. I think those two months also might have a lot to do with giving their body a slight break from all of that stuff. I mean, just look at how those guys look the day of a show, i cant imagine what some of them put in their bodies to look that way. Anyone would need a break after that.
06-20-2006 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by PVSkyHigh
06-20-2006 05:46 PM
I'm sure you've hit a large portion of the reason right there.
Originally Posted by Hbs6
06-21-2006 11:33 AM
I'm thinking these days more in, oddly enough, energy turnover. So I don't decondition anymore, I just drop volume ala Pendlay 5x5 style. Seem's to 'work' for all I feel, and I take the occasional week or so off if I feel it's needed. I wish Hay**** would get his book(s) together and present the evidence on this issue, it's the one that's been most argued in the forums I visit and he still seems to advocate a two week SD as all that's needed.
Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
06-21-2006 12:40 PM
What is the book he is putting together? A compilation of studies to back up the theory of HST?
I can't visit the HST site anymore because (ironically) its blocked here at work while this site is not.
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