You've lifted twice a day and... ?
- 02-16-2006, 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by Grunt76
37 - 45 minutes is perfect. My current workouts take approx 1 hour 20 mins even though I only do 15 work sets. So now I will divide it in half and each workout will be approx 40 mins.
Hey I might even have time to work calves and abs which I don't do now
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- 02-17-2006, 12:07 AM
Yeh, optimal hGH response + insulin = IGF-1. If hGH is high at the same time as insulin, the liver combines them together and makes IGF-1. This is followed, shortly thereafter, by an expression of IGFBP, which has the job of "mopping up" any IGF that hasn't successfully attached to a receptor, but in the natural athlete this mechanism doesn't come into action because the amount of IGF-1 isn't huge compared to the amount of receptors activated through the exercise.
This is the reason so many advocate a high-GI post-workout shake even if the amount of carbs involved seems small, such as 50g dextrose. This has nothing to do with glycogen replenishment or synthesis although it certainly doesn't hinder. Combined with a hypertrophy wourkout, I find this is efficient.
02-17-2006, 07:41 AM
but you forgot one thing......those are a lot of big words.
anyhoo, what's good for the goose ain't always good for the gander. some guys can get by with dextrose for PostWO, but the carb sensitive fellows need to stay away from it. i find blended up oatmeal with whey works great for pre and post.
02-17-2006, 07:45 AM
Well I do it when I'm cutting so I still only train each body part once a week. The other days I leave my muslce alone and do HIIT style cardio.Originally Posted by CROWLER
02-17-2006, 08:21 AM
We do that here at FSU for football over the summer. I lift for about 50-70 minutes around 11:00 am in the morning then we have to be back at the field at 5:00 pm to do heavy sprints or agility type work. I can tell you the fatloss is outstanding. I am a hardcore ecto, however, so it can be frustrating at times. Luckily since it was summer I was able to sleep a lot in between and eat like crazy. Here is what I looked like when I was doing it. I actually did gain about 6 more lbs than I am here (all lean mass) while I was doing all of this.
02-17-2006, 01:56 PM
You look ripped and powerful, keep it up you abviously found something that works for you, given your admiration of your accomplishments.Originally Posted by LakeMountD
02-17-2006, 06:46 PM
I got some of my best results with an expieriment I did a few years back. I was lifting twice a day and going no where so I...
Took 5 days off and lifted once a week. One movement/set per body part to failure.
It looked like this:
Incline DB press
DB shoulder press
Every movement to failure.
I did this for 8 weeks, documented everything. My strength went way up, also my rep count went way up.
When I first started I could do 8 good chins with a dip belt blus 20#'s at the and I was doing 8-10 with 60#'s
My lady couldn't do any chins un-assisted, at the end she was doing 6 with 25#'s added...
Moral of the story...Do not overtrain!
02-28-2006, 03:06 PM
does anyone train the same body part twice a day or just different bodyparts?
I've been cutting for a while and have been able to keep (slightly) increasing weights on everything except chest. I really seem to run out of strength after doing two main pressing exercises. I really want to switch stuff up, so I was thinking of trying this:
Chest Pressing Exercise 1
Chest Pressing Exercise 2
Ancillary delt work (same as current workout)
Chest Isolation Exercise 2
I'd keep volume exactly the same, but see the benefit as 1) getting to have two pre/post workout meals and b) rest/recovery time should allow me to put more effort into the second half of the workout. Anybody think this is worth trying or just nuts?
02-28-2006, 03:12 PM
I wouldn't even try that. I think the goal is HIT and RUN, meaning, give the stimulus for growth, then REST. If you work the same bodypart again, you're just giving the same stimulus to a muscle that has just received it a few hours ago.
I think the main reason for the 2xD thing is the enhanced hGH pulse, and added INTENSITY to "second" bodypart. By this I mean if you do chest & triceps, you will be less intense with your tris if you were at max intensity with chest, unless you keep it REALLY short...
03-08-2006, 12:10 PM
03-19-2006, 11:49 AM
Alright well this summer I was thinking about going 2ce a day. This is how I would go about it.
Run 20-30 minutes at a fast pace.
Work out 1
HEAVIEST WEIGHT I CAN DO REPS ON
3x8 Seated Chest Press
3x8 Pec Dec
4x8 Seated Row
3x10 Wrist curls
3x8 Leg Extentions
3x8 Chest pull downs
3x8 Leg Press
3x20 Millitary press.
500 Sit-up variations.
Work out 2
HALF OF MY MAXES
3x15 Seated Chest Press
3x15 Pec Dec
4x15 Seated Row
3x10 Wrist curls
3x10 Leg Extentions
3x10 Chest pull downs
3x15 Leg Press
3x20 Millitary press.
500 Sit-up variations.
I would be taking protein and creatine.
I would also be swimming in the pool a good bit of the day.
03-21-2006, 02:53 AM
Honestly, I think working out twice per day is good for reason Grunt said. Hit one bodypart in the morning, and a different in the evening. Doing the same muscle twice in the same day is probably not the best idea.
03-21-2006, 06:13 PM
So heavy in the morning and very light in the evening is a no-no? Even when intaking alot of protien and creatines and bcaa/eaas to help prevent muscle breakdown/ increase protein synthesis.
03-21-2006, 06:37 PM
The only two reasons I can think of doing 2 a days for is:
1) Improving metabolic rate
2) More energy for later exercises
2b) Possible manuplation of hormones...
There is no point to train light unless you are trying to improve endurance.
03-21-2006, 07:42 PM
[email protected] are the main reasons, the morning work out is for stregnth and size. The after-noon is just for endurance and to keep blood flowing and some quick muscle twitch fibers.Originally Posted by doggzj
03-21-2006, 08:48 PM
What you need to do is stimulate growth, and then let it happen. By training again at night, even light, you are possibly preventing this from happening. Unless it's VERY light, and very far from failure. And even then, I think if your postworkout nutrition is sound, a second weights workout would be much better spent on kicking another bodypart than playing the fine line between creating a refeed effect and catabolism.
03-21-2006, 08:58 PM
It will be no more than 20 lbs for each exercise and by no means will it be to fatigue-failure. I just guess I have to see how it goes for me.Originally Posted by Grunt76
03-23-2006, 09:15 AM
03-28-2006, 09:48 AM
Good thread. I've done a few stretches at training twice a day. I saw an in increase in fat-loss for one. Of course that was directly related to diet but it definately helped. I tried to limit my time in the gym to 45 mins. give or take since I knew I'd be there later. Which is very interesting from what's been said about the hgh thing. When my workouts were quicker, in 45 min range rather than around 1 1/2 hours (which I'm known to do),I always felt my workouts and pumps were better. I wouldn't lose my pump, growth was good, and I just generally felt better. I felt like I had sufficiently worked the trained muscle without frying my nervous system. When going in for the second session I felt I could hit that muscle at 100% and not about 70%. I thought it interesting when I'd do two body parts in one sessions rather than over two sessions I inevitably take longer to do the same amount of sets (probably a mental thing). I definately found spending no more than 45 min on a major muscle group rather than an 1hour to do the same routine is definately the better workout. If I could get in twice a day consistently I'd stick with it, but the school schedule doesn't allow for that.
I do think it's wise to mostly stick to doing major and minor groups (ie: chest/am and tri's/pm). Although the occassional Chest and Back would be good. I think I'd be total wreck if I did the chest/back am and legs pm on a consistent basis.
I just thougth of something. Since nutrient timing is an issue do you think some of the benefit to training twice a day is because the 1st muscle trained doesn't have to wait going through 1 or 2 more body parts before you're feeding it? I'm sure pre-workout nutrition could affect this as well, but what are ya'lls thoughts on this?
04-15-2006, 07:28 PM
Growth hormone release from exercise is a joke, supraphysiological doses of growth hormone have negligible anabolic properties.Originally Posted by Grunt76
This is actually useful for highly technical lifters such as olympic lifters, as the majority of training is technical in nature and you tend to perform better when "fresh" in technical endeavors.
For bodybuilders, I think there is a limit to how much you can break down your workouts into smaller and smaller pieces. I think there is a dose-response curve for exercise stimuli, and at certain points on the curve doing one third the work three times will add up to less than doing all the work in one sitting (this has been shown under certain circumstances in studies).
Edit: Just a note since I missed the portion of the discussion about workout duration... I notice that how I feel leaving the gym is highly correlated with my lift increases the next time I go in. If I leave the gym with a huge endorphin rush, I do great next time up. If I leave feeling drained, I do ****ty. Just a correlation, but it's significant enough that I try for it each workout. I find that 45-60 minutes of training with 2-4 minute rest periods and 3-5 warmup sets for each exercise, with 2-4 exercises (depending on what exercises I'm doing) tends to give me that feeling.
04-16-2006, 12:05 PM
I can not agree more with the your first sentence, That put a very big smile on my face!!!!!1Originally Posted by Grunt76
04-23-2006, 09:39 AM
now....working out twice a day.....how about doing cardio 2 times a day....say like at 6am do 1 hour....and then at like 6pm do an hour?? throw in a lifting session around 1pm.....would that be good for a person on a cutting cycle...or is that over doing it...? All the cardio is low intensity walking with some resistance added to it (eliptical)
04-23-2006, 02:47 PM
did it for college atheletics, also when i was younger I often did am weight and then pm cardio
eating enough was even harder, and it was already very hard
I'm 40 now , so **** that noise! Even if I used AAS it would be too much for my recovery system
If you are young enough and tailor it intelligently, It can be very successful provided that
1) you have time
2) your nutrition and supplementation is very good
3) adequate rest and sleep.....especially importantfor two a days!
4) after 6 years in the Corps, 4x a week once a day is just fine with me! Talk about 2 a days..try the military!
04-24-2006, 01:11 AM
I can understand POSSIBLY splitting up cardio and weight training sessions to put yourself in the gym twice a day. ( I dont even do that precontest any more) I think the current training mantra currently is .........less is more. Most of my program designs utilize full body training. Train the body as a whole-rest it as a whole. The average trainer unless chemically enhanced would be grossly overtrained and just because you can do more sets for a bodypart you have to consider the idea of dimminishing returns. Hit the body hard with compound exercies for 8-10 total work sets and get out of the gym
04-24-2006, 11:50 AM
I agree, my comment was pretty much geared towards athletes who often spend an inordinate amount of time training. Powerlifters also stucture their training differently and I know some that do some session splitting. For joe average bodybuilder, I would say less is more for sure! Some people like the seperate cardio thing precontest...I think that is rather related to individual metablolism and eating habits. Also nutritional information and supplementation is much better than it was say 10 years ago...so trends will change. All that being said...whatever works best keep it ....the **** that does'nt work fix it . A little bit of wisdom from powerlifter Dave Tate. If you track things it is actually not that hard to doOriginally Posted by njmuscle66
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