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    Is this true? 15 day bulk, 15 day diet?


    I was reading in a magazine that, If your trying to build muscle and keep a low body fat % you need to: Eat 3,500-4,000 Cals a day for 15 days then switch over to 2,500 cals a day for the other 15 days.... It said if you do this every month with some cardio, and a good weight lifting program, you should notice great results.... Is this true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mills
    I was reading in a magazine that, If your trying to build muscle and keep a low body fat % you need to: Eat 3,500-4,000 Cals a day for 15 days then switch over to 2,500 cals a day for the other 15 days.... It said if you do this every month with some cardio, and a good weight lifting program, you should notice great results.... Is this true?
    I've never heard of such a thing. You can't use those numbers for everyone when we're all a different size. Sounds bogus to me..It's very difficult to keep a low BF% and build muscle. It can be done however if you eat very clean. You have to be in a calorie surplus to build muscle, so I'm not sure how they can advocate dropping cals so drastically in 2 measly weeks.
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    i think you are talking about carb cycling.
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    There was a program, something like ABCDE that is even more dramatic than what you described. You bulk like crazy, and then diet at <2000 cals. UD2 is somewhat similar if used for bulking. I have come to the conclusion that these types of programs are not worth the suffering they require, at least not if doing it for any period of time. Why not just incrementally increase or decrease cals until you reach your goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    There was a program, something like ABCDE that is even more dramatic than what you described. You bulk like crazy, and then diet at <2000 cals. UD2 is somewhat similar if used for bulking. I have come to the conclusion that these types of programs are not worth the suffering they require, at least not if doing it for any period of time. Why not just incrementally increase or decrease cals until you reach your goals.
    Yeah, it stands for the Anabolic Burst Cycling of Diet and Exercise. I've never tried it personally, but know of people who think highly of it. I'm actually considering trying after I am done dropping a few pounds just to try something totally new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gdawg
    Yeah, it stands for the Anabolic Burst Cycling of Diet and Exercise. I've never tried it personally, but know of people who think highly of it. I'm actually considering trying after I am done dropping a few pounds just to try something totally new.
    I started seven days ago.
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    ABCDE was in the the origional Biotest Body for Life propoganda rag that Bill Phillips put out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mills
    I started seven days ago.
    Well in the name of science keep us updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jminis
    Well in the name of science keep us updated.
    I will
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    There was a program, something like ABCDE that is even more dramatic than what you described. You bulk like crazy, and then diet at <2000 cals. UD2 is somewhat similar if used for bulking. I have come to the conclusion that these types of programs are not worth the suffering they require, at least not if doing it for any period of time. Why not just incrementally increase or decrease cals until you reach your goals.
    I agree, although the point of ABCDE was hormonal manipulation through food, which obviously isn't the case in constant-level caloric programs, which are admittedly much easier to follow. After reading the ABCDE, I remember being tempted to try it. Consider this a subscription.
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    I'm definitely curious to see how this turns out, but I thought something like UD2 is better for these purposes b/c leptin levels start to plummet after about 5-6 days of severe caloric restriction.
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    Well I did the 15 day diet and now I'm starting the 15 day bulk. I went from 191lbs to 183lbs.... My pants fit great and I see my abs again (just about connecting in the middle) Now if this works out right... I should get to "maybe" 192-93lbs then cut back in 15 days to 184-185lbs. Gaining 1-2lbs a month (LBM) I'll keep you all posted.
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    How bad was the diet part??
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    The more I think about it, the more it's not so bad, I mean, you're dieting hard, but you know that in less than 2 weeks you'll be pigging out, that has got to be motivational. Jim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    The more I think about it, the more it's not so bad, I mean, you're dieting hard, but you know that in less than 2 weeks you'll be pigging out, that has got to be motivational. Jim?
    Yes, and I was looking forward to it.... Today so far.
    7:00am, Cup of oats and a banana.
    8:30am, English muffin with Natty PB...
    9:30 3 egg western armlet, wheat toast and 1/2 order home fries.
    12:00 two slices cheese pizza and a turkey sandwich....
    2:30 I will have a Protein drink.
    5:00 I will have a Large turkey breast, potato and Veggies.
    7:00 What ever I can get my hands on (That's mostly clean)
    (9:00) A large smoothie and a protein bar,

    On my diet day's would look like this.
    7:00 3/4 cup of oats...
    9:30 egg beater omelet with wheat toast.
    12:00 turkey,chicken or tuna sandwich.
    2:30 protein drink
    5:00 same as above but a smaller portion.
    7:00 protein drink... Maybe some cottage cheese
    I drink about a gallon or more of water on both plans.... Another thing I was thinking, I should save some money with this 15 day on 15 day off plan.... I have never really had a problem dieting... But this is a hole different story. You have something to look foward to.

    Forgot to mention, I eat a can or two of tuna to make up the protein I need during the day..... Mostly after my workout.
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    I've thought about doing something like this. I was thinking more like 4-6 week fairly clean bulk, 2 week cut.

    Could work well w/ HST. Do your 2 week cut during the two weeks of 15s, then bulk through the 10s, 5s, , etc. Then strategic deconditioning if you want, then back to cutting in the 15s.

    The 2 bulk/2 cut would work better for guys that really like to bulk up w/ pizza & icecream (almost everyone falls into that category from time to time).

    However, this really goes against the whole idea of gradually raising and lowering calories when you change from bulk to cut.
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    Well here is a recap... I bulked back up to 188 lbs from 183 in 15 days, pants still fit great and my abs are still showing (better than ever).... I started my 15 day diet yesterday and I think if I get back down to 183-184 I'll look pretty damn good... Leaner than I ever looked..... I think by doing this I am losing fat while gaining muscle.... I'm going to keep this up till the end of the winter and see how things go..... I'm also doing (15-20) rep sets with lighter weights while I'm dieting and switching back to 8-10 heavy reps while bulking..... Maybe I'm just fooling myself, but we will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mills
    Well here is a recap... I bulked back up to 188 lbs from 183 in 15 days, pants still fit great and my abs are still showing (better than ever).... I started my 15 day diet yesterday and I think if I get back down to 183-184 I'll look pretty damn good... Leaner than I ever looked..... I think by doing this I am losing fat while gaining muscle.... I'm going to keep this up till the end of the winter and see how things go..... I'm also doing (15-20) rep sets with lighter weights while I'm dieting and switching back to 8-10 heavy reps while bulking..... Maybe I'm just fooling myself, but we will see.
    Keep us updated. Pics would be great!
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    Don't know how I missed this thread, but I started this (a tweaked ABCDE) back on Jan. 2nd. Part of a recomp. plan. I was going to start a Log here, but never did. I'm on week 4, and as of the end of week 3, I was down 4 pounds overall.

    I used this back in the late 90s, and actually liked it. The only reason I changed was for the sake of change. I'm not sure why I never went back.

    I may still start my log. It's a 12-week plan for me, so I still have 8 weeks left to report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by massmonster
    ABCDE was in the the origional Biotest Body for Life propoganda rag that Bill Phillips put out.
    Actually, BFL was EAS, not Biotest. Bill Phillips actually wrote about this prior to BFL. ABCDE was actually developed by Torbjorn Akerfeldt, a scientist/bodybuilder in Sweden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    The more I think about it, the more it's not so bad, I mean, you're dieting hard, but you know that in less than 2 weeks you'll be pigging out, that has got to be motivational. Jim?
    This is how I am able to diet
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    ABCDE for Anyone Interested


    http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc1.asp

    OK, read past some of the hype, the program itself is still interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69
    http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc1.asp

    OK, read past some of the hype, the program itself is still interesting.
    Hmmmm, Very interesting. That looks about the same thing I'm doing.... The one I seen was in a muscle magazine but there wasn't a name for the plan.... Maybe Bobo will coment on this plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mills
    Hmmmm, Very interesting. That looks about the same thing I'm doing.... The one I seen was in a muscle magazine but there wasn't a name for the plan.... Maybe Bobo will coment on this plan?
    Yeah I'd be very interested to hear what Bobo has to say about this. After reading the article, it definitely sounds interesting. I may give it a shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott72
    Yeah I'd be very interested to hear what Bobo has to say about this. After reading the article, it definitely sounds interesting. I may give it a shot.
    I'll tell you one thing I like about it.... You look foward to the 15 day bulk period.
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    I do a 5 week bulk followed by a 1 week cut. Works well for me psychologically and physically. I didn't know there was something like this. Maybe I will give it a try.


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    I do find it hard to believe that you can eat anything you want and still pull this off. The science of it makes sense, but I just know I'd get fat as hell if I ate everything I wanted for 2 weeks as I'm a true endo.
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    I'm also an endo (well maybe meso-endo ), and during the "bulking" weeks, I focus on elevating calories as opposed to just eating everything. During my first Bulk, I was actually eating "cleaner" than I had been before (when I was turning into a fat-ass during the holidays). I felt like I was still burning fat during my bulk, couldn't have just been the reward of knowing I was eating better.
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    There were actually 4 parts to the article I posted. In part 2, Bill Phillips lists a sample meal plan for the bulk. It lists "clean" foods like oatmeal, chicken, egg whites, fruit, MRPs (although there is a cheeseburger).
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    I've never done this kind of diet, but I have heard of people having sucess dieting with something like a 3-4 days reduced cals...then uping it back up to maintainence for a day...then repeat.
    The difference in cals is only about 500-700 cals though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -2z-
    I've never done this kind of diet, but I have heard of people having sucess dieting with something like a 3-4 days reduced cals...then uping it back up to maintainence for a day...then repeat.
    The difference in cals is only about 500-700 cals though.
    I would say, on my 15 day bulk I'm taking in about 4,000-4,500 cals a day, maybe even a little more. On my diet days I'm only taking in about 2,000 cals a day.... I just try to get a lot of protein into them 2,000 cals.
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    Not to Hijack your thread, Jim, but I broke down and started the log I wanted to start 3 1/2 weeks ago...

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/gener...n-journal.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69
    Not to Hijack your thread, Jim, but I broke down and started the log I wanted to start 3 1/2 weeks ago...

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/gener...n-journal.html
    I'll be checking it out... I really don't have the time to keep logs just up-dates..... I wounder how it would workout if I was taking SD while on 15 days of bulking and PCT on the other 15 day of dieting for the next two months? Probably screw something up, like my liver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mills
    I'll be checking it out... I really don't have the time to keep logs just up-dates..... I wounder how it would workout if I was taking SD while on 15 days of bulking and PCT on the other 15 day of dieting for the next two months? Probably screw something up, like my liver.
    Definite

    You don't want to be in an extreme deficit while onPCT. You want just the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    Definite

    You don't want to be in an extreme deficit while onPCT. You want just the opposite.
    Agreed, this would be a bad idea. I do think however that you could run an ECA stack on the two cut weeks and that could be extremely effective.
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    I remember reading about this somewhere. Bill supposedly took the diet and changed the calorie amounts to make it sound more extreme. It was like originally you ate 17 cals per pound then went down to 12 for the diet part. He made it where you go from like 1200 cals for a whole day during the diet to 5000000 bulk and if you have a depressed metabolism you get fat too fast. But thats just what i read somewhere. I think it was on the hst forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott72
    Agreed, this would be a bad idea. I do think however that you could run an ECA stack on the two cut weeks and that could be extremely effective.
    scott, is this what your talking about?
    http://store.yahoo.com/generalnutrit...stacbynut.html
    Forgot to ask, I am very sensitive to caffeine... Is there anything in this stuff that is similar?.... I can't even drink a large coffee without sweating and having panic attacks.
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    That is it
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    Beowulf, creeping on 200lbs..... How tall are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mills
    scott, is this what your talking about?
    http://store.yahoo.com/generalnutrit...stacbynut.html
    Forgot to ask, I am very sensitive to caffeine... Is there anything in this stuff that is similar?.... I can't even drink a large coffee without sweating and having panic attacks.
    I wasn't talking about that particular product per se, but any stack consisting of ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin would do the trick.
    If your sensitive to caffeine, then I'd go for straight ephedrine hcl and leave the caffeine out. Most thermos these days contain caffeine.
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