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    too much for back?


    Is this too much for back?

    Deads 4 sets
    Lat pull downs 4
    Barbell rows 4
    DB rows 3
    DB pull overs 3


    I was thinking of either A) dropping the pull overs or DB rows or B) doing 3 sets of everything, except 4 for deads.


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    I would drop the pullovers before I did the rows IMO
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    I would drop the

    BB row
    DB rows
    DB pull overs
    entirely

    and drop the deads and pull downs to 2 sets each max



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    i too find that my back grows fine with low volume...my back routine looks like this:

    3x6 Deads
    2x6-8 Pullups
    1x6(very heavy) 1-arm Rows
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    switch lat pulldowns for chins and do pullovers only on occasion for a change of pace ...also, 3 sets for everything will be fine
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    I would drop pullovers. Keep everything else the same except do only three sets bb rows and every 3 weeks switch from doing them overhand grip to doing them underhand grip. Also try swithing every three to four weeks from doing deads first to doing them last. Just for a change of pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    I would drop the

    BB row
    DB rows
    DB pull overs
    entirely

    and drop the deads and pull downs to 2 sets each max



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    Hey just curious what your back routine is like w/o all those exercises. Is that all you do then is dl and pulldowns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    Is this too much for back?

    Deads 4 sets
    Lat pull downs 4
    Barbell rows 4
    DB rows 3
    DB pull overs 3


    I was thinking of either A) dropping the pull overs or DB rows or B) doing 3 sets of everything, except 4 for deads.


    Thanks.
    i like to alternate between 2 programs from week to week. for example, this week for back is:
    deadlifts
    barbell rows
    close grip pulldowns

    next week back:
    good mornings
    t-bar rows
    wide grip pulldowns

    lather, rinse, repeat......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    i like to alternate between 2 programs from week to week. for example, this week for back is:
    deadlifts
    barbell rows
    close grip pulldowns

    next week back:
    good mornings
    t-bar rows
    wide grip pulldowns

    lather, rinse, repeat......
    I have yet to try good mornings but have alot of friends that like them. I was also for awhile switching form wide grip to close grip every week as well and for bb rows I would switch from OH to UH grip every week. Now I do it every three weeks. No big difference though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by max-rot98
    I have yet to try good mornings but have alot of friends that like them. I was also for awhile switching form wide grip to close grip every week as well and for bb rows I would switch from OH to UH grip every week. Now I do it every three weeks. No big difference though.
    good mornings has helped tremendously with my deadlifts. especially with the pop off the bottom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    good mornings has helped tremendously with my deadlifts. especially with the pop off the bottom.
    Really, well maybe I'll start doing them for the next couple weeks. Deads really aggravate the hurnia I have. Since I can't go real heavy on deads I might as well switch to goodmornings at least till after my surgery. Thanks for the info Beelz.
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    i used to have a heck of a time training back, so i split it up into two workouts. on week 1 i will do workout A, in week 2 i will hit workout B...then repeat.

    workout A: deadlifts, chin-ups, rack chins, pull downs

    workout B: good mornings, bb rows, seated rows
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    i like to alternate between 2 programs from week to week. for example, this week for back is:
    deadlifts
    barbell rows
    close grip pulldowns

    next week back:
    good mornings
    t-bar rows
    wide grip pulldowns

    lather, rinse, repeat......
    Only 3 lifts for back? I'll try it I guess

    And what is the difference between good mornings and hyperextensions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    Only 3 lifts for back? I'll try it I guess

    And what is the difference between good mornings and hyperextensions?
    With good mornings you put a barbell on your shoulders like you would when you squat. Take a slightly wider than shoulder width stance with knees slightly bent. From there bend over at the waist until you hit 90 degrees then slowly return to the original position. Hyper extensions are basically the same thing except done on a special piece of equipment (I'm sure you know this). This way there is less strain exerted on your lower back. For me, good mornings are much more able to **** up my lower back than hyperextensions. Not a huge fan of GM's, but they work.
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    For anyone that does goodmornings would you mind telling me about how much weight you use in comparison to your deadlift so I can gauge where I should be around.(I know everyone is different just trying to get an idea)
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    Quote Originally Posted by max-rot98
    For anyone that does goodmornings would you mind telling me about how much weight you use in comparison to your deadlift so I can gauge where I should be around.(I know everyone is different just trying to get an idea)
    GM's and deads are in total different categoes for weight being used. I'm deading in the 500's, but GM's are ~185 for 10, then again I've only been at em for 2 workouts so far. Gotta be extra safe with GM's, putting your back in such a compromising position. I only know a few guys that exceed 315 and they're competitive PL'ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    Only 3 lifts for back? I'll try it I guess

    And what is the difference between good mornings and hyperextensions?
    it works for me, low volume/high intensity.
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    THe idea of a proper GM is not to bend at the waist, but to push your hips back. This allows for a better form, and the ability to go much heavier. During my pl days I commonly used over 400 pounds for GM's, they will not only help increase deadlift weight, but also your squat. I now use a variation of them from the floor for oly style weightlifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    THe idea of a proper GM is not to bend at the waist, but to push your hips back. This allows for a better form, and the ability to go much heavier. During my pl days I commonly used over 400 pounds for GM's, they will not only help increase deadlift weight, but also your squat. I now use a variation of them from the floor for oly style weightlifting.
    hmm, maybe i've been doing it wrong. now, that i think about it, my squat hit a PR too once i started GM's up.
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    i dont push crazy dead/squat numbers like some of you guys...but i would say GM is about 40-50% of deadlift weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    THe idea of a proper GM is not to bend at the waist, but to push your hips back. This allows for a better form, and the ability to go much heavier.
    I know what you're saying and I guess that's what I intended to say. So I have been doing them right. Still kills my lower back regardless.
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    Yeah I asked a couple of my competitive pl buddies at the gym yesterday they both do them at around 405 lbs. I will be starting them next week.
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    Dorian Yates posted this back workout in FLEX this month... what do you think?

    Close grip pulldowns 2 sets
    Chins 2 sets
    Barbell/t-bar Rows 2 sets
    seated pully rows 2 sets
    hypers 2-3 sets


    He also does 1-2 sets of warmups before each lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by max-rot98
    For anyone that does goodmornings would you mind telling me about how much weight you use in comparison to your deadlift so I can gauge where I should be around.(I know everyone is different just trying to get an idea)
    Well, I know that the heaviest I've gone for GMs was 495x3 on my ME day, it was a bit rough, but I got all three. I can't really say how much the DL was though because I was training westside style so regular DLs weren't part of the program, but I would wager my DL would be anywhere from 450-475, but that's just a guess on my part. Come monday when school starts and I get back to a full service gym, I'll probably test my numbers on the big three and see where I'm at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UHCougar05
    Well, I know that the heaviest I've gone for GMs was 495x3 on my ME day, it was a bit rough, but I got all three. I can't really say how much the DL was though because I was training westside style so regular DLs weren't part of the program, but I would wager my DL would be anywhere from 450-475, but that's just a guess on my part. Come monday when school starts and I get back to a full service gym, I'll probably test my numbers on the big three and see where I'm at.
    Cool man thanks. Yeah I will be starting them monday so I'll know by then but post your numbers anyway and how much you think GM's helped your dl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UHCougar05
    Well, I know that the heaviest I've gone for GMs was 495x3 on my ME day, it was a bit rough, but I got all three. I can't really say how much the DL was though because I was training westside style so regular DLs weren't part of the program, but I would wager my DL would be anywhere from 450-475, but that's just a guess on my part. Come monday when school starts and I get back to a full service gym, I'll probably test my numbers on the big three and see where I'm at.
    i'm wagering your deadlift is stronger than that. if not now, it will climb fast. that's a crazy GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    Dorian Yates posted this back workout in FLEX this month... what do you think?

    Close grip pulldowns 2 sets
    Chins 2 sets
    Barbell/t-bar Rows 2 sets
    seated pully rows 2 sets
    hypers 2-3 sets


    He also does 1-2 sets of warmups before each lift.
    Sound good but I like to do more than two sets per exercise. So I would cut back an exercise or would add another and do what beelz does 3 one week and 3 the next. Just something about doing two sets of each exercise I don't like JMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    i'm wagering your deadlift is stronger than that. if not now, it will climb fast. that's a crazy GM.
    I hope so. That was done in either march or april, then I got so busy with school and work that my gym time took a hit. I hope to work up to that again, but I plan to add more deadlifts into my workouts when school starts. Hopefully I maintained at least a portion of my strength, but I'll see where I'm at monday.
  

  
 

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