Matt's 15 Rules of Weight-training...(i.e. What I believe about training)

Magickk · 06-22-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

I do like it yes.

As far as leg extensions, its an isolation exercise so the need to go heavy isn't present. The reps should be slow and controlled therby reducing the weight needed. I never understood people doing heavy leg extensions.

Because the more weight you have on, the bigger / stronger you are (look)!!! j/k

StuckeyBoss · 06-22-2005, 11:58 AM

Matt, I enjoyed reading your post. I believe the majority of it. I tried the one bodypart a day, once a week. My strength and weight stagnated for a long time. I got back to doing routines hitting the muscle at least twice a week and the gains came again. I personally like Titan Training and Size Surge 2.
I too believe in compound movements being the majority of the lifts when starting out by people who say they want to gain size quickly. That is the way to do it....squats, deadlifts, bench press, shoulder press, etc. The squats though, I only go to parallel. I have read a study where they did an EMG on people squatting and going all the way to the bottom showed more stress on the glutes and hamstrings and less on the quads. The EMG showed the best results on the quads when a person goes parallel.
But overall, I have to agree with what you are saying. So true. I read muscle magazines mainly for pro updates, contest information, dieting tips, new supplements, etc. but I never follow any of the routines.
Thats about it for now, but I wanted to say it was a good read.

**Yukon Cornelius** · 06-22-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Magickk

Because the more weight you have on, the bigger / stronger you are (look)!!! j/k

Yeah, myths never want to seem to die. What I love is when people say they can see a difference between the two in a short peroid of time when every condition and variable is constatnly changing. Another exmaple of Joe Blow getting HYOOGE by lifting "dem heavy weights". It goes both ways as well.

Muscles adapt but the thing people don't understand is that even the slightest of changes remedies this. It could be as easy is change your rep range or tempo but the sport is based on results seen over years and years of work. Everyone needs that 6 month epiphany to have them feel tehy are doing something different that is really effecting their overall goals.

In reality, the actualy exercise is only a very SMALL part of the problem. Nutrition is MUCH more imporant by a long shot than changing my squat to a leg extension or trianing once vs. two times per week. Those changes are so small and miniscule. Any beginner can blow up fairly fast with any type of training.

I told a client of mine today who has been competing naturally for 17 years that he better do his heavy squats. We both had a chuckle...(and NOT THE CANDY!

)

**Beowulf** · 06-22-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt ALRI
....However, your responses seemed so totally negative towards me, and I'm not sure why?....

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I noticed Bobo didn't hop in here and say anything about this, so I'll do it for him

I can guarantee it's nothing personal toward "you". Stick around and you'll see it's common...he just doesn't sugar-coat his debates (which can get frustrating when you're on the other end at times

).

I think I've only seen one thread where he seemed to be "irritated -> mad", this on the other hand is normal. You'll get used to it

Any way you look at it, and no matter what opinion you develop of him, the fact is he's still full of a lot of good information and it's hard to argue with him

If you guys think his debating style is not sugar-coated you should see how he reprimands his clients when they **** up on their plan.

His approach certainly works, both in training and in reprimanding

**Yukon Cornelius** · 06-22-2005, 12:47 PM

Yes but the payoff is great. The best feeling in the world is getting someone to their goals. When someone wins a contest or gets in the best shape of their life or how our own LakemountD made the FSU football team as a walk-on. **** like that puts a HYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGE smile on my face.

**Beowulf** · 06-22-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

Yes but the payoff is great. The best feeling in the world is getting someone to their goals. When someone wins a contest or gets in the best shape of their life or how our own LakemountD made the FSU football team as a walk-on. **** like that puts a HYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGE smile on my face.

I should have some nice updated pics for you tonight

Matt ALRI · 06-22-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StuckeyBoss

The squats though, I only go to parallel. I have read a study where they did an EMG on people squatting and going all the way to the bottom showed more stress on the glutes and hamstrings and less on the quads. The EMG showed the best results on the quads when a person goes parallel.

What's wrong with putting some stress on the glutes and hamstrings? Isn't the idea of a compound movement to work as many muscles as possible?

Also, have you ever seen olympic lifters' quads? There huge.

Matt

Matt ALRI · 06-22-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

I told a client of mine today who has been competing naturally for 17 years that he better do his heavy squats. We both had a chuckle...(and NOT THE CANDY!

)

Why? Because you don't believe in heavy squats? Do most of your clients not do them?

Matt

Magickk · 06-22-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt ALRI

Also, have you ever seen olympic lifters' quads? There huge.

Matt

They're Olympic lifters, what do you expect?!

**Yukon Cornelius** · 06-22-2005, 01:10 PM

Not at all. Its just the fact that people who tihnk you NEED heavy squats are mistaken. I have guys with extremely developed legs that don't ever go below 10 reps on a squat and they have been doing this for 15+ years.

All my clients do squats though unless they have discomfort due to injuries.

**Yukon Cornelius** · 06-22-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt ALRI

What's wrong with putting some stress on the glutes and hamstrings? Isn't the idea of a compound movement to work as many muscles as possible?

Also, have you ever seen olympic lifters' quads? There huge.

Matt

He isn't saying there is anything wrong with it just point out that different muscle groups are stressed due to shifting weight (which is commonly taught in Exercise and Sports programs). THis also changes with body structure as there is a point of diminishing returns. Some people can easily create a a stimulus for all the muscle groups by simply going to parallel.

Magickk · 06-22-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

He isn't saying there is anything wrong with it just point out that different muscle groups are stressed due to shifting weight (which is commonly taught in Exercise and Sports programs). THis also changes with body structure as there is a point of diminishing returns. Some people can easily create a a stimulus for all the muscle groups by simply going to parallel.

Think this has anything to do with flexibility?

I know I'm extremely UNflexible, and when I'm at 90 degrees on squats I really feel the burn. I don't feel it behooves me to go any lower...

natedogg · 06-22-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by StuckeyBoss

I got back to doing routines hitting the muscle at least twice a week and the gains came again. I personally like Titan Training and Size Surge 2.
I read muscle magazines mainly for pro updates, contest information, dieting tips, new supplements, etc. but I never follow any of the routines.

What? I've tried the Size Surge programs. They're written by Ironmag BTW. Anyways, SS is just as bad as the routines you seen in the Muscle Rags. Me and my training partner at the time overtrained within 5-6 weeks. This happened twice. Then I learned my lesson. Way too many sets/reps, way too many exercises and just plain too much working out time.

natedogg · 06-22-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Magickk

Think this has anything to do with flexibility?

I know I'm extremely UNflexible, and when I'm at 90 degrees on squats I really feel the burn. I don't feel it behooves me to go any lower...

Stretching is your friend.

Magickk · 06-22-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by natedogg

Stretching is your friend.

Yeah everyone seems to promote it, but I've never been flexible... I stretched and stretched for football, and my coach still called me "Mr. Flexibility" (sarcastically). No matter how much I stretch, I never seem to get any more limber...

natedogg · 06-22-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Magickk

Yeah everyone seems to promote it, but I've never been flexible... I stretched and stretched for football, and my coach still called me "Mr. Flexibility" (sarcastically). No matter how much I stretch, I never seem to get any more limber...

I know Bobo dislikes him, but DC has some good stretching techniques that have increased my flexibility a whole lot.

Stretching w/Pics

Matt ALRI · 06-22-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Magickk

when I'm at 90 degrees on squats I really feel the burn.

Don't tell me you just said that. LOL

Matt