Full Body 3 day splits VS 5 day Trad. BB split
- 06-10-2005, 10:04 PM
Full Body 3 day splits VS 5 day Trad. BB split
I wanted to continue the thread which was started on the anabolics forum.
Originally Posted by Scottyo
Fridays I try to up the weight by 5-10lbs on the squats and bench on the last set. If I hit it, it becomes the new weight for Monday. Wed. is 10-20% less of Monday's weight and then Friday I try to increase again. If I don't hit the higher weight I repeat the week with the previous weight.
So basically I go to failure often on the last set Monday and always on Fridays.
- 06-11-2005, 12:20 AM
Are you doing the "standard" 5x5?
mon all sets same weight, wed all sets same weight but reduced 20% from mon, fri working up to max weight set.
I was thinking of giving this a go, I assume this is what you are doing?
06-11-2005, 09:53 AM
Yes, that's the split I'm doing. I do abs 5x10 on Mon. and hammer curls for the biceps on friday 3x5Originally Posted by Enigma76
It's a great program. I run it for 4-6 weeks then switch to 3x3 for 2-3 weeks and then rest for 5-7 days then start the 5x5 again. The gains have been great with no overtraining.
06-11-2005, 10:55 PM
5x5 is a good introductory program for developing both strength and size at the same time. DC style training is very similar, and works equally well. Eventually I think WSB style routines are the way to go for anyone who wants to continue to get stronger, and isn't as concerned about how big/symmetrical they are.
06-11-2005, 11:50 PM
I tried westside for several months a while back and didn't get that great results. I've since heard that it is a bit better for more advanced PLers, which I am def. not.Originally Posted by exnihilo
I started getting into PLing after realizing I had the "all show and no go". Body looked great but weights weren't high enough for what the frame looked like. I've found PLing is a whole different animal than BBing. I'm totally hooked though and always look forward to the 3x3 section after the 5x5.
I'll give the Russian Bench routine another go in a few months. In that one you work the chest 3x per week with both flat and incline as well as supporting exercises. My chest grew very nicely on that as well but the strength increase was the main goal and it boosted my flat by 15 lbs in a month and my incline by 20lbs. And that was without taking anything other than protein and fish oil.
06-12-2005, 06:32 AM
Westside is a very complicated system, it's really meant to be applied by someone with coaching experience. People think it's just about the DE and ME days, and that's not the case... Those are just part of the overall system - the real key to westside is constantly focusing on your weak points and bringing them up, and that requires being able to figure out what your weak points are and knowing what exercises to do in order to improve them.
06-12-2005, 08:53 AM
06-12-2005, 12:24 PM
06-12-2005, 12:43 PM
I wouldn't squat every day, I wouldn't bench every day (rotate flat incline and military press) and I wouldn't deadlift and squat on the same day.
Also, I'd up the reps on wednesday, 8-10ish. Personally I think DC's routine is a slight bit better set up than this however.
06-12-2005, 02:05 PM
can you use this program for one lagging mucle group only, for example the chest. and train rest of the body in a narmal routine!
06-12-2005, 04:39 PM
There have been times when I've just deadlifted on Wednesdays when I don't feel 100% so I understand what your saying. The other times I decrease the weights on Wednesday by 20% of Mondays numbers but keep it at 5x5, so I imagine this would be using around the 8-10 RM weight ( what you're rec. I think) but only doing it for 5.Originally Posted by exnihilo
As for DC, I thought that was more of a BBing routine, i.e. higher reps ect. I do incorperate his stretches into my 5x5. They hurt so good
06-16-2005, 01:47 PM
Starting this 5x5 layout using your recommendations (actually makes much more sense this way, I was already going to just sub in deads for squats on wed).Originally Posted by exnihilo
All 5x5 and same weight otherwise noted.
Mon: Squat, Incline DB Bench, BB Row, Dips (doing BW as I weigh plenty for this, doing only 3 sets of 8).
Wed: Deadlift, DB Military Press, Pullup, Preachers (again, 3 sets of 8 at a moderate weight).
Fri: Squat (working up to a max weight 5 rep set), Flat BB Bench, BB Row, Dips (and again, 3x8 at BW).
I just threw in preachers on wed as an accessory for bicepts, however I am uncertain if there is another, better exercise I can do similar to how dips work more than just tris.
06-16-2005, 03:34 PM
Do you have a link or detailed explanation of your workouts while you were doing this?Originally Posted by AcuDoc
06-16-2005, 06:13 PM
Here is FI's Russian Bench RoutineOriginally Posted by Magickk
I sub. High pulls and BB Rows for Powercleans since at the time I didn't know how to do them properly. They guys at FI rec. these exercises instead of the powercleans.
06-16-2005, 06:21 PM
I like hammer curls instead of preachers but that's just my preference. I also only do 1-2 sets of them per week since they're getting plenty of work on the other days.Originally Posted by Enigma76
All those dips in addition to the presses might be a bit hard on the triceps. If it was me I'd put 1-2x 5 Bi work on wed. and 1-2 sets of Tri work, if any, on Fri. Personally I work the abs Mon and Fri. with the Bi set on Wed.
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