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    Yeah but at the top of the movement with DB's, even touching them together, has more of a downward force than a squeezing together force. That's why I say cables FTW since there is dominant pec force throughout the entire movement.

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    I'm not at all surprised this turned into a PL vs BB pissing match of sorts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Yeah but at the top of the movement with DB's, even touching them together, has more of a downward force than a squeezing together force. That's why I say cables FTW since there is dominant pec force throughout the entire movement.
    im in on this too. no science backing me whatsoever. but i just feel like cables are dominant in pec contraction. decline chest press machine too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    I'm not at all surprised this turned into a PL vs BB pissing match of sorts.
    It shouldn't be a competition, though. While there were a lot of questions asked, I think most of them are about bodybuilding. I think our points about good form on the bench have been made, but basically if he wants to not touch the flat bench press ever again that's his prerogative and he could definitely make the most gains he'd ever make using things other than flat bench press. Hell, flat bench press isn't even in most of the programs that people using DC training use, including Olympian 212's runner-up Dave Henry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    It shouldn't be a competition, though. While there were a lot of questions asked, I think most of them are about bodybuilding. I think our points about good form on the bench have been made, but basically if he wants to not touch the flat bench press ever again that's his prerogative and he could definitely make the most gains he'd ever make using things other than flat bench press. Hell, flat bench press isn't even in most of the programs that people using DC training use, including Olympian 212's runner-up Dave Henry.
    Yeah Dante is absolutely anti-flat bench.

    My thoughts on flat bench fall on both sides; as a PL I love it, but not because it shows of bad ass chest strength. For us, it's a TEST of functionality, and multiple system strength. I don't use flat bench to get a stronger chest, either.

    Weighted Dips, incline DB FTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    I'm not at all surprised this turned into a PL vs BB pissing match of sorts.

    i don't know if it's a pissing match....its more about what the OP is interested in which would help make the answers easier

    it depends on if he likes powerlifting then the form being discussed and bench press are more important....if it's bodybuilding, then that form and flat bench aren't as useful and theres better options out there for size and shape...like u stated dips, dorian yates loved decline movements as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post

    Best For Overall Chest Mass: Dumbbell Bench PressRecent research from Las Vegas based StrengthPro Inc., headed by David Sandler, MS, CSCS, showed that the dumbbell bench press involves the front delts far less than the barbell bench press, since the arms come out to the sides more with dumbbells. Less delt involvement means more pec stimulation, which is exactly what you want for maximal chest development.
    This I agree with completely. Builds plenty of mass on the chest with less delt involvement. Which means less chance of having to need surgery to repair a tear of the Labrum or Rotator Cuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Saying that "you shouldn't learn to bench from Dave Tate because he hurt his shoulders" is like saying you shouldn't learn to pitch a baseball from Roy Halladay because he is having shoulder surgery, you shouldn't learn to be a running back from Adrian Peterson because he got an ACL injury, etc.
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    I have found that decline bench has been way better on my shoulders than flat. The way I can set my back on the bench feels better. I'm trying to move this into flat but to no avail
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    some people might ding flat bench
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    Quote Originally Posted by mariscal View Post
    some people might ding flat bench
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerdb2 View Post
    The bench press is still an effective exercise for developing the chest, anterior deltas and triceps. Is it right for everyone? Not those with shoulder issues, no.
    With my shoulder issues , i prefer to use the Smith machine, and it works well, much to the chagrin of my gym broscience PhDs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    With my shoulder issues , i prefer to use the Smith machine, and it works well, much to the chagrin of my gym broscience PhDs
    Ah man. I feel like I was just trapped into advocating the smith machine! What kind of shoulder issues are you dealing with because I can't say I am a proponent of the unnatural movement patterns that the smith machine forces
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    With my shoulder issues , i prefer to use the Smith machine, and it works well, much to the chagrin of my gym broscience PhDs
    using the smith machine and thinking its better is broscience. even thinking that shows you have a lot of education you need to get things right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerdb2 View Post
    Ah man. I feel like I was just trapped into advocating the smith machine! What kind of shoulder issues are you dealing with because I can't say I am a proponent of the unnatural movement patterns that the smith machine forces
    It was a joke pal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post
    using the smith machine and thinking its better is broscience. even thinking that shows you have a lot of education you need to get things right.


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    If you must really know my .02, I am not a fan of the Flat BB press, i prefer the DB to it, gives me much better results.

    Also some folks like my brother in law, have shoulder issues which kind of makes it difficult for them to lift the BB in the first place, so they may choose a different option.

    I am not an advocate of either, rather indifferent, but dissing one for piping up the other, is borderline broscience because it assumes one size fits all. You can never with all your degrees and education etc predict what sort of shoulder issues anyone who uses DB or Smith or BB actually has. Its about knowing what works for you.

    Overall I am aware that BB is better, and Smith works better for isolation work (iirc Coop said this)
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    the best way to get better at the flat bench is to do flat bench.
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