Able825
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I understand. Just sometimes it is easier to believe someone that practices what they preach. Out of shape trainers seem like hypocrites.Perhaps someone is just doing it for the job and paycheck. If they have the knowledge, work well with people, and are helping others be healthier then what does it matter how they look? I agree that I'd rather have a in shape trainer but does it really matter?
So true. So many docs tell their patients not to smoke or to quit and then you see them light up on their break.I guess its no different than having an unhealthy doctor, or a sober bartender.
I agree. Everyone has to make a buck somehow. If they know what they're doin then **** itI understand. Just sometimes it is easier to believe someone that practices what they preach. Fat trainers seem like hypocrites.
IMHO so much more fun & rewarding.I am eager to advance my career and work solely with athletes.
You summed it up pretty accurately.Its funny you know, having played a sport in college I looked up to our strength and conditioning guys a great deal and having the opportunity is surreal.
I have already begun to get my feet wet with my younger brother and our local high schools baseball team. Not only do these kids really want to get better they can actually perform the movements required to take steps in the right direction. And also at their age I'm their buddy not their personal shrink. As I listen to way too much bs as a CPT
I've seen that beforeReminds me of the fat trainer at my gym that trains two very good looking Bengals cheerleaders.
The worst part is he has all of his clients doing the same routine. Irregardless of their age, gender, or fitness level. Smh.
What if they put in 10-12 hours per day, then head home to a family or another job to support a family?your job as a trainer is to sell "fitness" to people.
if that trainer isn't in shape themselves, it's like they don't even buy into the very product they themselves are selling to others.
there are only 3 reasons why a trainer could be out of shape.
1. they lack the knowledge to get in and stay in shape.
2. they lack motivation.
3. they are injured or have a medical condition.
only #3 is an acceptable option for someone who's profession is fixing others #1 and #2.
but i also understand the argument that a good coach doesn't necessarily need to play the sport.
just look at professional sports coaches that are some of the most unfit individuals, but they are amazing motivators and can get the athletes they train into amazing shape.
Only if they have a really big ass, indicating they're possibly a powerlifter.Thoughts?
lol ^Only if they have a really big ass, indicating they're possibly a powerlifter.
oh definately. but then again, the masses are very ridiculously ignorant when it comes to fitnessFrom a marketing standpoint, I imagine the in shape trainer is going to get more clients and given more respect as a trainer whether or not he deserves it.
thats just ignorance again. im gonnna go and guess you got a lot of female votesI asked people on my PT Facebook page whether they would prefer to be trained by someone who looked good but didn't necessarily have any knowledge or something who was extremely knowledgeable but had a poor physique.
The overwhelming majority went with the former. Only three people went with the latter, one being JudoJosh and another being Celorza.
I was surprised how few people cared about knowledge, most implied they need to be inspired to train and this came from someone with an admirable physique.
:sly:I asked people on my PT Facebook page whether they would prefer to be trained by someone who looked good but didn't necessarily have any knowledge or something who was extremely knowledgeable but had a poor physique.
The overwhelming majority went with the former. Only three people went with the latter, one being JudoJosh and another being Celorza.
I was surprised how few people cared about knowledge, most implied they need to be inspired to train and this came from someone with an admirable physique.
In my opinion the third option should be a personal trainer with training knowledge and the demonstrable ability to achieve client training goals, and I believe this is where the argument sits. Lead from the front.I asked people on my PT Facebook page whether they would prefer to be trained by someone who looked good but didn't necessarily have any knowledge or something who was extremely knowledgeable but had a poor physique.
The overwhelming majority went with the former. Only three people went with the latter, one being JudoJosh and another being Celorza.
I was surprised how few people cared about knowledge, most implied they need to be inspired to train and this came from someone with an admirable physique.
It was a forced black and white scenario, nobody could use the word 'depends'.In my opinion the third option should be a personal trainer with training knowledge and the demonstrable ability to achieve client training goals, and I believe this is where the argument sits. Lead from the front.
Not dogging you but in the hypothetical scenario, I would have a hard time believing someone with an amazing physique didn't have any training knowledge anyways.
I think a lot of people assumed this, yes.In my opinion the third option should be a personal trainer with training knowledge and the demonstrable ability to achieve client training goals, and I believe this is where the argument sits. Lead from the front.
Not dogging you but in the hypothetical scenario, I would have a hard time believing someone with an amazing physique didn't have any training knowledge anyways.
I think the psychology of hiring a trainer to get "beach ready" though tells people that the in shape trainer has enough knowledge to get them in the shape they want, and getting in shape is why people hire trainers. Maybe a fat dude who read a book can explain technical theories better than the particular in shape guy in question but the in shape guy can get in shape and demonstrate it, even if he can't necessarily explain all the bio-mechanics of a proper squat in essay detail with ten referenced sources. He can step in to a squat rack, perform a proper squat and teach you how to do it though.I think a lot of people assumed this, yes.
Even though in the real world we all know someone can be in great shape and have terrible knowledge.
Yes, it was purely hypothetical.I think the psychology of hiring a trainer to get "beach ready" though tells people that the in shape trainer has enough knowledge to get them in the shape they want, and getting in shape is why people hire trainers. Maybe a fat dude who read a book can explain technical theories better than the particular in shape guy in question but the in shape guy can get in shape and demonstrate it, even if he can't necessarily explain all the bio-mechanics of a proper squat in essay detail with ten referenced sources. He can step in to a squat rack, perform a proper squat and teach you how to do it though.
The essence of a trainer is a salesman whose product is technically himself. A nutritionist might know all about diet manipulation but will have a hell of a time selling moldy apples. Fat trainers are moldy apples in my view.
PL performance, sport specific training et cetera may be viewed differently but then you are hiring a coach, not a "body by_____".
Maybe I'm mis-reading your example though. How ignorant is this in shape guy and how did he get in shape? Or is it just a topical curiosity to gauge surface level response?
I think the motivation factor is just it though. Virtually anybody in this day and age can seek out tried and true programs from legitimate coaches with fantastic reputations and do them, with maybe a little technical help initially on a few lifts. But they don't.Yes, it was purely hypothetical.
Essentially someone in the gym approached me and said how nice it was to see a PT who was in great shape as so many look like they don't train. I asked him if he would be more likely to pay a PT who had great knowledge but a terrible physique or someone who looks great but doesn't necessarily have any qualifications and he said the latter.
I found people's responses really interesting because it reveals psychology. For example many people commented that a PT has to motivate them and someone with a poor physique wouldn't do that. There was also an assumption that if someone was in great shape they probably have a degree of hands on knowledge even if they have no qualifications.
Of course, this isn't actually true in a lot of cases. There are guys who look great and their programme design or nutritional advice is terrible.
Interestingly, the three guys who all said science first were people who were very science minded themselves i.e. appreciate the validity of data to support their theory whereas most others seemed to assume a great physique would have some implied knowledge in itself.
Here is the post if you are interested. I hope your Facebook arranges the comments in chronological order otherwise some of the replies won't make sense.
https://www.facebook.com/bencarpenterpersonaltraining/posts/501371999911055
I see this at LA all the time and I agree. I will say if it is an older guy who looks like they know what they are talking about I wouldn't care though.I hate to say it, but when I see an out of shape personal trainer making some middle aged fat guy crab walk all over the gym I face palm. And, while I understand the argument that an out of shaper personal trainer might still have great knowledge, as a paying customer, you've sure to take quite the leap of faith if your trainer cannot practice what they preach.
best line of the entire thread!-------^^when I see an out of shape personal trainer making some middle aged fat guy crab walk all over the gym I face palm.