Is it ok for personal trainers to be fat?

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  1. I find it humorous that people equate aesthetics to knowledge and/or ability in terms of training and educating.

    Pretty narrow worldview if your presupposition is that a trainer's effectiveness is only related to their current body composition.
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    Not the most aesthetic physique. Would you let this guy train you? I sure as hell would.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Able825 View Post
    your job as a trainer is to sell "fitness" to people.

    if that trainer isn't in shape themselves, it's like they don't even buy into the very product they themselves are selling to others.

    there are only 3 reasons why a trainer could be out of shape.
    1. they lack the knowledge to get in and stay in shape.
    2. they lack motivation.
    3. they are injured or have a medical condition.

    only #3 is an acceptable option for someone who's profession is fixing others #1 and #2.

    but i also understand the argument that a good coach doesn't necessarily need to play the sport.
    just look at professional sports coaches that are some of the most unfit individuals, but they are amazing motivators and can get the athletes they train into amazing shape.
    What if they put in 10-12 hours per day, then head home to a family or another job to support a family?

    Check this guy out on the right:

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    Not exactly in tip-top shape but one of the most brilliant minds in the field of strength and conditioning.

    I have seen more bad trainers that are ripped than bad trainers who are overweight.

    But yes, looking the part does help.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Able825 View Post
    Thoughts?
    Only if they have a really big ass, indicating they're possibly a powerlifter.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    Only if they have a really big ass, indicating they're possibly a powerlifter.
    lol ^

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  6. But then who was pregnant?
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  7. From a marketing standpoint, I imagine the in shape trainer is going to get more clients and given more respect as a trainer whether or not he deserves it.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by toddgranit View Post
    From a marketing standpoint, I imagine the in shape trainer is going to get more clients and given more respect as a trainer whether or not he deserves it.
    oh definately. but then again, the masses are very ridiculously ignorant when it comes to fitness

  9. My initial thought is "No, absoultely not". But, I know there are a lot of trainers out there who may be overweight, but they are very educated and have a ton of experience. From what I have seen, some personal trainers (usually the best ones) have a lot of clients that book up their schedule. Since they are so busy, their training, nutrition, sleep etc. all go down hill. This made me think of the overweight doctors who tell us all to be healthy haha

  10. Maybe if they're training powerlifters.

  11. Didn't read thread but only way a PT could be fat is if he/she is loosing weight.... If there happy being 250 and female or short, no way. The only people I could see train ing with them would be fat people but even then I would want to look like my trainer... So I would want them to be in shape, not getting into shape.

    When I used to PT there where 2 overweight girls that where PT and I never understood how or why they picked that as a profession. Maybe cuz if you get a **** cert you only need to read the book and not have any real life experience with workin out. < in that case I wouldn't want you to be training me any way....

    Sorry kinda on a rant there...

  12. I asked people on my PT Facebook page whether they would prefer to be trained by someone who looked good but didn't necessarily have any knowledge or something who was extremely knowledgeable but had a poor physique.

    The overwhelming majority went with the former. Only three people went with the latter, one being JudoJosh and another being Celorza.

    I was surprised how few people cared about knowledge, most implied they need to be inspired to train and this came from someone with an admirable physique.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I asked people on my PT Facebook page whether they would prefer to be trained by someone who looked good but didn't necessarily have any knowledge or something who was extremely knowledgeable but had a poor physique.

    The overwhelming majority went with the former. Only three people went with the latter, one being JudoJosh and another being Celorza.

    I was surprised how few people cared about knowledge, most implied they need to be inspired to train and this came from someone with an admirable physique.
    thats just ignorance again. im gonnna go and guess you got a lot of female votes

    should of followed up qith "would you rather have a nice sports car with **** gas milage or a nice crossover or sedan with great gas milage?"

  14. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I asked people on my PT Facebook page whether they would prefer to be trained by someone who looked good but didn't necessarily have any knowledge or something who was extremely knowledgeable but had a poor physique.

    The overwhelming majority went with the former. Only three people went with the latter, one being JudoJosh and another being Celorza.

    I was surprised how few people cared about knowledge, most implied they need to be inspired to train and this came from someone with an admirable physique.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I asked people on my PT Facebook page whether they would prefer to be trained by someone who looked good but didn't necessarily have any knowledge or something who was extremely knowledgeable but had a poor physique.

    The overwhelming majority went with the former. Only three people went with the latter, one being JudoJosh and another being Celorza.

    I was surprised how few people cared about knowledge, most implied they need to be inspired to train and this came from someone with an admirable physique.
    In my opinion the third option should be a personal trainer with training knowledge and the demonstrable ability to achieve client training goals, and I believe this is where the argument sits. Lead from the front.

    Not dogging you but in the hypothetical scenario, I would have a hard time believing someone with an amazing physique didn't have any training knowledge anyways.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    In my opinion the third option should be a personal trainer with training knowledge and the demonstrable ability to achieve client training goals, and I believe this is where the argument sits. Lead from the front.

    Not dogging you but in the hypothetical scenario, I would have a hard time believing someone with an amazing physique didn't have any training knowledge anyways.
    It was a forced black and white scenario, nobody could use the word 'depends'.

    I.e. if you had to pick a trainer who was in great shape but no formal qualifications or someone who was very highly qualified who was in terrible shape who would you pick.

    Most picked the first. Most were male views as well. It surprised me but was certainly interesting.

    Keep in mind this was for one on one personal training. I assume if it was for someone to design them programmes or simple consultations it may be a different answer.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    In my opinion the third option should be a personal trainer with training knowledge and the demonstrable ability to achieve client training goals, and I believe this is where the argument sits. Lead from the front.

    Not dogging you but in the hypothetical scenario, I would have a hard time believing someone with an amazing physique didn't have any training knowledge anyways.
    I think a lot of people assumed this, yes.

    Even though in the real world we all know someone can be in great shape and have terrible knowledge.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I think a lot of people assumed this, yes.

    Even though in the real world we all know someone can be in great shape and have terrible knowledge.
    I think the psychology of hiring a trainer to get "beach ready" though tells people that the in shape trainer has enough knowledge to get them in the shape they want, and getting in shape is why people hire trainers. Maybe a fat dude who read a book can explain technical theories better than the particular in shape guy in question but the in shape guy can get in shape and demonstrate it, even if he can't necessarily explain all the bio-mechanics of a proper squat in essay detail with ten referenced sources. He can step in to a squat rack, perform a proper squat and teach you how to do it though.

    The essence of a trainer is a salesman whose product is technically himself. A nutritionist might know all about diet manipulation but will have a hell of a time selling moldy apples. Fat trainers are moldy apples in my view.

    PL performance, sport specific training et cetera may be viewed differently but then you are hiring a coach, not a "body by_____".

    Maybe I'm mis-reading your example though. How ignorant is this in shape guy and how did he get in shape? Or is it just a topical curiosity to gauge surface level response?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    I think the psychology of hiring a trainer to get "beach ready" though tells people that the in shape trainer has enough knowledge to get them in the shape they want, and getting in shape is why people hire trainers. Maybe a fat dude who read a book can explain technical theories better than the particular in shape guy in question but the in shape guy can get in shape and demonstrate it, even if he can't necessarily explain all the bio-mechanics of a proper squat in essay detail with ten referenced sources. He can step in to a squat rack, perform a proper squat and teach you how to do it though.

    The essence of a trainer is a salesman whose product is technically himself. A nutritionist might know all about diet manipulation but will have a hell of a time selling moldy apples. Fat trainers are moldy apples in my view.

    PL performance, sport specific training et cetera may be viewed differently but then you are hiring a coach, not a "body by_____".

    Maybe I'm mis-reading your example though. How ignorant is this in shape guy and how did he get in shape? Or is it just a topical curiosity to gauge surface level response?
    Yes, it was purely hypothetical.

    Essentially someone in the gym approached me and said how nice it was to see a PT who was in great shape as so many look like they don't train. I asked him if he would be more likely to pay a PT who had great knowledge but a terrible physique or someone who looks great but doesn't necessarily have any qualifications and he said the latter.

    I found people's responses really interesting because it reveals psychology. For example many people commented that a PT has to motivate them and someone with a poor physique wouldn't do that. There was also an assumption that if someone was in great shape they probably have a degree of hands on knowledge even if they have no qualifications.

    Of course, this isn't actually true in a lot of cases. There are guys who look great and their programme design or nutritional advice is terrible.

    Interestingly, the three guys who all said science first were people who were very science minded themselves i.e. appreciate the validity of data to support their theory whereas most others seemed to assume a great physique would have some implied knowledge in itself.

    Here is the post if you are interested. I hope your Facebook arranges the comments in chronological order otherwise some of the replies won't make sense.
    https://www.facebook.com/bencarpente...01371999911055
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  20. first impressions are important.
    it is natural to think "if they can't even get in shape themselves, how can they get me in shape".
    i know a lot of you say, you would read their resume first then decide.
    but in real life, we subconsciously make judgments/decisions within seconds of seeing someone........whether you want to or not.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Yes, it was purely hypothetical.

    Essentially someone in the gym approached me and said how nice it was to see a PT who was in great shape as so many look like they don't train. I asked him if he would be more likely to pay a PT who had great knowledge but a terrible physique or someone who looks great but doesn't necessarily have any qualifications and he said the latter.

    I found people's responses really interesting because it reveals psychology. For example many people commented that a PT has to motivate them and someone with a poor physique wouldn't do that. There was also an assumption that if someone was in great shape they probably have a degree of hands on knowledge even if they have no qualifications.

    Of course, this isn't actually true in a lot of cases. There are guys who look great and their programme design or nutritional advice is terrible.

    Interestingly, the three guys who all said science first were people who were very science minded themselves i.e. appreciate the validity of data to support their theory whereas most others seemed to assume a great physique would have some implied knowledge in itself.

    Here is the post if you are interested. I hope your Facebook arranges the comments in chronological order otherwise some of the replies won't make sense.
    https://www.facebook.com/bencarpente...01371999911055
    I think the motivation factor is just it though. Virtually anybody in this day and age can seek out tried and true programs from legitimate coaches with fantastic reputations and do them, with maybe a little technical help initially on a few lifts. But they don't.

    PTs have to be able to take a leadership role and demonstrate to clients they can do what their clients want. I suppose a client testimonial sheet with before and after photos could help a fat guy out but he will still be a moldy apple with a slight shine psychologically. I'm in sales of another kind myself and find psychology interesting as well, I'll have to check the FB responses.

    My thoughts are that, in your hypothetical scenario, knowledge trumps the genetically blessed idiot.

    In a real world application though, I don't see too many people who don't know their way around the kitchen and weight room with respectable physiques. Every now and then there is a genetic freak with a born six pack and striated shoulders but even playing D1 college football, surrounded by natural athletes and physical specimens, muscle and strength required concentrated effort along with agility, experience and all the rest. It makes it hard for me to really look at a black and white scenario.

    In another light, say I bought a book outlining a beach body strategy and later discovered the author was an obese man with a library of exercise books, articles and studies. I would appreciate the info for what it is but would absolutely feel conned by a fraud. If I were in the market for a trainer, I'd find one that preaches truth AND practices it, though I know this is against the rules.

    Anyways, long winded response from me as usual but I'll be checking your link out. Thanks for the discussion!

  22. lol dude that post was a lot more in depth than you described. i thought most answers were point blank: fuk fat trainers

    and to texasmethod.i think where you two difffer is your ideas of "knowing their way around the gym." no doubt the in shape guy knows how to exercise, otherwise he wouldnt be in shape. but ive seen far too many PT's in great shape that dont squat or teach partial squats. or dont bench and do dumbell flys, or even worse, teach flat back benching. in my mind, that equates to bad training because im into strength training. in the real world tho, majority of people dont wanna squat because its shunned for knee and back issues, and strong arches = broken back. most people would rather chest press a machine or do leg extensions lol

    hope i helped you two a ittle

    btw, those were examples of the general population's thoughts on those exercises. squats armt bad for knee/back and strong arch is healthy.

  23. I hate to say it, but when I see an out of shape personal trainer making some middle aged fat guy crab walk all over the gym I face palm. And, while I understand the argument that an out of shaper personal trainer might still have great knowledge, as a paying customer, you've sure to take quite the leap of faith if your trainer cannot practice what they preach.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by trn450
    I hate to say it, but when I see an out of shape personal trainer making some middle aged fat guy crab walk all over the gym I face palm. And, while I understand the argument that an out of shaper personal trainer might still have great knowledge, as a paying customer, you've sure to take quite the leap of faith if your trainer cannot practice what they preach.
    I see this at LA all the time and I agree. I will say if it is an older guy who looks like they know what they are talking about I wouldn't care though.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    when I see an out of shape personal trainer making some middle aged fat guy crab walk all over the gym I face palm.
    best line of the entire thread!-------^^
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