I NEED A NEW ROUTINE!!!!!

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    I NEED A NEW ROUTINE!!!!!


    I have been lifting for about 5 year now and I am looking for a mass building routine. I am looking for something a little lest conventional. for example here is my workout...

    Sat: Chest and Tris (medium weight) chest 4 exercises at sets of 5, tri 4 exercises at sets of 4
    Sun: Back and Bi's (medium weight) back 4 excercises at sets of 5, bi 4 exercises at sets of 4
    Mon: Legs (heavy) 4 exercises at sets of 5
    Tues: Chest and posterior shoulders (heavy) chest 4 excercises at sets of 6, post 3 excercise at 4
    Wed arms (heavy) 3 exercises at sets of 6 for both
    (back day includes heavy partial dealifts and leg day includes heavy swats)

    I want to know where I can get some info on some less conventional routines as I am not growing off this one anymore. I saw something about squating for sets of 20 (swat and milk thread). I know this is old school and probably conventional to some. Basically I am just looking for a new routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
    I have been lifting for about 5 year now and I am looking for a mass building routine. I am looking for something a little lest conventional. for example here is my workout...

    Sat: Chest and Tris (medium weight) chest 4 exercises at sets of 5, tri 4 exercises at sets of 4
    Sun: Back and Bi's (medium weight) back 4 excercises at sets of 5, bi 4 exercises at sets of 4
    Mon: Legs (heavy) 4 exercises at sets of 5
    Tues: Chest and posterior shoulders (heavy) chest 4 excercises at sets of 6, post 3 excercise at 4
    Wed arms (heavy) 3 exercises at sets of 6 for both
    (back day includes heavy partial dealifts and leg day includes heavy swats)

    I want to know where I can get some info on some less conventional routines as I am not growing off this one anymore. I saw something about squating for sets of 20 (swat and milk thread). I know this is old school and probably conventional to some. Basically I am just looking for a new routine.
    This is the best routine I have ever used!

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    POWER:week 1
    -rack deadlift...3 x 3-6
    -bent row...3 x 4-6
    -weighted chin...2-3 x 4-6
    -CG seated row...2-3 x 4-6

    REP RANGE:week 2
    -CG weighted chin...2 x 6-8
    -WG T-Bar row...2 x 8-10
    -dumbell row...2 x 10-12
    -pullover...2 x 12-15

    SHOCK:week 3
    -pullover/WG pulldown superset...1-2 x 8-10 each
    -stiff arm pulldown/reverse grip bent row...1-2 x 8-10 each
    -CG seated pully row dropset...1 x 6-8, drop, 6-8, drop, 6-8

    Arms

    week 1: power

    -barbell curl...2 x 4-6
    -preacher curl...2 x 4-6
    -hammer curl...1-2 x 4-6
    -CG bench press...3 x 4-6
    -skull crush...2 x 4-6
    -single arm dumbell extension...1-2 x 4-6

    week 2: rep range

    -alternating dumbell curl...2 x 6-8
    -cable curl...2 x 8-10
    -concentration curl...1-2 x 10-12
    -weighted dip...3 x 6-8
    -pushdown...2 x 8-10
    -kickback...1-2 x 10-12

    week 3: shock

    -ez bar curl/CG chin superset...1 x 6-10 each
    -preacher curl/reverse curl superset...1 x 6-10 each
    -DROPSET cable single arm curl...1 x 6-10, drop 6-10
    -pushdown/CG bench press superset...1-2 x 6-10 each
    -reverse grip pushdown/incline overhead extension superset...1-2 x 6-10 each
    -DROPSET weighted bench dip...1 x 8-10, drop 8-10

    Chest

    week 1: power
    -dumbell bench press...3 x 4-6
    -incline press...3 x 4-6
    -weighted dips...2 x 4-6

    week 2: rep range
    -incline dumbell press...3 x 6-8
    -bench press...3 x 8-10
    -flye...2 x 10-12

    week 3: shock
    -superset...cable crossover/incline smith press...1-2 x 8-10 reps each
    -superset...incline flye/dips...1 x 8-10 reps each
    -dropset...machine bench press...1 x 8-10, drop 6-8, drop 6-8 optional

    Delts

    week 1: power

    -military press...2-3 x 4-6
    -upright row...2-3 x 4-6
    -"cheat" lateral...2 x 4-6

    week 2: rep range

    -single arm dumbell press...2 x 6-8
    -bent lateral...2-3 x 8-10
    -cable side lateral...2 x 10-12

    week 3: shock

    -seated side lateral/hammer machine press superset...1-2 x 8-10
    -reverse pec deck/WG upright row superset...1-2 x 8-10
    -cable front raise dropset...1 x 6-8, drop 6-8, drop 6-8 optional

    Legs

    week 1: power

    -squats...3 x 4-6
    -leg press...3 x 4-6
    -single leg extension...2 x 4-6
    -lying leg curl...3 x 4-6
    -stiff deadlift...2-3 x 4-6

    week 2: rep range

    -leg extension...2 x 8-10
    -hack squat...3 x 10-12
    -one legged leg press...3 x 12-15
    -lying leg curl...2 x 6-8
    -stiff deadlift...2 x 8-10
    -single leg curl or seated leg curl...1-2 x 10-12

    week 3: shock

    -superset: leg extension/front squat...1-2 x 8-10 each
    -superset: leg extension/sissy squat or leg press...1-2 x 8-10 each
    -dropset: lunge...1 x 8-10, drop, 8-10
    -superset: leg curl seated or lying/toes pointed hyperextension...1-2 x 8-10 each
    -dropset: single leg curl...1-2 x 8-10, drop, 8-10
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    Nice routine Swole! <cut 'n paste>

    I would add weighted dips. I typically pyramid from 20-70lbs, 6 sets, occasionally to failure. I attempt to kick my legs back to isolate the chest rather than the traps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riskarb
    Nice routine Swole! <cut 'n paste>

    I would add weighted dips. I typically pyramid from 20-70lbs, 6 sets, occasionally to failure. I attempt to kick my legs back to isolate the chest rather than the traps.
    Yup, that was a cut and paste job, but I have been following the routine for almost a year. It was designed by one of my co-workers here at VPX.
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    Unconventional -> Discontinue lifting and instead meditate/visualize for 75minutes each day that your muscles are growing. Do this for 6 weeks then return to lifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30
    Yup, that was a cut and paste job, but I have been following the routine for almost a year. It was designed by one of my co-workers here at VPX.
    Nah, Bro... meaning it was worth a cut 'n paste on my end. =)
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    rofl @ size...

    might wanna try a normal routine that doesnt involve working out 5 times a day and working out muscle groups twice a week with the high volume that you're doing...

    i'd take 2 weeks off and try a 3 day or 4 day split with less volume or even switch over to high-intensity training for a while (less sets, more failure)...

    unconventional doesnt mean good either; size was trying to make that point
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    I seemed to get nothing out of training each muscle once a week. I need to train at least four days a week. Even at my high intensity, I dont feel over trained afterward, I dont even get that sore anymore.
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    yeah your body is probably used to the serious overload and you arent aware of the symptoms...

    let's play a logic game:
    a) you arent growing as you should (or as you'd like) i'm assuming by asking your original question...
    b) you're already doing many more sets than most of the guys on this forum use
    c) you just stated that you have to workout quite a bit each week to feel that you got a good workout
    d) you obviously arent getting a good workout from it because of reason 'a'

    I train each muscle group about 1.5 times a week, i dont go for splits that have a 7 day stretch, mine span over about 5-6 days (whereas i've seen others go for 9ish)

    Can you honestly say you gave it a concentrated effort when training each muscle group once a week? There's a reason most guys use a once a week theme on their routines on this forum.. because they work... there's so many different styles to choose from...

    If you're looking for something off the wall and a bit different, yet you will get your ass busted up, try DoggCrapp's routine, though for most people they need to space out the workouts just a little bit more... trust me, i've used it before; its definitely a ball-buster, especially the 20 rep squats
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    I have to agree with BigSwole that the routine he posted is without a doubt the best training program I have ever used.
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    Bean, what are you trying to say? your lifting each muscle group 1.5 times a week? 1.5?
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    I am going to give you guys a more detailed layout of my chest days for a week and you guys tell me what you think should be changed. I lift 5-6 days a week....I change up the exercise from week to week, but just to give you an idea....

    Day 1 Chest (Strength) sets of 5

    Smythe Incline Bench
    10@185
    8@225
    6@315
    4@325

    Regular Incline Bench
    10@185
    7@205
    6@225
    4@255
    4@255

    Smythe Decline Bench
    10@185
    8@225
    6@275
    4@315
    4@325

    Decline Bench
    10@185
    8@225
    5@275
    4@315
    4@315

    Day 4: Chest (Max), sets of 6

    Flat Bench

    10@185
    10@225
    8@275
    4@315
    3@325
    1@350

    Smythe Bench

    10@185
    10@225
    7@275
    5@315
    3@335
    1@365

    Dumbell Press

    10@80 in each hand
    8@90 in each hand
    6@100 in each hand
    4@110 in each hand
    2@120 in each hand
    2@120 in each hand

    Cable Flys
    12@60 each rope
    10@70
    8@80
    5@90
    5@90
    drop set 14@60






    I usually get a light spot for the last 2 sets of each execise. I am usually pretty beat by the end. And my last exercise I do alot less weight than if that exercise was my first.
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    Less conventionnal ?

    Do HST, and start growing again

    I didnt gain in the last 6 months of training, while on HST, when I did my 1st cycle 2 months ago, I gain 0.75 inches on my chest. Yummy !!!
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    swole that sounds like an excellent routine, i'm going to give it a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
    I am going to give you guys a more detailed layout of my chest days for a week and you guys tell me what you think should be changed. I lift 5-6 days a week....I change up the exercise from week to week, but just to give you an idea....

    Day 1 Chest (Strength) sets of 5

    Smythe Incline Bench
    10@185
    8@225
    6@315
    4@325

    Regular Incline Bench
    10@185
    7@205
    6@225
    4@255
    4@255

    Smythe Decline Bench
    10@185
    8@225
    6@275
    4@315
    4@325

    Decline Bench
    10@185
    8@225
    5@275
    4@315
    4@315

    Day 4: Chest (Max), sets of 6

    Flat Bench

    10@185
    10@225
    8@275
    4@315
    3@325
    1@350

    Smythe Bench

    10@185
    10@225
    7@275
    5@315
    3@335
    1@365

    Dumbell Press

    10@80 in each hand
    8@90 in each hand
    6@100 in each hand
    4@110 in each hand
    2@120 in each hand
    2@120 in each hand

    Cable Flys
    12@60 each rope
    10@70
    8@80
    5@90
    5@90
    drop set 14@60



    holy crap 40 plus sets of chest a week?!! Your shoulders must be tired as all hell from that. It looks to be ~ 132 reps (quick count) in a single workout - that's some crazy overtraining. It also looks like some of those sets are warm up sets maybe? Once you've warmed up initially there's no need to keep those 10x185 sets in there - hell you could easily get rid of the 8 and 7 rep sets too.

    I'd recommend limiting your sets and exercises each workout. Keep the variety from for each workout but go w/ smith incline and regular bench then focus on tri movements such as weighted dips. Then for your chest/shoulder day go w/ declines flys and shoulder presses.

    I'm not surprised you're spinning your wheels w/ this workout now but one other aspect to look at is your diet. You can be busting you ass in the gym every workout but you have to eat to see the gains....good luck getting over this hump bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
    Bean, what are you trying to say? your lifting each muscle group 1.5 times a week? 1.5?
    yeah... think about it a second

    1.5 times in 1 week or 3 times in 2 weeks...
    i dont use a "every 7 days" schedule, i dont base my plan off of that at all

    as for your workout plan, just starting to look at it... why on earth are you using the smythe machine? have you got chest injuries to where you need to use it?

    you're doing way too many sets
    you're doing way too many sets
    you're doing way too many sets
    you're doing way too many sets
    you're doing way too many sets

    I'll say it again, even though it wont make much of a difference... you're doing way too many sets if you've been doing this for a long time... sure its a great way to break a plateau by beating your body hard... but running it all the time only keeps your body from being able to grow as it should

    you cant use your body's feeling as a measurement on how your workout is; you've become used to this kind of training... you dont have to totally destroy yourself to grow... i know you're looking at me like i'm stupid for saying it...

    Anyway, i'm sick of saying the same thing over and over to people that come in here and post real questions like this, then show their workout routine (which comes up as a horrible routine for one way or another), and then keep second-guessing the people that are trying to give them advice... why second-guess someone's advice when you are the one who asked for it?

    I'm done in this thread.
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    OK bean....no need to be a dick. I am not second guessing you, that I why I am asking questions.
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    apologies for being a dick; its not you... just lots of hit-nazi threads around the forums and this just got thrown on the pile even though its on the opposite end of the spectrum
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    I agree I am doing to many sets, Here is am example of a revised chest day I was thinking about...

    Flat Bench
    225@10 (warm up)
    275@8(warm up)
    315@5(progession)
    335@3(heavy)
    345@1(max)

    Incline
    225@6 (prgession)
    245@4 (heavy)
    285@2 (max)

    Decline
    315@5 (heavy)
    345@2 (max)

    Weighted Dip
    45@10 (one set)

    I am sure you can see the pattern here....Thats half the sets of what I used to do, how does this idea look?
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    its better but it still seems like over kill to me. I'd alternate each week using two out of the 3 presses. Then you could probobly squeeze in another set or two of weighted dips.

    Would your plan be to max out every work out or ???
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    i'd save the maxing out for like once every other week at least... just do another set of 6 or so and it sorta becomes a low-rep volume routine
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    k then, I would like to lift chest twice in a 7-8 day spand, one heavy day and one rep day (4-8 rep ending) what do guys sugguest? I really dont like training chest only once in a 7-8 day period. Should I reduce my sets on this heavy day even futher? Rember I am looking for mass
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    My routine:

    Quads / Hams:
    Squats (bb, smith or hack) 2-3 work sets
    45 degree leg press 1-2 work sets
    Lying leg curl 2 work sets
    Deads pyramiding up to 1 main work set

    Chest / Triceps
    Low incl smith press 1-2 work sets
    Flat db press 1-2 work sets
    Weighted dips 2 work sets
    Close grip bb press or weighted dips between benches 2 work sets

    Back / Biceps
    Bent over smith row 2 work sets
    Bent over close/neutral grip T-bar row 2 work sets
    Reverse grip pulldowns 2 work sets
    Standing alt db hammer curls 2 work sets
    1-arm db preacher curls 1-2 work sets

    Delts / Traps / Calves
    Overhead db press 1-2 work sets
    Db lateral raise 2 work sets
    Rear delt machine 1 work set
    Smith shrugs 1-2 work sets
    Smith standing calve raise 1-2 work sets
    Seated calve raise 1-2 work sets

    Generally I warm up using a Max-Ot type of warm up prior to the first exercise of the day, for all following exercises I usually do one acclimation set then straight to the work set(s) or on some bd I may not even do an acclimation set I might just go right into the work set(s).

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