All I care about are results and not evidence or science
- 02-12-2013, 07:30 AM
All I care about are results and not evidence or science
This is one of the most common arguments against science or an evidence-based approach. How true or how wrong is this statement? Check out this article please: All I care about are results and not evidence or science
- 02-12-2013, 08:47 AM
Actual, observable results are evidence that X or Y works and that science may or may not be able to explain yet.
Gravity existed long before Newton.
Going upstream against irrefutable truths is stupid but let's be honest, few hard facts, genuine facts, exist in the kinesiology/nutritional world where universal application is concerned. Results exist, however. Like gravity did, before Newton described it. Disregarding actual results because a study doesn't exist to "prove" the result in a lab setting is also stupid. -
- 02-12-2013, 11:02 AM
Determining how to obtain the best results is science. That's exactly what science is.
- 02-12-2013, 12:13 PM
uhm, science shows evidence via results of a fact. so dismissing science and evidence is dismissing results. that statement has to truly be the most oxymoronic statement i have ever heard.
you can call me "ozzie" for short. - 02-12-2013, 01:53 PM
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- 02-12-2013, 02:23 PM
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- 02-13-2013, 07:29 PM
lol
"Jim Says…
Don't fall for that crap that people are peddling on the message boards, in magazines or on TV.
Get your **** in order, and get your training in order. Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesn't matter.
Start doing and believing in the stuff that works, and do it today and forever. You want science and studies? **** you, I've got scars and blood and vomit.
This is a call to arms for some of you. It is for me too. Stop all the things that make you a ***** and steal your energy. Get your life back. - Jim Wendler"
http://www.jimwendler.com/ - 02-14-2013, 08:07 AM
Originally Posted by TexasGuy
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- 02-14-2013, 01:15 PM
- 02-14-2013, 03:44 PM
Re: All I care about are results and not evidence or science
And yet another reason why crossfit is retarded
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S™II using Tapatalk 2"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates - 02-14-2013, 04:11 PM
- 02-14-2013, 06:13 PM
- 02-14-2013, 06:42 PM
Re: All I care about are results and not evidence or science
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates - 02-15-2013, 09:02 AM
- 02-15-2013, 09:28 AM
- 02-15-2013, 09:33 AM
There is zero application with that teaching method. They have freaking 5lb bumper plates that he could use so she could get the feeling of the bar in her hands, the actual start/stop point, etc.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
- 02-15-2013, 09:43 AM
Bigcountry's Getting a little smaller: Epi/Stano Log
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/231194-bigcountrys-getting-little.html - 02-15-2013, 10:06 AM
They should put a big photo of glassman on their homepage. I never knew he was that out of shape. Great role model for the company...
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- 03-02-2013, 09:35 AM
Sorry for the late reply bro.
It is not as simple as you make out of it. You are using like examples which are crystal clear. Another example is parachute saving lives. Most of that you see around doesn't have that large magnitude of effect. Back in those days, smoking was considered good. We still didn't know smoking was bad until it was shown in studies. The same with women taking HRT. Some take HRT and do great while some 'dont'. How are you goona decide if it is good? This is due to the random variation in every biological phenomenon.
We used blood letting for almost 2000 years to treat every disease. Why? People were dying in 1000's. Could't we see the 'observable results' as evidence for it not to work and stop it after a few years? So 'observable' results doesn't say anything if it works or not. - 03-02-2013, 11:24 AM
By your logic, science itself should be disregarded.
It is that simple. Throwing out obviously effective techniques and protocols because there isn't an "official" study saying it works is stupid. While science sometimes is a root cause for a paradigm shift in thought, it is usually playing catch up to existing, observable phenomena and either validates existing paradigms or slightly improves the efficiency of application. This has certainly been the case in gym science. - 03-02-2013, 11:44 AM
Again, what is your definition "obviously effective"?
Can you name a program which is not "obviously effective"? Go to HIT forum and it is obviously effective. got P90x website, it is obviously effective. Go to Tracy Anderson's method, it is obviously effective. Go to homeapathic doctor, and we will have results to show it is "obviously effective".
And nobody ever said to throw out techniques if it is not shown in a study. Depends on a lot of other factors. - 03-02-2013, 11:52 AM
Yes, those programs all obviously allow practioners to achieve the defined goals of the program, and they do so despite a lack of individual scientific studies conclusively saying each program will be effective at delivering its defined goal.
I have a better idea; why don't you clarify the argument you are making so we have a basis for discussion?
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