thicker rounder shoulder movements?

[NYiron]

Yes, I believe the eccentric, but definitely at the bottom of the ROM.

I definitely agree with you.

[VS91588]

Try this workout out... I did it today and it killed me

Shoulder Press (your choice)
SS
DB Side Raises - 4 sets

Machine Side Raises - 4 sets

DB Rear Delt Raises
SS
DB Fromt Raises - 4 sets

Reverse Pec Dec - 4 sets

Shrugs - 3-4 sets

[broda]

I have to argue the opposite.

Doing raises prior to presses is going to place a higher level of recruitment on the triceps since the delts will be fatigued, resulting in less overload on the delts. This has been shown in EMG studies looking at pre-exhuast with flyes prior to chest presses, and I would venture to say a similar finding would occur in the case above.

Also, its not just the weight that poses a risk for shoulder injuries. You must also take into consideration, and perhaps more crucial than load, the repetition volume. Lateral raises, especially when they are done with the palm down and taken above chest level result in impingement at the shoulder joint. Doing this over and over again will do two things: increase the risk for tendonitis, and fatigue the smaller rotator cuff/fixator muscles of the shoulder, causing a deviation movement mechanics when doing presses...which can be problematic.

Br

Would you say that pre-fatiguing triceps before your shoulder workout could potentially be beneficial then so it puts more stress on your deltoid? Or could that just be leading further to injury?

[ZiR RED]

Would you say that pre-fatiguing triceps before your shoulder workout could potentially be beneficial then so it puts more stress on your deltoid? Or could that just be leading further to injury?

Thats an interesting question. I haven't seen much research that looks at the effects or preloading the triceps on muscle recruitment during the over head press. Another option might be to prefatigue the lats.

[Doss]

Another option might be to prefatigue the lats.

I'd like to experiment with this. What were you thinking?

[todd muelheim]

John meadows has some pretty innovative ideas when it comes to shoulder workouts. Google him and you should be able to find a few workouts he released for free.

[ZiR RED]

I'd like to experiment with this. What were you thinking?

Try a few sets of shoulder extensions or neutral grip lat pull downs. You could superset it: 15 reps pull down 45 sec rest the shoulder press. Or, 3 straight sets of pull downs then presses.