Deep squats hurt knees?
- 07-14-2012, 12:14 AM
Deep squats hurt knees?
I have been doing squats for month now and I've been doing then where my hamstrings are parallel to the ground. And I got some advice to go down all the way down.. Deep. I have been wondering if that hurt your knees and I've been seeing different answers.
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- 07-14-2012, 10:56 AM
I would post the link but not at 50 posts yet, scroll down some in the exercise science board there is a thread up outlining this question. Hope it helps.
07-14-2012, 09:35 PM
Squatting deep is not bad for the knees. In many foreign countries people live there everyday life's squatting deep and they have no knee problems at all.
What causes knee problems is squatting with bad form.
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07-20-2012, 12:19 AM
07-29-2012, 01:09 PM
Also get some knee wraps if you're concerned about your knees. I tore my meniscus years ago, and If I squat without them my knee hurts. If I wear them it doesn't hurt at all.
08-09-2012, 04:19 PM
Great advice already given. With everything else said I would just add that if you still experience pain, your likely lifting too heavy. Quit trying to be macho man in the gym and do what's best for your body.
08-09-2012, 06:45 PM
Squatting to where the Femur (thigh bone) is at 90 degrees to the floor is often the best. Dropping to low can be bad if your bone structure won't allow you to do it comfortably, and typically this is where the bad form comes into it, with knees buckling and so on. Go to 90 dgrees
08-09-2012, 07:11 PM
That's all Greek to me - and I'm not sure if those differences actually enable Asians to squat deeper more safely than the rest of the planet or not. Do you have any more info on this?
- the medio-lateral dimension of the knee joint in the western population is significantly more than their Asian counterparts
- the bones of Indian people are narrower compared to the conventional knee implants.
08-09-2012, 10:01 PM
08-09-2012, 11:29 PM
That being said though, I would still only recommend going to 90 degrees. I think you completly misread my response; I didnt once mention muscular imbalances, nor was I giving advice on how to rectify them.
08-10-2012, 12:16 AM
What aspect of a healthy bone structure, regardless of ethnicity, with no handicaps are you referring to? How would squatting to only 90 degrees benefit? How would going further into flexion be of detriment? I understand your point as far as ethnicity and bone structures being more apt to remaining in deep flexion for extensive periods of time. That is not what was in question.Originally Posted by Jiigzz
Your post outside of that made a statement that 90 degrees is best and that in my opinion is false, for a number of reasons. You also had stated that going below 90 degrees is where buckling at the knees, etc. occurs, and to avoid going below 90 degrees for that reason. This is where my disagreement lies. My post was arguing that if deviations in form and/or lack of comfort occurs, reasons you argue for only 90 degrees, most often they are indications of the problems previously stated in my above post. When this isn't the case there is usually an underlying physiological reasoning that squatting only to 90 degrees will not resolve.
08-10-2012, 12:33 AM
08-10-2012, 12:44 AM
08-10-2012, 12:48 AM
And yes, squatting deep will transfer most of the forces to the hips, rather than at the knee which is better considering the knees cannot handle as much force as the hips can. So squatting deeper will assist that.
Be interesting to hear what my physiologist tutor has to say; he is always stating to make sure the Femur is at parallel.
08-10-2012, 12:49 AM
If it bothers you dont do it. I have always squatting ass to floor and had no situations with it. It could be how your built Im tall and flexible so my body allows me to really go all the way down fine
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08-10-2012, 12:51 AM
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08-10-2012, 01:03 AM
08-10-2012, 01:08 AM
Thank you. I'd be interested to hear his reasonings as well, if it's arguing for strictly 90 and no further. Shoot me a pm with what he has to say. Good talking discussing this with you, always in for a educated discussion.
08-11-2012, 12:46 AM
08-11-2012, 12:50 PM
For what its worth, I have terrible knees, and they actually feel better after doing deep squats. While I don't go ATG, I go pretty close, well below parallel. I used to a little deeper, but I have a sciatica problem and if my knees get to close to my chest there is a sharp pain. This also prevents me from doing even light leg presses.
08-16-2012, 10:52 PM
NYiron, It is very nice of u NY to give the man instructions.
But, funny, it reminded me of a joke - a letter to mom:
"Dear mom. I know u do not read well; so I will write SLOWLY". :-)
Just curious: do u know that u could type the address ?
08-16-2012, 11:25 PM
08-16-2012, 11:31 PM
Excuse me? I'm missing what you are getting at as far as the joke. Also what address am I typing?Originally Posted by Vitaly
08-17-2012, 12:09 AM
^ I was thinking the same thing haha wtf.
I actually talked to guy (not the one who made the comment on 90 degrees) and hes been telling me that he prefers it if you can get full ROM in movements where possible to do so. When I told him that the other physiologist had a differing oppinion on where to stop, he wouldnt comment on it (probably because it was his boss).
So anyway, thanks for the insight, cleared things up for me; deep squats it is.
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