Training making me fat?

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  1. A lot of ppl thought this until he trained them and hot them in the best shape of their lives...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Ya. Did about 4 hours of reading on Vince gironda and all his methods.. IMO the guy is a genius. He hit all my issues on the head.. Running kills muscle and too much ab work actually causes water retention and swelling around the abs.. And messes with endocrine secretion. He preaches deciding if you are a weightlifter or BB, but cannot be both.. I want to be lean and aesthetically pleasing and confident.. Not a big for nothing mass who boasts meaningless numbers.. Vince didnt even allow his trainees to squat.. I have detested squatting for the very same reason as je did- makes your ass too big! And takes away from symmetry. I'm a rambling insomniatic mess right now.. But the change are imminent. And I'm sooo ready. Shorter workouts of 8x8, 10,8,6,15.. Others I need to research. 3 weeks on, one off protocol. 3 days no carbs with a cArb up every 4th. I'm gonna pick up a bunch of his booklets and apply his principles To a T.
    lets pick this apart... squatting makes your ass bigger? hahaha nope.
    Running kills muscle? hahhaha nope

    endocrine secretion? ummmm bwahahahahahahaaaaa.

    stop drinking the koolaid bro - your better than this.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    A lot of ppl thought this until he trained them and hot them in the best shape of their lives...
    This may be true, but the number one error I see on these boards are that people equate correlation to causation. This is another case in point. You need to be willing to question "how?" and "why?," not just "what?" Only then will you be able to fulfill the AM motto of "learn, teach, lead." Nom saiyan

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    This may be true, but the number one error I see on these boards are that people equate correlation to causation. This is another case in point. You need to be willing to question "how?" and "why?," not just "what?" Only then will you be able to fulfill the AM motto of "learn, teach, lead." Nom saiyan
    What he taught, in my case, is dead on though. Classic over training and not emphasizing my strong points and hiding my weak points. I want the classic v taper. I don't want to and necerhace wanted to look like the mutated freaks of today's bb world. I want that classic elongated widened upper body with a small waist. I have used the 8x8 method by VG and it was some of the best aesthetic progress I'd ever made. I did it for 3 weeks, took a week off, and instead of resuming, I let my curiosity get the best of me and moved onto something else. Diet is still 85-90%. If you are lean, you can then shape and sculpt your body into whatever u want..


    Why would one NOT wantto look like this.. ?

  5. Again, you are mistaking correlation for causation. 3 weeks on a new training scheme will never present in significant aesthetic changes in the manner you speak of. LBM accrual is not so rapid...neither is LBM loss. The reasoning behind the reality is always multifactorial and predominantly diet-related, though you may not notice it right now.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger
    wait wait wait... anyone who advises NOT to squat is a complete MORON not a genius. If you dont Squat, you might as well jazzercise.
    Can't agree more

  7. Man u guys r tough lol

  8. Not tough, just objective . The intention is to simply educate you on the truth. Don't sweat the small stuff!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    Not tough, just objective . The intention is to simply educate you on the truth. Don't sweat the small stuff!
    Oh I know. I love traditional BBing. Believe me there is no greater satisfaction or sense of accomplishment to me than completing a grueling workout. I'm just frustrated bc for whatever reason (the point of this thread again) my current methods are not working.. Be it over training, poor diet, lack of sleep.. most likely a combination of everything.. I figured I'd try anything.. And again, had success, albeit short teerm, with the 8x8 system. I think at thus point I will ficus on dialing in the diet.. No carbs 3 days, then carbs, repeat. I will and have begin curtailing excessive cardio, and I will experiment with less ab work to see if swelling and protruding subsides.. I am set to start a program I've used with success for peaking on Monday.. Designed to emphasize Lats and delts width. I'd post it up but idk if I could take the potential beating I might get lol. Jk.

  10. To be honest, and this is just being straight up, maybe try, at least temporarily, a 'normal' diet. The reason I say this is that it just seems like you havent got it all mapped out yet and are still trying to find yourself. Take a step back, and work from the ground up.

    I incorporate ab work into most of my workouts annd 1 day where I completly hammer them. I never feel bloated.

    Find a diet and workout that works, stick with it, dont change it every day or two because of something you read that may or may not be better, its better to make chnages slowly, experiment over two-three weeks and if its not working then switch it up.

  11. Ched how long have you been training for?
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  12. Please stickie this thread fcuk sake.
    This info is gold for many.

    Coop, I feel like a turd throwing my ****e questions at you and bugging you. I do try not to take a dogmatic view that carbs are bad. They help with cortisol and repletion and taste good. I'm talking gluten free here and not oats either.

    Camz, I know what your feeling. I make everything a bloody science experiment and.shouldnt have to.

    Too y'all who listen and help.out, THANKS VERY VERY MUCH. Invaluable.........
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza
    Ched how long have you been training for?
    Since football At age 14- suffered anorexia age 16-18 (still trained but excessive and lost 100 pounds). then Since 18 for bulks n recomps to fix the damage. I'll be 24 in sept so 10 years.. But I guess i would say almost 6 if u cut out everything prior to losing 10" pounds of body mass. Talking muscle, fat, bone density, organ weight..

  14. First and foremost, break up your training into more days with less gym time or just cut back overall. Serum testosterone levels will begin to fall around the 60-90 minute mark. If your issue is indeed test: cortisol issues you need to minimize the damage done in that regard. You don't need to be in the gym nearly that long to get things accomplished anyway.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by tigerdb2
    First and foremost, break up your training into more days with less gym time or just cut back overall. Serum testosterone levels will begin to fall around the 60-90 minute mark. If your issue is indeed test: cortisol issues you need to minimize the damage done in that regard. You don't need to be in the gym nearly that long to get things accomplished anyway.
    Yea I just got soo busy that I figured id dedicate 3-4 days of intense training and that recovery would improve with more off time.. But obviously went overboard w gym time

  16. I understand and It's hard for some to resist the urge to keep pounding away but the weight room is a great example of more not always being better. Aside from seeking out help from medical professionals and or time off, I would start by backing training down to a max of 2 hours and, ideally, 60-90 minutes. That's a rough starting point as you may need less with your potential issues, but baby steps are a good start.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by tigerdb2
    I understand and It's hard for some to resist the urge to keep pounding away but the weight room is a great example of more not always being better. Aside from seeking out help from medical professionals and or time off, I would start by backing training down to a max of 2 hours and, ideally, 60-90 minutes. That's a rough starting point as you may need less with your potential issues, but baby steps are a good start.
    For sure. I believe the less is better and have for some time, which is a start .. Applying it is the tough part.. But when you physically can't as is happening now.. Your body forces you too.. As I've said.. Ready for making changes for the better! Really appreciate this forum and all the great guys and gals helping out.

  18. Little update- started on a new workout and changed my diet up.. First n foremost- diet is now 4-6 days of keto followed by a carb inclusion day. I am eating only meats, fish, and animal fat, eggs, the like.. No veggies or salad or any carbs what so ever, aside from the 2g in my protein mix. Energy is great, as Is mood.. Leaning up literally ecerywhere except lower belly. Im not 18 anymore.. Im almost 24, I guess I should stop expecting 3 day results..

    As for workouts. Hit the gym everyday so far this. Week. Max time was 2 hours, min was 1.2 hours. Including cardio and weights. Only did Abs once so far and literally just about 50 reps of various movements to get a deep burn. and will hold off another day or two before maybe hitting them again. Really trying to rely on the keto diet to shed bf.. My abs r big.. I probably built them too much over winter and that is why I have developed a bit of a protruding stomach. Even after 4 days of no AB work, they hardness was there, but the swollen ness seemed to be subsiding greatly.. Hopefully this keto thing will work out and I will ride it thru the summer

  19. suprisingly, you do need a strong core to deadlift and squat correctly.
    I dont do any direct abs anymore. Just squat and deadlift like a mo'fo and my waist has thickened and i have become so much stronger.

    Glad your feeling better Cam, we all wanna help you. Keep it up and dont forget about time off and recovery!!!body grows and recouperates during recovery

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79
    suprisingly, you do need a strong core to deadlift and squat correctly.
    I dont do any direct abs anymore. Just squat and deadlift like a mo'fo and my waist has thickened and i have become so much stronger.

    Glad your feeling better Cam, we all wanna help you. Keep it up and dont forget about time off and recovery!!!body grows and recouperates during recovery

    peace
    I've been deadlifting once a week heavy with occasional/necessary deloads for literally 5 years straight.. Never stopped for more than an off week. I'm going to try n shake things up and cut deads out for a few weeks, see if i can't really shrink my waist and lower back.. It's all about creatine the illusion- wide upper body, tiny waist. Will continue dedicTed leg work.. But let's be honest- I workout to look good- if picking up a bar with 260 pounds on it isn't applicable to that goal... Why the hell would I continue to do it? Lol. Instead I'm doing hypers twice a week and reverse hypers twice a week. All body weight for these. If all goes well, I will stRt deading again at the end of aug. And also resume heavier ab workouts.

  21. I haven't been on here in a while but I just read this entire thread and felt compelled to post.

    My take on your problem is that you have issues with instant gratification and recurrent body image issues. Not being a dick here but actually speaking from personal experience.

    My significant other suffered from severe bulimia years ago and was actually hospitalized for it. Intensive cognitive behavioral therapy helped her regain control over her thoughts and actions. She struggles with it every day but now has the tools to dominate her disorder and not the other way around. Consider something similar

    As far as instant gratification goes, achieving your physique goals through working out, diet and recovery is a long term cumulative process. You change diets, routines and philosophies like some people change their underwear. Consistency is a big part of the equation. You never allow your body to reach a healthy equilibrium. While those "keto" diets can initialize a reduction in body fat, they are not a healthy, viable long term solution to reaching your goals. Eat healthy foods in healthy proportions and improvements will be inevitable. Macros and food choice homey!

    Your muscles and brain depend on certain amounts of carb for proper functioning. Restricted carb diets impair cognitive functioning. By the way, I'm talking sweet potatoes, brown rice, oatmeal, fibrous veggies here, not mountain dew or snickers bars.

    Also, spending 2-3 hours in the gym is severely catabolic. I see that you're trying to cut back and that's good. I perform cardio AND strength training in under an hour. Diet and recovery is 80% of the equation. Don't kill yourself in the gym or you will become one big catabolic mess. Maybe if you were juicing and sleeping 10 hours a day with no job could you effectively recover from your workouts lol.

    I could go on and on but to summarize, stop changing things so often and work on your personal/mental stuff. In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter if you aren't "perfect"? I promise you nobody will be standing over your coffin when you're dead talking about that 'subcutaneous layer of water he just couldn't rid of' or your 'subpar V-taper'. Eat, drink, workout and be merry!

  22. I agree with the above post, but I also see you taking such a ridiculous amount of different supplements. I think you should look more into your diet and not mess around with (i forget how many you listed 5, 6, 7?) that many supplements. Supplements are just to "supplement" your eating or if your taking them for recovery or sleep reasons that's just a big money game. Eat the right amounts fit to you, get enough sleep and you'll be better off instead of taking one of every supplement to aid in some sort of action for you. There is no magic pill.

  23. Thank you above 2 posters. All valid points which I agree with 100% thanks for taking the time to post

  24. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Little update- started on a new workout and changed my diet up.. First n foremost- diet is now 4-6 days of keto followed by a carb inclusion day. I am eating only meats, fish, and animal fat, eggs, the like.. No veggies or salad or any carbs what so ever, aside from the 2g in my protein mix. Energy is great, as Is mood.. Leaning up literally ecerywhere except lower belly. Im not 18 anymore.. Im almost 24, I guess I should stop expecting 3 day results..
    I have to post on this, this is EXTREMELY misguided. No vegetables? Vegetables contains lots of vitamins and minerals that play a huge part in important metabolic reactions (i.e. releasing energy from food), not to mention the other important stuff in there. Also, veges contain very small amounts of useable carbs (most of the carbs being from fiber which doesnt really supply much calories).

    You seriously need to rethink this strategy. Your health will begin to decline rapidly (within a month no doubt). You could get serious deficiencies and things.
    Lack of fiber could promote colon cancer as well as a multitude of other things..

  25. ^^^can I get an Amen?

  26. eat your damn vegetables!
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  27. The no vegetables thing is 3-4 days, then carbs, repeat. I'm taking a multi, extra b, d, c, calcium, magnesium, desiccated liver, kelp, and digestive enzymes. Eating about a dozen eggs a day..

  28. http://www.ironguru.com/vince-girond...efinition-diet

    Lots of material on this- just google maximum definition diet.. Its temporary, will begin a regular diet with veggies/low glyc carbs towards september.. I hear whAt yall r saying.. Just Trying this out.. So far it's all good.

  29. Spinach, asparagus or broccoli added to a few meals every day will do your physique wonders. No matter WHAT your goal (cutting, bulking, etc.). Trust us dude!

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Thixotrope
    Spinach, asparagus or broccoli added to a few meals every day will do your physique wonders. No matter WHAT your goal (cutting, bulking, etc.). Trust us dude!
    I believe u and LOVE Those foods! Always have.. I'm just trying this for now bc for whatever reason, my usual cutting methods have not worked this year.
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