Do you work Traps with Back or Shoulders?
- 11-14-2005, 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by sourinthemind
- 12-09-2005, 04:23 PM
When I train my shoulders effectively I need to concentrate on NOT using my traps. SO I dont train them together. I train my traps with back and superset them at the end of my work out.
- 12-13-2005, 06:18 PM
I do medium heavy barbell shrugs....my traps blow up with just that on shoulder day...one of the few good genetics i have.
08-07-2006, 09:52 PM
09-18-2006, 03:32 PM
09-18-2006, 05:21 PM
I usually do them to finish off a back day, uprights and shrugs. But if my back day takes me to the 1.5 hr limit in the gym or im dead tired, I will do them on a day on its own with abs or cardio or shoulders. I rarely work shoulders separately now I feel I can hit them on chest and back days. Im actually considering doing shrugs 2x a week as they are lagging a lil. Finally, I get a better pump when i hit them at the end of a back workout.
I like what bronx220 said earlier:"the trapezius is a broad diamond shaped musclethat lies across your back. only 15% lies above your shoulder.soooooo since traps are a back muscle........."
09-18-2006, 05:25 PM
I train em rest pause style now hitting failure 3 times, and then a do a static rep for 30 seconds, we'll see how this works out, my traps need to come up, well my upper traps anyway, my back always grows thick n dense fast.
09-18-2006, 05:28 PM
same here as far as trap development. I need to bring up the upper traps, one of my friends were messing with me the other day and told me i need to work on my traps(upper) cause he said i dont want it to be a shelf do i? needless to say this motivates me.Originally Posted by CHAPS
09-18-2006, 05:31 PM
Behind the back barbell shrugs are my favourite, i don't like them to the front, and dumbbell shrugs but pulling them up and back at the same time so kinda on an angle.
09-18-2006, 05:38 PM
yah those are good and i feel it takes the arms out of it even more when you have the barbel in the rear dumbells the angle thing is what i shoot for too, i have yet to lay on a incline bench reverse and trying db shrugs that way, i heard it works great. Nothing like some heavy ass shrugs....its how i hit my forearms/grip too, just holding the bar tight is a workout for them.Originally Posted by CHAPS
09-18-2006, 05:43 PM
09-18-2006, 05:48 PM
have you tried shrugs that way? Im probably going to try that tonight. I have to look into farmers walk i cant recall it.Originally Posted by CHAPS
09-18-2006, 05:59 PM
I tried em that way but it felt awkward, i think pulling a cable low then up to your neck with a bar will hit them the same way.
09-18-2006, 07:49 PM
I don't train traps, just for traps, they get a work out with bent over rows, deadlifts, and I think that's enough, unless your traps don't grow, but seems they are one of the easy muscles to build up.
09-20-2006, 11:33 AM
I see more votes for training traps on shoulder day but fewer responses as to why.
I'd like to know the rationale.
As for me, I believe traps like calves should be trained with more frequency than other muscles becuase of the short penate structure of the fibers. Weight X Distance
On the other hand, enough cant be said about the benefits of olympic style lifts and their effects on the traps.
09-21-2006, 06:54 PM
Traps are retarded to train as a muscle group if you are working your back and shoulders our correctly. They should get worked with your deadlifts, rows, and military presses. No reason at all to do shrugs since it works 10% of that muscle anyway.
Originally Posted by MadJimF
sorry didn't read yours until after I posted
10-03-2006, 10:06 PM
I only work them once every two or three weeks, they tend to do well enough from all the other compound exercises.
10-24-2006, 10:03 AM
It just depends on my split... I've worked them on back day, shoulder day, arm day, and "misc" day.
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10-29-2006, 05:30 PM
I do mine with back , I shrug for my traps about 9 sets . I work up to about 7 plates on each side then work back down to 4 . And I promise theres not many people with traps like me. Besides pros.
12-05-2006, 05:49 PM
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01-11-2007, 08:58 PM
i sometimes dont do just trap exercises since i do heavy dead lifts
so i guess u could say back...but if i want to do a trap workout i'll do it on shoulder days
01-11-2007, 09:25 PM
i train my traps with back and shoulders cause the only thing i do is shrugs but what i do is one day a go with dumbells and one day with the barbell
04-16-2008, 01:38 AM
you hit them as secondaries on either workout day...after killing them doing back I never thought I'd get much of a workout with them on back day.
so, I vote with Shoulders
05-14-2008, 11:21 PM
All of the above, with shoulders, with back, by themselves. It varies.
Traps are a back muscle, true, but that 15% ontop is heavily involved with the scapular elevation movements, which shoulder days excite more of. It's also the most prominent portion of the traps that are visible with "shirt on" or beater. The scapular retraction movements, which would be the remaining 75%, will excite your posterior traps to swell as if they're being worked, but not in that scapular elevation kind of way.
I personally prefer hitting my traps with a back day for the very reason that traps are involved in every other back exercise I perform, but they seem to get a deeper stimulation when I do traps on a shoulder day. Much more elevation going on and direction stimulation of the posterior traps.
06-11-2008, 11:50 AM
I used to do them with shoulders and now do them with back. I do deadlifts on back day and get the workout for them there and then do shrugs. I tend to feel it more the next day when doing them with back. Plus I have been focusing so much on shoulders that they get beat up enough on their day and I don't have much energy afterwards.
06-11-2008, 12:11 PM
06-11-2008, 07:58 PM
If I hit traps directly it's on shoulder day.I feel my traps working more from raises then I do deads.My traps get pumped after my first set of front or side raises.Plus shoulder day for me is always quick.
06-11-2008, 08:00 PM
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06-14-2008, 07:32 AM
06-14-2008, 10:59 AM
I'm currently looking to overtrain my traps, so I train them 4x a week. As soon as I'll take my week off they'll grow. At least that's the idea.
06-14-2008, 02:09 PM
I do my heavy shrug work after my squat/deadlift work (same day for me). If I want some higher volume then I may do them again later that week, light, with dumbbells or a machine just to get some blood in the muscles.
06-19-2008, 10:08 PM
I just remebered reading markus ruhel saying he works his traps on their own day.He does them after cardio and says it takes him like 15 minutes.
07-11-2008, 01:46 PM
07-11-2008, 06:07 PM
I quit doing shrugs all together.I started looking into how you worked those things on your shoulders when I started to notice them comming in(clue #1).I have just noticed my traps getting bigger for the second time without doing any direct work for them(clue #2).I see guys in the gym who do atleast three different types of shrugs quite often,and mine are either better,or if they're above me in bb'ing,just as good(clue #3).I hear so many,I think most pro's actually,saying they do no direct work for their traps.(clue #4)
07-16-2008, 08:36 PM
i do traps on shoulder days because i do more exercises for back than shoulders
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08-09-2008, 09:21 AM
I used to work my Traps with my back, and began to notice that my Shoulder workouts were suffering from something even with ample rest time. So I experimented with moving Traps to Shoulder day, and my Shoulders bagan to benifit from the move, been doing them on Shoulder day since.
08-09-2008, 02:44 PM
When I do shrugs, they're on my shoulders days. I finish a set of hang cleans, drop it for a second, switch grip and do whatever weight I was doing on hang cleans for 20 reps.
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