- 08-21-2004, 11:00 PM
i am currently in week three of my cycle (test cyp(500)/deca(475) per week) and i have a few questions. i felt really dizzy today for a few hours. is that a normal side? also, i have been feeling drained. i know its only my third week and i havent peaked yet, but is this common?
i started an arm workout last week using supersets so my workout schedule is like so...
mon - bi/tri/forearm
tue - chest/shoulder
wed - leg
thursday - bi/tri/forearm
friday - chest/shoulder
sat - leg
sunday - rest
the reason for the bi/tri/fore on same day is the workout of supersets. i used to do back and bis and then chest/tri another day. being in my third week of the cycle, i didnt know if overtraining was as much as an issue. i used to go 5 on two off, but being on the cycle i went to 6 days a week. if this isnt good or i am overtraining, what is a good alternative? i have to keep bi/tri/fore on same day....
- 08-21-2004, 11:19 PM
looks like too much to me. each bodypart once a week is enough, and you get proper rest that way.
- 08-22-2004, 11:58 AM
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
Bent Over Row
Clean and Press
EZ Bar Curl
Dead Lift/Squat (whatever I think is best at the time)
Now if you just seperate the push and pull exercises and do them on seperate days you've got a nice six day a week routine with one rest day. Add some complimentary exercises and you increase the volume. Leave a day in between the push pull split and you can get a lower or higher volume, but less frequent workout. Basically, when starting from a good full body routine you can modify it to suit almost any need and any split routine design you want.
08-22-2004, 03:03 PM
definitely overtraining, keep it at every bodypart once a week.
08-22-2004, 08:50 PM
I've been having very good success with an upper/lower split lately, hitting each bodypart twice in a day span. Key for me has been keeping overall volume somewhat lower due to the increased frequency, hitting major bodyparts with about 6 sets each workout, and smaller bodyparts with 3 sets or so. I'm 3 weeks in working out in this fashion, and have no overtraining signs as of yet.
09-13-2004, 10:27 PM
Just out our curiousity and for my own information later in my life when I am ready myself (obviously not yet). I too had a question on a rough basis of what would and wouldn't be overtraining when one is on cycle.
For example I heard that a natural bodybuilder should only workout 3-4 times a weak and each workout be under 1 hour, which is roughly 3 hours a week, if he was to go beyond this he risks going into overtrainning. I then heard for a Steroid using bodybuilder, he would work out 6 days a week and each workout could be near 2 hours and this could be done up to twice a day. The amount of hours he could log in would be around 12-22 hours a week? Obviously fast recovery times are one of the best perks about steroid use, and one of the greatest draws to people who love to work hard, and the emphasis is on the word "work".
From your guys' experience when on cycle how much more time can you spend training until you feel you could be overtraining? It would be yet more great knowledge to learn about for later in my own life, when I am fully grown (if not yet) and set knowlege wise.
09-13-2004, 10:36 PM
I would say that the book might be overstating things alittle.. I wouldn't try it if it were me.. rest is where you build your muscles and the stress from lifting is where you tear them down. Now the thing is that gear allows you to recover quicker because of increased protein synthesis.. so that would be aided by rest after LIFTING HEAVY.. and still not that long, I won't go over 1.5 hours at the gym ever..
09-13-2004, 11:14 PM
This is the real secret most don't seem to understand.Originally Posted by max silver
Ideal training is simply a balance between volume and frequency. Adjustments need to be made accordingly on the intensity of the routine.
Whenever I begin to feel burned out, I switch back to an upper/lower split for a week or so. During that week I'll hit each body part twice, only do 1 or 2 worksets per movement, and stick to the basic compound movements.
Just do enough to keep yourself from deconditioning. Like a day of heavy triples followed by a speed day later in the week composed of 6 rep sets using a 12 rep max.
09-14-2004, 12:15 AM
Thank you for the excellent response, makes sense.Originally Posted by Matthew D
The numbers I heard previously seemed a bit overestimated.
09-26-2004, 10:59 PM
Westside style training is the shizzle. The trick to doing WS style training is getting your volume of extra workouts down - but it works great!
A lot of people will notice a nice jump in strength after they've been training once a week for a couple of weeks. This is because they have recovered from overreaching... But if you only train a bodypart once a week most people will stall after a couple months. Elite level athletes use loading/deloading cycles, and gradually increase the volume over time. You would do well to emulate this practice, with periods of loading (overreaching) and deloading, if continual progress is what you're after.
09-27-2004, 10:46 AM
I dont see that u work out back? Chest and shoulders twice a week on the same day seem like too much and so does legs esp if your lifting heavy...Originally Posted by krs41
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