Good for a laugh... deadlifting and using straps - how NOT to do it.

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    You don't have to stand up between each rep, although with heavier sets I prefer to.

    However, you should regrip and reset hips, shoulder blades, and lower back. All too often I see people tapping the bar off the floor between reps, and the result is very negative indeed - hips elevate before shoulders, back round, and it becomes a dynamic spinal extension exercise versus a fixed spine hip extension movement.

    Br

    EDIT: No straps

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    You're not really leaving 100lb on the table without straps, you're lifting a maximal load that your entire body as a unit can handle. Do you try to progress the load you can handle without straps before using them?
    Oh yes... dont get me wrong, I go as heavy as I can without straps before I use them... so slowly but surely my no strap weight is increasing. I just feel like I am missing out by not doing the sets with the straps.
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  3. Hook grip

  4. I used to use straps until I watched Andy Bolton dead 1000+ pounds without them. After a while I was able to pull my 1RM without them.

    Just like any weakness in form or strength, be persistent in training and practicing it and it will become a strength, straps are just a short cut.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Haha..i'm teaching the muscular system this week in human bio and was looking for an old school pic of arnold as a cover page in my power point. Then I saw that and was like...yes i should!
    LOL.. GREAT pic... And as soon as i saw it, i was like "damn! no straps.... " But perhaps they didnt have straps back then... I wasn't even born when that picture was taken, but i'm gonna play "devil's advocate" and say that he wasn't wearing straps because they werent around! LOL
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Insidious1 View Post
    LOL.. GREAT pic... And as soon as i saw it, i was like "damn! no straps.... " But perhaps they didnt have straps back then... I wasn't even born when that picture was taken, but i'm gonna play "devil's advocate" and say that he wasn't wearing straps because they werent around! LOL
    Well, if Arnold didn't need 'em, neither do you.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Well, if Arnold didn't need 'em, neither do you.
    Lol, what's with the new avi Nick? I feel like that whe I think bout pizza.

    Maybe had Arnold had access to straps, Frank Zane wouldn't have beat him
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Lol, what's with the new avi Nick? I feel like that whe I think bout pizza.

    Maybe had Arnold had access to straps, Frank Zane wouldn't have beat him
    It's my bulking avi.

    Zane didn't win, Arnold let him.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    It's my bulking avi.

    Zane didn't win, Arnold let him.
    Arnie was applying the socialist practices of his homeland at the Mr. O. It all makes sense now.
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  10. I think straps are only good for multiple reps. A 1rm u should be able to handle with ur own grip strength(over under grip). I can pull 530 once without straps and barely hang on. No way could I do another rep, but with straps it would be no prob. I feel like I'm cheating but Damn it does pay off.

  11. Hey Zir, I usually deadlift with a double overhand grip since I'm doing it to help with my clean pull. My deadlift is about 50 lbs lighter with out straps, so whenever I'm doing sets of 3 or less I use straps. Do you think I should keep using straps like this or no?

  12. If you are doing it to benefit your clean pull, then don't use straps. I think you should work to improve your grip strength so it matches your deadlift strength.

    Br

  13. I've always operated under the belief that you'll only get stronger if you address your weaknesses. Avoiding them isn't going to help you get any better. If the limiting factor in your bench is your inability to keep your shoudler blades retracted, then You'd do face pulls and rows. This isn't any different. If the limiting factor in your dead lifts is your grip, then why would you avoid making it stronger? The best thing you can do for your grip is to hold heavy stuff. The best way to hold heavy stuff is it do dead lifts with no straps. I guess I don't understand making a change that's going to actually keep a weakness from getting better.

    I used to use straps when I did back stuff, to help me learn to take my arms out of the movements, but I fazed them out and now when I try to use them I find I have trouble moving the same weight. I believe this is because I was using too much arm before because they were stronger than my back muscles. My back muscles were the limiting factor in my lifts, so my arms were taking over. Straps didn't help. Doing rows helped, because the weakest muscles HAD to get stronger, since they were working the hardest on the movements.

    If you've experimented both with and without straps and know how to use them on certain exercises for your specific goals, then that's another thing, but everyone should try everything without them so they know how they'll react.

    As for the argument that bodybuilders can use them, I don't buy that. Get stronger and you'll build more muscle. That means building up your weaknesses just like a strength athlete. If you want an excuse to use straps because it lets you pull more and look cooler then go for it, but don't try to convince me that keeping part of you weak is making another part stronger.

  14. well if you see, I lift without them for as much as I can and only use them when I want to rep beyond my grip strength... slowly but surely my grip strength is improving so I see no reason to not use them on my last 1 or 2 heaviest sets.
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  15. I'm not sure why you want to build your grip slowly. How much faster would it catch up if you gave it the stimulus by dropping the straps?

    That being said, I'm sure you have a plan about how to use straps for your goals, which would put you in the category of the third paragraph in my other post;

    "If you've experimented both with and without straps and know how to use them on certain exercises for your specific goals, then that's another thing, but everyone should try everything without them so they know how they'll react."

  16. not trying to build it slowly... I am talking deadlifts only here... I lift without straps but once at a certain weight and above I can only lift with straps on a deadlift with over over. I would only use under/over for a 1 rm without straps. I would rather lift those last 2 sets of higher weight with straps then to not lift em at all or to use the same lighter weight in earlier sets.
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  17. The bottom line is, use straps so long as your biomechanics are correct. I, personally use straps for deads (being the most important back exercise and compound lift for overall mass I want to capitalize on weight) but I throw the straps back in the bag for Db rows, lat pulls, and the rest of the back workout so I can retain and build forearm and grip strength- a very imperative functional component.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by bezoe View Post
    The bottom line is, use straps so long as your biomechanics are correct. I, personally use straps for deads (being the most important back exercise and compound lift for overall mass I want to capitalize on weight) but I throw the straps back in the bag for Db rows, lat pulls, and the rest of the back workout so I can retain and build forearm and grip strength- a very imperative functional component.
    exactly... same here.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    not trying to build it slowly... I am talking deadlifts only here... I lift without straps but once at a certain weight and above I can only lift with straps on a deadlift with over over. I would only use under/over for a 1 rm without straps. I would rather lift those last 2 sets of higher weight with straps then to not lift em at all or to use the same lighter weight in earlier sets.
    Once again ill say this. You wanna do double overhand? Use a hook grip and leave the straps alone.

  20. I dont like mixed grip deads, especially with heavy weight. I feel like it puts too much torque on the radioulnar joint of the supinated forearm. Ive been told that you should rotate your torso to that side some to take the stress off but that seems unecessary and could cause injury elswhere IMO. I prefer prontated grip with both hands and I agree that you should lift without straps until grip is the limiting factor then use them.

    What exactly do you mean by hook grip?
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  21. I like double overhand, as I use the deadlift to increase my olympic lifts.

    Hook grip is great, especially if you have large hands and long fingers (I'm an ape).

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    Br

  22. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Once again ill say this. You wanna do double overhand? Use a hook grip and leave the straps alone.
    Im deadlifting today and I will give the hook grip a shot!!! thanks.. learn something everyday.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I like double overhand, as I use the deadlift to increase my olympic lifts.

    Hook grip is great, especially if you have large hands and long fingers (I'm an ape).

    http://doubleyourgains.com/why-i-dea...you-should-too

    Br
    Very interesting im gonna try this next time i dead also. There were some good points made in that article that i agree with about staggered/mixed grip causing problems
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I like double overhand, as I use the deadlift to increase my olympic lifts.

    Hook grip is great, especially if you have large hands and long fingers (I'm an ape).

    http://doubleyourgains.com/why-i-dea...you-should-too

    Br
    Chrome's giving me a malware warning for that link, Zir, you sure that site is cool?

    I have yet to figure out how to use a hook grip without it hurting my thumbs like crazy. I keep trying though...
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Chrome's giving me a malware warning for that link, Zir, you sure that site is cool?

    I have yet to figure out how to use a hook grip without it hurting my thumbs like crazy. I keep trying though...
    I actually got one too. the article on the site is good, as is the description. I found via a google image search when i was looking for soemthing to include as a hookgrip demo

    Br
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