X2 on the pants deal. I have to get 36 with a 33 in. waist. Seems as thought clothes these days are made for the people that dont eat and have no muscle mass. I consulted my buddy about briefs and he said the same thing. He said useing them is great if you can get them on. He has a few of his buddies basically give him a big wedgie...2 people grab em and lift em. He said if i can get them on by myself or even with the help of my wife, that he will give me $100. Volcom, could u pm me your quad measurement and brief size u tried so i can get a better understanding of sizeing? or you could always post it here if comfortable...or just not tell me at all.