- 09-23-2009, 07:49 AM
I have obviously seen the topic of cortisol control quite often while searching the threads here. Whether it be discussed in pct for muscle preservation, while cutting or in general, it seems to be discussed quite frequently and is obviously important for many reasons. Thats why this article in Men's Health caught my eye. Please don't flame me for this, it get's boring on an ambulance all day.
" Q: The ads claim that cortisol reducers will help shed fat. Will they?
A: Nope. Don't waste your money on anticortisol supplements. The weight-cortisol link is rooted in the 1980 study in which researchers saw a correlation between higher body weight and increased output of cortisol in urine. From that data, it's convenient to assume (and market) that cortisol is a cause of belly fat. Problem is, no research shows that high cortisol levels increase fat. Sure, obese folks will have more cortisol in their urine, but they won't in their blood, where it counts. In fact, high blood-cortisol levels can be a side effect of fat loss. In a recent U.S. Army study, soldiers on a rigorous training regimen saw their cortisol spike while their fat mass dropped 50%.
Nutritionist in Thousand Oaks, CA"
Now, that being said, I didn't see any references listed and I know nothing about the man or his reputation, but I did find the article interesting and I'd like to know what anyone else thinks about it. Obviously the article is in relation to fat loss products,but if his theory is correct, and I quote, "Don't waste your money on anticortisol supplements.", do you believe that would possibly have applications in pct anti-cortisol products and how they are used, or do you think the guy is totally off all together?
- 09-23-2009, 06:21 PM
Well he did say that Army soldiers had high levels of cortisol due to rigorous exercise. So aside from the fat loss question, if you train rigorously and regularly you will have higher cortisol. So if the products at least do what they claim and lower cortisol, then I would say it is worth it.
- 09-25-2009, 07:23 PM
I appreciate the response youngandfree and I see what you're saying. I just can't help but wonder sometimes if all the mechanisms that are working in our bodies in response to stress, training, diet etc. are not what's best for our bodies but instead we take chemicals to supress them just to maximize short term gains when long term health could be at risk. If messing with test/est levels is such a delicate balance, and I believe that it is, isn't messing with cortisol, insulin etc just as risky. I guess my point is, that although the soldiers trained rigourously and had higher cortisol levels they still lost weight (according to the study) . So how do we know that it is necessarily a good thing to lower cortisol for maximizing gains during pct? Everything I have read about the subject has come off of AM. I have never participated in or conducted an independent study so I have to take EVERYTHING at face value. I'm just trying to keep an open mind I guess and think outside the box. I'm not trying to be contrary I promise, I just want to fully understand what the hell it is that I'm about to put in my body. Again, thank you for the response.
09-25-2009, 07:28 PM
Alan Aragon is a well-respected mind and used to be a frequent poster here on AM; I would take his words worth some weight.
09-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Fat has it's own cortisol that will not show up on a blood test. Inhibiting the enzyme that converts cortisone to cortisol (17b-HSD type1) locally leads to impressive fat loss for many. Growth hormone has its own effect on the enzyme and that is why it affects fat loss greatly.
Still, cortisol is needed in fat tissue to have the fat released from the cells. Hence you want it in a good range, not high and not low.
09-25-2009, 08:28 PM
09-27-2009, 12:17 AM
Topical 7-oxo dhea is giving me some nice size while keeping off fat... not really perfectly on topic but still interesting
09-27-2009, 09:58 AM
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09-28-2009, 11:00 PM
No matter what all three of those groups notice little from 95% of supplements for very different reasons. I agree with you that most supps are bull-poop but I find some useful.
09-29-2009, 12:25 AM
09-29-2009, 11:11 AM
That was interesting Cerberus. Thank you. I gathered from that article that anti-cort products for just the average, active person shouldn't be necessary. Does it change the common consensus that anti-corts should be used during pct in your/ anyone's opinion? Has anyone used anti-corts during pct in one cycle and not in others? If so, was a huge difference noted?
09-29-2009, 11:58 AM
i am using topical 7-oxo dhea from ForceofGreen labs with their formestane and the combo simply works. I didn't believe in it but something very good is going on, I am not gaining fat and my lifts are up.
09-30-2009, 07:30 AM
09-30-2009, 10:10 AM
The difference is that he is using the transdermal 7-oxo (7-keto) which has a much more pronounced effect on fat loss, especially in the abdominal area. I am using Suppress-C currently and I am leaning out visibly by the day.
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10-03-2009, 08:41 AM
Just a quick question, (a yes or no will do, please don't "search flame" me).......After using an anti-cort product, after discontinuation, is there a possibility for rebound cortisol production? . I only have 4hrs credit of college AnP so I'm definetly cool with someone dumbing it down for me. I only ask because it seems like that could make sense given the negative feedback loop, etc and the way test and estr work together. On the same note, is there a hormone that acts inversely or proportionatly to cortisol production or reduction ( with or without exogenous sources) in a similiar manner? Thank you guys for all of your time.
10-03-2009, 08:51 AM
10-03-2009, 09:51 AM
I'd say it's very unlikely. Coritsol has so many functions in the body and is affected by so many other hormones that it would most likely go right back where it was. That may also mean that some of the fat will come back but such is the nature of things.
10-03-2009, 09:58 PM
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10-05-2009, 10:00 AM
Thank you for all of the responses. I really do appreciate it. It's amazing how complicated the human body is. I've done an Andro cycle, SD cycle, and a SD/PP cycle all more than 3 years ago. I've got this one bottle of Epi and I promised myself that I wouldn't do it as haphazardly as I have in the past. I've been reading and trying to learn and I swear, that bottle of Epi scares the piss out of me now that I am older. I'm starting to feel wary of all the supplements that I used to use with reckless abandon. With age comes with wisdom I guess........ and health problems, doctors, harder work. Sheeeesh. Again, thanks guys.
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