100's where not to bad. 110's where a pain. I can't wait for 120's.
you guys do 100lbs for incline shoulder press? you've got to be kiddng me
guess what i do is more of a military press with a very slight incline back. not near like an incline bench though, between incline bench and straight up. its brutal with 70's. can't imagine anyone under 230lbs doing 100's for that
This is how I look at it guys, You can use dumbells and get strong at them and of course any adaptation will obviously result in an increase muscle mass unless neurological adaptation ocurrs. Now when you start getting to heavy DB, 80-100 or more, there will be a problem taxing your muscles because you will give up before even hitting the muscle properly , whys that? cause ur already fatigued from lifting those heavy dumbells already, so for me Barbell would be the reason to keep going slowly but surely , and you can destroy it because there is no limit as to how much amount of weight you can put into a barbell unlike dumbells.
I'm up to using the 110's for flat bench dumbells. I just keep them againsed my chest and then lean back and I never have to swing them. Now Incline is a different story....aarrgg!!!!
I have never done 110's for a shoulder press (don't care for them). A guy at my gym that is about 180 does them though. Have done 110's inc followed by 110's on the flat bench. But right now I am useing the barbell for my inc bench. I will switch back to DB's here in a few weeks to change things up. Or might just add inc flys into my workout. Who's knows. Also the guy I workout with who is 46 does the same weight.
I'm ok for about 130's on Incline bench.
Once I get over that... It becomes a struggle to get the weight up from the knees.
I agree on DB Shoulder Presses... slightly less than 90 - murder.
When it comes to Shoulder Presses... I still prefer BB for that. Load'er up and let have it.
It's good to use a combo of both DBs & BB. I prefer BB incline & decline, but DB flat bench. I don't think one is better, but you do get a better ROm with DBs. I totally eliminated flat BB bench over a year ago, & my shoulders/joints have never felt better. I do mostly incline now & my chest has developed much better than it ever did using flat bench. I still do DB flat about once a month, but never touch BB.
I have been using almost exclusively BB lately because my ****ty gym got rid of all DBs over 85lbs. So now I'm limited to flyes only, or I can incline press the 85s if I pre-exhaust the crap out my pecs first.
Ditto this.Originally Posted by Longdog
I haven't seen a flat bench - for either BB or Db purposes - in well over a year+.
I stick to HS Flat Macvhine Presses as a replacement. More weight, better ROM, peak contractions and static holds. Nice.
House brings up a good predicament I've been having. I prefer db's for my presses as well, but I also vary my workouts every other week. I have moved to a different state and have lost my workout partner which means no spotter for my forced reps and is also another reason I like the DB's better. If I'm doing forced reps and get stuck it is much easier to get out from under DB's than it is to sit there with a BB on your chest. Are hammer strength press machines a good equivelent? I never really used them much in the past because I was always told machines do not stack up to free weights. I know HS machines are a bit different than cables, but again was told to avoid machines as much as possible. So I switch the question from DB or BB to HS or BB? I know, I know, everyone is different, but I was just curious how much the differences of opinion vary.
Well....if you are a bodybuilder there are many ways to skin a cat.Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge
Machines are not bad. Especially if your form is spot, contractions are tight and intentisty high.
I wouldn't dare use them as a means to build overall strength but for muscle? I got no problem with that.
Originally Posted by Onslaught
no not at all; i just think it was wrong to say that inclines targeted the pec minor... a lot of people assume the pec minor is the top of the pec itself; which it isnt...
decline presses and dips work the chest the best; i've found this out over time...
my chast day alternates DB barbell and has an incline variation each day too, personally i find DB excercises (shoulder press too) do a lot to strengthen the synergistic pressing muscles in the shoulder and give you a far stronger bench and better overall upper arm and chest development.
Hard to get into position for heavy presses tho, 100lb DB's can do a lot of damage if your shoulder gives out.
Flys and pullovers are what adds size to my chest much more so then presses. And I had a delt injury for some time and presses, especially incline were abosulute hell for me. But as already mentioned, I can incline press with 110 DBs... getting them up without a spotter is a workout in it's self haha. I hit a plateau some time ago and what got me past it was negatives, I LOVE negatives.
Dumbells for me hands down. Full range of motion is the biggest reason. It also allows you to cheat a litte and incorporate the entire chest once youve burnt out the majore pec muslces. Barbells are far too restrictive for flat IMO but good for your incline and declne presses.
You cant favour one side also as you can sometimes do with a barbell so it makes for even gains on both sides of you body.
I like the fact that you can also just dump the weights when your done so you dont really need a spotter.
dump the weights.... do that at my gym and you get kicked out haha. Its my college gym.