What gave you the most PURE hypertrophy from experience?
- 08-22-2004, 08:12 PM
The fastest strength increase for me was while using a heavy duty type program. My rep range was between 12-15 with only 4 sets per week for each muscle. I was also using machines and no free weights because i was training along taking each set to failure. Do you think that strength increase was do to sarcoplasmic hyertrophy or increased nerve function because i didn't gain any size? I wasn't checking strength increases but when a friend of mine was benching and asked me for help,i thought i'd see what my max was and i was surprised to see my bench jump 30lbs in just a few weeks. I was natural at that time and was no where close to my max muscular weight. I wasn't training to failure before the HD workout and i thought it was just the increased intensity that did it...... If two guys were to train with reps ranges from 15-20 but only one guy took his sets to failure,what would be the outcome as far as results?
- 08-23-2004, 06:47 AM
I think you didnt increase in mass with your only 4 sets per muscle 15-20 reps because the total time under tension and isnt high enough to promote muscle growth. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is more gear for fatigue, so you need to do a high total work (law of physic).
I could be wrong, but only 4 sets for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy isnt enough.
08-23-2004, 07:49 AM
So,my guess is that the increased strength came from increase nerve function because each set was taken to failure. I don't mind that. All i want is about 10-15 more lbs of muscle and functional strength for every day activities(job mostly).Originally Posted by Chunky
08-23-2004, 05:39 PM
My advice would be to make a training program with periodization. I dont know if its in this thread that I put the reference of Lyle McDonald article, but take a good read at it :
I rearrange my program, and since then, I gain about 4 lbs of muscle without an once of my stomach. It doesnt mean a lot, but since I did the pretty same thing all past year (or about the same), I wish some change because I didnt gain as much mass as I wanted, but now Im confident that I will be successful.
08-23-2004, 07:00 PM
Yeah,John Parrillo recommened starting off training like a power lifter does and ending with training the way a BBer does..... Tom PLatz recommened Micro periodization all squeezzed into 1 week intervals.... I change my workout probably more than anyone here mainly because i get bored very fast :-) I'm going to stick with reps above 12 right now,take each set close to failure,and shorten my rest periods alot. I think that will get me what i'm looking for right now. I'll see where i'm going to go from there.Originally Posted by Chunky
10-02-2004, 01:51 PM
Yes, sir... That shortened rest will cause a good deal of GH release. If you combine that with high-GI carbs IMMEDIATELY post-workout, you'll get insulin right when your GH is high, which, of course, as everyone knows, will let your liver turn your GH into all-precious IGF-1.Originally Posted by Manwhore
That's the key, IMO.
10-03-2004, 07:51 PM
Well,since the baby,the only rest i've been short on is my nights rest :-) He's starting to sleep more at night,so i'm thinking of starting a workout again. Right now i'm thinking of sticking with Mentzers HD. Who knows what i'll want to do next week :-) As long as i start some kind of workout,i'll feel much better. I have a pretty healthy diet but my belly isn't looking too good these days.Originally Posted by LunaHotel
11-03-2004, 12:03 PM
I'm not sure static holds are always a good idea, or should I say, they might be a complete waste of time. If you're doing skull crushers for example, when you are at the finished position the wieght is being held mostly by bone on bone contact. Perhaps something with constant tension this would be effective, but not for everything.Originally Posted by wardog
11-14-2004, 03:21 PM
For me, anywhere from 4-8 reps, about two minutes rest and always striving to add weight when I could.
04-28-2005, 03:20 PM
05-15-2005, 07:28 PM
yep it's definately only for "certain" exercises. static holds on wide grip lat pulldowns have done wonders for me, also, any good formed db press, bb curls, military, and there are others. it definately has its place!Originally Posted by skoal
07-02-2005, 12:07 PM
Well a static at the complete top for any pressing movement would be useless. The same goes for squats, leg presses, etc. That's not how statics are done though. Done correctly you would unlock the associated joint therefore forcing the muscles to hold the weight. Try skull crushers at the upper 2/3 of the movement with loads of weight on and I assure you that you will feel differently.Originally Posted by skoal
08-19-2005, 07:54 PM
The best thing I ever used for pure mass was a workout system by Leo Costa called Big Beyond Belief. I'm sure a few of you have heard of it. This came out almost 10 years ago.
08-19-2005, 09:34 PM
It's true, that program kicked serious ass, including MINE. Hey did you do the 2x a day, 6 days a week one? It is SICK.
08-20-2005, 06:26 PM
08-20-2005, 09:09 PM
You wouldn't happen to have a pdf version of that kicking around would you? I remember the program being in the mags years ago but it seemed to have died off rather quickly.Originally Posted by andro69
08-22-2005, 04:27 AM
Sorry, wish I did. I haven't seen the book in like 5 years so I couldn't give an accurate description of it.Originally Posted by Gethuge
10-03-2005, 10:35 PM
The way I remember it, there was a lot of "recall" work. That is, say on day 1 you do legs, then on day 2 you have a few sets of legs, and on day 3 also. None on day 4. But it was way more complicated that that. Loved it. Would love to do it again for a bulking cycle in the future.
10-05-2005, 05:02 PM
I know this is alot to ask you to do but could you describe the 4 day program to the best of your memory?Originally Posted by andro69
10-08-2005, 02:34 PM
From what I can remember it was something like this-Originally Posted by Gethuge
Day1-3 sets, 13-15 reps, 90 sec between sets, legs, back, biceps
Day2-same as above but chest, delts, tris
Day3-3 sets thighs, back, chest. 2 sets delts, bi's, tri's, 10-12 reps 120 sec between sets.
Day4-same sets as day 3 but reps are 5-7 and 3 minutes rest between sets.
Calves and abs were somewhere in there but can't remember where. I'm sure this isn't accurate, just what I vaguely remember.
10-09-2005, 07:27 AM
For me it really depends on the muscle group. My bi's respond best with 8-12, my tris between 4-8, chest is pretty much anything under 10, hams 2-8... It really is all over the place. I don't think one can say 'oh this rep range is the best' becuase each muscle responds slightly differently in my experience.
04-04-2006, 02:47 PM
I've always mixed it up 6 weeks heavy low reps then 6 weeks supersets 6 weeks of medium reps heavy weights more rest the 6 weeks max reps medium weight anything up to 100 rep sets on legs. BIOHAZARD method kill. I agree with the above about negatives really work but have to recover 100% after.
08-07-2006, 09:21 PM
10-17-2006, 02:16 PM
i split mine up. for 6 weeks i'll do 5 sets of 20 reps for each exercise, and then 6 weeks of 3-4 sets of 8 reps. Using this combo, I've grown in size and strength better than I have with anything else. Experimentation is key.
10-17-2006, 03:54 PM
I definately gotta say that the best mass building lifting program is GVT training. Look at Charles Poliquin's article on bb.com I found it to be pretty good and I gained a good amount of mass on it.
However I gained pretty much no strength, but that may not be a problem for you.
10-22-2006, 08:07 PM
I am in my Third week of Max-OT, and I am very pleased thus far. I am already beginning to see changes in strength.
11-02-2006, 09:01 AM
8-12 reps 12 sets per muscle group
split routine,working each muscle group twice a week but its hard work
11-10-2006, 12:01 AM
I dont overanalyze it.
I use heavy weights... keep my sets between 4-8 per bodypart.
Reps between 4-10...
Going to failure, beyond failure or within one rep.
Bodyparts between 1-2 times per week or so.
02-19-2008, 01:28 PM
I've always found that a set rep range, and trying to reach positive failure within that range, works best for me. Right now for most of my lifts my rep range is 6-8. I'm usually trying to hit 6-7, but the rule goes, if I can do more than 8 reps, I add weight, and if I can't do at least 6 reps, I reduce the weight. When I think I'm ready, I'll add weight the next week. As long as my diet is in order, I see pretty good results with this. As far as rest periods, they probably average 2-3 minutes depending on what lift I'm doing. I take about 3 minute breaks when I'm doing really heavy lifts.
04-25-2008, 08:47 PM
For myself when strength goes up - I grow. Simple as that. These days a lot of well known trainers really put emphasis on form over weight, not a balance between the two. Guys like Charles Glass, Milos Sarcev are just a couple but the fact is to get big you need to move around some heavy weight. You don't see the pros squatting 225 lbs doing 3 second negatives, you see them move heavy weights with a relatively fast cadence. Heavy weight is ultimately the best way to persuade muscle to grow. Keeping good form is a necessity, but I see some vids of massive guys doing side raises with 20lbs DB saying form is everything, you don't need heavy weights.... bull****.. they didn't get to looking like that with ****ing 20lbs DBs. That's my 2 cents on it anyway. You can still lift heavy weight and keep good form am I not saying forfeit form for weight at all.
the main focus of ANY program should be adding weight to all lifts.
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