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    By increasing oxygen do you increase RBC count or just WBC?

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    http://www.hypoxico.com/client.htm Depending on the cost and http://www.oxyhealth.com/solace-210.html depending on the cost.
    Just spoke to another doctor about this today. This is what he said about both.

    "Yes, many athletes are now using the hyperbaric chambers for Recovery purposes as well as the hypobaric chamber.
    - The HYPERBARIC chamber is not used for increasing RBC, the chamber increases White Blood Cells [also very important].
    - It is the HYPOBARIC chamber that increases RBC. Just as important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    By increasing oxygen do you increase RBC count or just WBC?
    You would have to increase both. The RBC must be increased because 1 hemoglobin molecule can only bind 4 oxygen molecules. Thus, if RBC increases, WBC must also increase do keep the hematocrit in balance.
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    Should I get both macines or just the hypo. The hyper baric increases WBC and looks like the hypo increases RBC. Also I read the hyper will help with healing of my injury with my rotator cuff.
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    Getting both I decided
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    Getting both I decided
    Jesus.... you just have an extra $20,000 lying around?
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    I do work in a Doctors office so I do get paid fairly well endless people go with generics but other than that yea. Have you seen some of my threads. I have spent money to see if something works. Heck I just bought progenex at 250 bucks or something to see if it works.
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    I cant imagine being in a machine that deprives me of oxygen. That does NOT sound like fun.

    Hey DJ, Its really none of my business, but If ya got that kind of $$ laying around, why are you thinking of messing with CJC instead of just getting HGH? (at least I think it was you that was thinking about getting CJC... disregard if I'm wrong)
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    Connivence I like the fact that you only need to do it once a week. Personal preference Plus the less things I an have in my room the better. My room mate situation is funkey as you can see my old posts about it.
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    http://www.io-nz.com/files/io%20Rese...se%20Study.pdf also shows it works. As a example.
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    It's not like more oxygen is always better. The levels in the air right now are about what we need (obviously ). You have to also keep in mind that the human body needs oxygen and carbon dioxide in certain balances to maintain the correct blood pH. Too much of either is a bad thing. I'm sure there are studies going on showing certain results concerning altered levels of both and their effect on athletic performance (for good or bad), but I think it would be for the sake of shooting the **** about and nothing more, in my opinion.
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    io-nz.com/questions/how Josh watch the clip and see a example of why more RBC is good for us. Its like going from a 4 lane high way to a 6 lane high way with the altitude chamber. Than with hyperbaric chamber its like adding the very fast cars to run on the 6 lane high way vs a 4 way high way. A lot more efficient. Not sure if my analogy is clear but they both work synergistically together.
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    Too many RBC's and you run into problems. I forget what the condition is called, but basically your blood is too thick. BP gets high, etc. and can lead to stroke and heart attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    io-nz.com/questions/how Josh watch the clip and see a example of why more RBC is good for us. Its like going from a 4 lane high way to a 6 lane high way with the altitude chamber. Than with hyperbaric chamber its like adding the very fast cars to run on the 6 lane high way vs a 4 way high way. A lot more efficient. Not sure if my analogy is clear but they both work synergistically together.
    Oh yeah, I'm sure there are benefits to all of that. I'm no stranger to human physiology, so it makes good sense. I don't know if it's practical though, as far as something like that becoming readily available to people like me. Now if that happens...
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    Lot of the guys in UFC are doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwolfWV View Post
    Too many RBC's and you run into problems. I forget what the condition is called, but basically your blood is too thick. BP gets high, etc. and can lead to stroke and heart attack.

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    any way to naturally increase RBC count??
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    If you get the hypobaric chamber can I come over and play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightemup View Post
    any way to naturally increase RBC count??

    Aerobic exersize at high altitudes.
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    Complete reps of exercises on held breathes.

    I like doing hypoxic swimming drills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    If you get the hypobaric chamber can I come over and play?

    I am in Cali. Where are you located? I am going to set it up in my office.
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    In a normal healthy body, red blood cells deliver oxygen to the tissues, including all the muscles. This oxygen is used by the mitochondria in the muscle cells to convert carbohydrates and fats into energy. At high altitude, less oxygen is available for use by the body. The body compensates by increasing the number of blood vessels and red blood cells. The increased red blood cells and capillaries allow more oxygen to be delivered to the body’s cells.

    Extensive research into the high-altitude adaptation response reveals that it results in the kidneys producing erythropoietin (EPO), a hormone that up-regulates red blood cell (RBC) production. This increase provides more oxygen available to the target cells. Additionally, high-altitude conditioning has been proven to increase the number of capillaries, providing more surface area for oxygen exchange.
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    The process is expected to remove the lactic acid, bradykinin, other toxins, and dead or injured cell parts built up during physical exertion. Flushing of such waste products may explain the claim by certain users of significantly enhanced ‘recovery’ after workouts, competition, or injury. Any level of exercise into the anaerobic range produces quantities of waste material (most notably, lactic acid). Very dramatic pressure changes create a squeezing and expanding action; or ‘total-body vasopneumatic compression’ (TBVPC). It is an accepted physiological mechanism that pressure changes are a stimulus that causes more fluid to be returned to the heart; this is also known as pressure diuresis. The increase in blood volume results in an increase in pressure in the atria; thereby triggering the production of alpha-atrial natriuretic peptide (ANP), which causes the kidneys to remove excess fluid through increased urine production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    I am in Cali. Where are you located? I am going to set it up in my office.
    Damnit. The military just moved me to D.C. in Oct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    In a normal healthy body, red blood cells deliver oxygen to the tissues, including all the muscles. This oxygen is used by the mitochondria in the muscle cells to convert carbohydrates and fats into energy. At high altitude, less oxygen is available for use by the body. The body compensates by increasing the number of blood vessels and red blood cells. The increased red blood cells and capillaries allow more oxygen to be delivered to the body’s cells.

    Extensive research into the high-altitude adaptation response reveals that it results in the kidneys producing erythropoietin (EPO), a hormone that up-regulates red blood cell (RBC) production. This increase provides more oxygen available to the target cells. Additionally, high-altitude conditioning has been proven to increase the number of capillaries, providing more surface area for oxygen exchange.

    The reason for this is simple. There is less oxygen available at higher elevations. This is why it is possible to recreate this at lower elevations via hypoxic drills in exercise. However, the body liking to maintain homeostasis will readjust itself not too long after returning from elevation. It's not permanent. This also means that you would need to run hypoxic drill often. Not just one day a week. I love swimming hypoxics, but doing with weights is possible as well. Use lower weights and go for endurance. Take a weight that you can squat easily and perform 1 rep, breathe; two reps breathe; 3 reps, breathe; etc. You pyramid up then back down. Big compound movements seem to be best. Have a partner, take it easy at first work your self up. Be safe. On a good day I can pyramid up to 12 strokes between breathes while swimming 50m laps.
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    ok so if a ran while only breathing through my nose and restricted my oxygen intake to the point where i felt very winded it would increase my RBC? sort of the same thing to holding your breath during reps right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightemup View Post
    ok so if a ran while only breathing through my nose and restricted my oxygen intake to the point where i felt very winded it would increase my RBC? sort of the same thing to holding your breath during reps right??
    Prolly wouldn't quite work. I breath in through my nose as it is when I run and get plenty of oxygen. However, Wanderlei Silva often trains with a snorkel to reduce is O2 intake. Which I believe does effectively hit the target.

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    alright i get it now. thanks man
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    Nice way to put it. This is awesome. I hope enough people use my service at my office so I can comp it back over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwolfWV View Post
    Too many RBC's and you run into problems. I forget what the condition is called, but basically your blood is too thick. BP gets high, etc. and can lead to stroke and heart attack.
    Let me address about RBC buildup and potential health issues. This is a valid concern with individuals blood doping or living in higher elevations, but it is not as large of one with our technology. The technology in hypoxico allows the creation of RBC's in a safe and natural manner. It takes 3 months for the RBC to mature, which gives adequate time for the body to adapt to the addition by creating additional capillary's etc. This becomes a problem with blood doping as individuals un-naturally increase RBC's immediately without giving the body time to adjust. Unlike at being at altitude, the air pressure is at sea level. This is important, because as your rise in altitude the air pressure lessens. When the pressure lessens, valuable body water % lowers - escaping through your largest organ - the skin. When your body water percentage drops, this makes your RBC more concentrated and will cause it to thicken. This may lead to potential health complications.
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    For hypoxic training purposes its ok though right?? how many times would one be safe at to practice this??
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    UFC trainers train months at a time with this method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightemup View Post
    For hypoxic training purposes its ok though right?? how many times would one be safe at to practice this??

    You can run hypoxic drills a couple times a week indefinitely. Don't make every workout hypoxic though. If nothing else you will be limiting your ability to excel at other exercises methods. I swim hypoxic drills 3 times a week. It mos def helps with my endurance in swimming, running and fitness overall.
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