EvoMuse Presents: KetoInduce Ultimate

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  1. Will buy some more stuff I haven't tried after they come back in stock😁


  2. I'm interested. Liked the original ketoinduce
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  3. Looking forward to this. Will the betas on this be available next week ?

    Thanks

  4. Any updates on when new betas being may be available ?

  5. Doing them this week, with a MCT Evolved experiment that should turn that into a potent morning keto booster.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Doing them this week, with a MCT Evolved experiment that should turn that into a potent morning keto booster.
    Very interested
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  7. The MCT project is proving to be a bit more complex than anticipated, but KetoInduce upgrade should only take a couple of weeks until release.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    The MCT project is proving to be a bit more complex than anticipated, but KetoInduce upgrade should only take a couple of weeks until release.
    Any hints on what's being upgraded with formula ? I did like the original but your upgrades are always welcome

  9. Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post
    Any hints on what's being upgraded with formula ? I did like the original but your upgrades are always welcome
    Let's just say that I missed a very potent pathway that goes along with ketosis like peanut butter and jelly. The combination will make the product far more effective.

    Don't worry, you won't have to wait long.
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  10. Here's a small hint:

    Epilepsia. 2017 May;58(5):893-900. doi: 10.1111/epi.13729. Epub 2017 Apr 3.
    An examination of biochemical parameters and their association with response to ketogenic dietary therapies.
    Schoeler NE1,2, Bell G3, Yuen A3, Kapelner AD4, Heales SJR5,6,7, Cross JH1,8,9, Sisodiya S2,3.
    Author information
    Abstract
    OBJECTIVE:

    In the absence of specific metabolic disorders, accurate predictors of response to ketogenic dietary therapies (KDTs) for treating epilepsy are largely unknown. We hypothesized that specific biochemical parameters would be associated with the effectiveness of KDT in humans with epilepsy. The parameters tested were β-hydroxybutyrate, acetoacetate, nonesterified fatty acids, free and acylcarnitine profile, glucose, and glucose-ketone index (GKI).
    METHODS:

    Biochemical results from routine blood tests conducted at baseline prior to initiation of KDT and at 3-month follow-up were obtained from 13 adults and 215 children with KDT response data from participating centers. One hundred thirty-two (57%) of 228 participants had some data at both baseline and 3 months; 52 (23%) of 228 had data only at baseline; 22 (10%) of 228 had data only at 3 months; and 22 (10%) of 228 had no data. KDT response was defined as ≥50% seizure reduction at 3-month follow-up.
    RESULTS:

    Acetyl carnitine at baseline was significantly higher in responders (p < 0.007). It was not associated with response at 3-month follow-up. There was a trend for higher levels of free carnitine and other acylcarnitine esters at baseline and at 3-month follow-up in KDT responders. There was also a trend for greater differences in levels of propionyl carnitine and in β-hydroxybutyrate measured at baseline and 3-month follow-up in KDT responders. No other biochemical parameters were associated with response at any time point.
    SIGNIFICANCE:

    Our finding that certain carnitine fractions, in particular baseline acetyl carnitine, are positively associated with greater efficacy of KDT is consistent with the theory that alterations in energy metabolism may play a role in the mechanisms of action of KDT.

    Wiley Periodicals, Inc. © 2017 International League Against Epilepsy.
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    Is this close enough for possible eta ?

    Thanks

  12. eta??
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  13. Still missing the one ingredient.
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  14. Found yet?
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  15. I have half tub of OG KI left. Has anyone taken pre bed, then again in AM pre workout or cardio? Any benefit?
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    Received beta V2 going to start it tomorrow opened it and it’s brown in color is that correct ? Only asking as original was white

    Thanks

  17. Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post
    Received beta V2 going to start it tomorrow opened it and it’s brown in color is that correct ? Only asking as original was white

    Thanks
    Correct. The Sesamin content is brown.
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  18. Got mine in, taste isnt that great at all, definitly worse than the regular lol.

    It has the old label on it too, whats the new ingredient panel?

  19. Glad I waited lol. I wanted to grab the new beta, however the first version was not so tasty. Will probably wait till flavor is dialed in.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Drakee View Post
    Got mine in, taste isnt that great at all, definitly worse than the regular lol.

    It has the old label on it too, whats the new ingredient panel?
    The old panel is being used until the new version is complete - so waiting on a few more people to report back the effects. I'm having better luck with the Strafe Melon-Cantaloupe flavor, so I might use that instead of the OP.

    New ingredients added for this version are Propionyl-L-Carnitine, Sesamin Extract, and methylcellulose to counteract the caking/hygroscopy caused by the PLCAR.

    I made another advance on Sunday, and the ingredients are on the way for testing. The newest upgrade drives fatty acid based nutrients through beta-oxidation to form (along with the Propionate group from the PLCAR) endogenous ketones, further priming the pump for the body to use fatty acid stores (as well as freed fatty acids from the PPAR-a activation) to trigger endogenous ketonsis, as well as preventing sympathetic nervous system shutdown from the exogenous ketones, leaving the metabolism humming.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    The old panel is being used until the new version is complete - so waiting on a few more people to report back the effects. I'm having better luck with the Strafe Melon-Cantaloupe flavor, so I might use that instead of the OP.

    New ingredients added for this version are Propionyl-L-Carnitine, Sesamin Extract, and methylcellulose to counteract the caking/hygroscopy caused by the PLCAR.

    I made another advance on Sunday, and the ingredients are on the way for testing. The newest upgrade drives fatty acid based nutrients through beta-oxidation to form (along with the Propionate group from the PLCAR) endogenous ketones, further priming the pump for the body to use fatty acid stores (as well as freed fatty acids from the PPAR-a activation) to trigger endogenous ketonsis, as well as preventing sympathetic nervous system shutdown from the exogenous ketones, leaving the metabolism humming.
    Sounds awesome. When will this be available would you estimate?

    Also, I'm on 82.25mg nature-throid, and I've read the studies on carnitine preventing hyperthyroidism by blocking thyroid hormone uptake. All over the interwebs there's people recommending those of us on thyroid meds for hypothyroidism to avoid
    Carnitine because it could prevent the uptake in us as well. Any thoughts on that? I have a ton of carnitine fumarate sitting here and all forms of carnitine are in many products I love to use including yours. Just wondering if you'd agree with that caution or not.
    Link is here to the study I mentioned:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15591013/

  22. Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachineX View Post
    Sounds awesome. When will this be available would you estimate?

    Also, I'm on 82.25mg nature-throid, and I've read the studies on carnitine preventing hyperthyroidism by blocking thyroid hormone uptake. All over the interwebs there's people recommending those of us on thyroid meds for hypothyroidism to avoid
    Carnitine because it could prevent the uptake in us as well. Any thoughts on that? I have a ton of carnitine fumarate sitting here and all forms of carnitine are in many products I love to use including yours. Just wondering if you'd agree with that caution or not.
    Link is here to the study I mentioned:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15591013/
    The study cited further cites the original study showing tissue specificity in hepatocytes, some neurons, and fibroblasts. Are you taking the thyroid to enhance fat loss?
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    The study cited further cites the original study showing tissue specificity in hepatocytes, some neurons, and fibroblasts. Are you taking the thyroid to enhance fat loss?
    No, for treatment of hypothyroidism. The fibroblasts is a little concerning since there's also some research regarding thyroid hormone in tendon healing and/or injury. Here's a link to that:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3838329/

    Edit: My understanding of all this is limited, so I definitely appreciate it!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachineX View Post
    No, for treatment of hypothyroidism. The fibroblasts is a little concerning since there's also some research regarding thyroid hormone in tendon healing and/or injury. Here's a link to that:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3838329/

    Edit: My understanding of all this is limited, so I definitely appreciate it!
    Anymore thoughts on this?

  25. I did look a bit into this. They use multigram dosages, and it appears to work peripherally, rather than centrally. Hyperthyroid can also cause increased flux through the CPT pathways, and potential deplete carnitine stores. This study notes the use of carnitine to minimize hyperthyroid symptoms...

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1....1320.015/full
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