KetoForce- Patrick Arnold does it again.....and how!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I'm more interested in the endurance effects than anything else. Strength is great but I'm not really training for that. For the money I hope the product really brings on dramatic changes.
    Yes the amazing part was the stamina perhaps you missed me saying I was neverf winded. I am usually holding my sides and breathing like I finished a marathon after a squat routine like that one
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  2. Very interested in this post show as I will still be following a keto diet for a 4 week bulking phase before going back into an 8 week prep.
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  3. I need help finding people or websites or message boards to spread the news about ketoforce to. Places that are about ketogenic diet, low carb diet, paleo diet etc.

    Thanks
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Oh, and I've used it twice, both on leg days and I've had the two best leg days of my life. I set pr's left and right today. I stacked the KetoForce with COP and TAA and it was like hooking up a super charger. Finally broke the 500lb barrier with a triple today and my squat routine lasted 45 min and didn't rest more than 1.5 min between sets and was never winded. I finished with 2 x 405 x 10 and could have gone longer...the way my legs feel at the moment ...its a good thing I didn't ....its a good pain
    And you are on a strict Keto-diet? No carb-ups?

    It is suggested that this product be consumed during the initial stages of a ketogenic diet (three times a day for first 2-3 days)
    30ml x 3 times a day?

    and then 30ml before workouts?

    to accelerate ketosis and ease metabolic transition.
    How does it accelerate ketosis?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by HITFrank View Post
    And you are on a strict Keto-diet? No carb-ups?



    30ml x 3 times a day?

    and then 30ml before workouts?



    How does it accelerate ketosis?

    I think its best used for preworkout, especially if you are on a keto diet.

    It puts you in an artificial ketosis. You are ingesting ketones rather than relying on your body to make them. Since ketones are your bodies super energy source when on a keto diet you want to have more of them during training so you will have more energy during training (you cant take carbs before training obviously)
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I think its best used for preworkout, especially if you are on a keto diet.

    It puts you in an artificial ketosis. You are ingesting ketones rather than relying on your body to make them. Since ketones are your bodies super energy source when on a keto diet you want to have more of them during training so you will have more energy during training (you cant take carbs before training obviously)

    How would this help get you in to ketogenesis wouldn't it just delay the depletion of carbs in the body by entering a new and temporary energy source?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post

    How would this help get you in to ketogenesis wouldn't it just delay the depletion of carbs in the body by entering a new and temporary energy source?
    I was kind of thinking the same thing. I don't quite understand this product except that it just has is burning exogenous ketones for a few hours, but why/how would that accelerate ketosis after the fact?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    How would this help get you in to ketogenesis wouldn't it just delay the depletion of carbs in the body by entering a new and temporary energy source?
    The product actually will lower blood glucose 10-15 points so I am not sure it delays depletion of carbs.

    Anyway, it is primarily being marketed as a preworkout source of caloric energy that is superior to carbs and also completely suitable for dieters who must avoid carbs
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by todd muelheim View Post
    I was kind of thinking the same thing. I don't quite understand this product except that it just has is burning exogenous ketones for a few hours, but why/how would that accelerate ketosis after the fact?

    You cant understand its utility as a preworkout supplement?

    I am not claiming it accelerates your bodies own production of ketones

    Everyone step back a second
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    The product actually will lower blood glucose 10-15 points so I am not sure it delays depletion of carbs.

    Anyway, it is primarily being marketed as a preworkout source of caloric energy that is superior to carbs and also completely suitable for dieters who must avoid carbs
    Ok thanks
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    You cant understand its utility as a preworkout supplement?

    I am not claiming it accelerates your bodies own production of ketones

    Everyone step back a second
    From my recent experiences, I am keto adjusted by the way, it is a nearly immediate energy source. Superior to carbing up and it seems to reduce my oxygen requirements substantially. I go longer and stronger and that's the truth. I'd use it every workout if I coudl afford to. I am reserving it for my high intensity days and it lets me push harder and longer than I ever have.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post

    You cant understand its utility as a preworkout supplement?

    I am not claiming it accelerates your bodies own production of ketones

    Everyone step back a second
    I think most people associate ketosis with weight loss and not performance enhancement. That might be the confusion.

  13. ketones are the fuel your body generates when you are in ketosis. KetoForse is an external supply of that fuel. A ready available source over and above what your body produces
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I need help finding people or websites or message boards to spread the news about ketoforce to. Places that are about ketogenic diet, low carb diet, paleo diet etc.

    Thanks
    PA have you considered the cross fit community, they generally seem to buy into many of the paleo concepts. There is also quite a few paleo and low carb forums out there ( caveman, lowcarb.org)

  15. Quote Originally Posted by braskibra View Post
    PA have you considered the cross fit community, they generally seem to buy into many of the paleo concepts. There is also quite a few paleo and low carb forums out there ( caveman, lowcarb.org)
    This is a great idea. Crossfit trainees would definitely benefit from this.
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  16. I ordered some. I'm just waiting to see the benefits for people who are not avoiding carbs.

    Say if I took some right before I go on a long run. Will it help me run longer? Or push out extra reps...or if not consecutive reps...more sets?

    Is it helpful injunction with carbs?

  17. I have not used it carbed up, but it would be an additional source of energy in addition to the carbs in your system. I haven't heard from anyone that has used it this way yet. But it should help with both, the running longer and pushing out more reps.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by boxer12 View Post
    I ordered some. I'm just waiting to see the benefits for people who are not avoiding carbs. Say if I took some right before I go on a long run. Will it help me run longer? Or push out extra reps...or if not consecutive reps...more sets?Is it helpful injunction with carbs?
    Wondering the same wonder on a long run (20 miles or more) when would be the best time to take. Before hand or 1 to 1-1/2 in to run?
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by todd muelheim View Post
    I think most people associate ketosis with weight loss and not performance enhancement. That might be the confusion.


    It seeems that way. People need to understand that ketones are an incredible calorie source for exercise performance,

    They dont require insulin to enter the cell, they are immediately processed,. They generate a greater amount of energy with less oxygen required, and unlike most fatty acids they can enter the brain and are an e****lent brain fuel
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post

    It seeems that way. People need to understand that ketones are an incredible calorie source for exercise performance,

    They dont require insulin to enter the cell, they are immediately processed,. They generate a greater amount of energy with less oxygen required, and unlike most fatty acids they can enter the brain and are an e****lent brain fuel
    Will they take precedence over glucose if taken by someone not on a ketogenic diet? Sry if this has been mentioned already.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    ketones are the fuel your body generates when you are in ketosis. KetoForse is an external supply of that fuel. A ready available source over and above what your body produces
    You mean like carbs or food? Holy cow a carbon source! What a concept!

    Seriously though - question: Why would someone with elevated blood sugar, or who is regularly eating carbs, want to use this? It seems like to supply exogenous ketones in excess of blood glucose is just going to shunt natural ketone production, at the very least until glycaemia is reduced. And won't the body continue to use the glucose preferentially since it's energetically more efficient?

    I mean, yes, you're artificially elevating blood ketone levels, but you're not stimulating or initiating ketogenesis are you? For that, you need glucose clearance, and this doesn't seem to dothat at all.
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  22. Why the sodium and potassium forms as opposed to, you know, another form?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by braskibra View Post
    PA have you considered the cross fit community, they generally seem to buy into many of the paleo concepts. There is also quite a few paleo and low carb forums out there ( caveman, lowcarb.org)
    I need people that are already established on these sites and in these communities. I just cant go in there as a newbie and start pimping

    do you know any candidates?
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by todd muelheim View Post
    Will they take precedence over glucose if taken by someone not on a ketogenic diet? Sry if this has been mentioned already.
    This is the question that keeps coming up. And i am going to press Dr. Dagostino for his thoughts on this.

    We do know that
    For people that have trouble processing glucose (due to insulin insenstivity, Glut4 deficiency etc) ketones serve as an e****lent alternative fuel source

    So what if you are able to metabolize glucose efficiently? Well I imagine that during intensive exercsie you may deplete glycogen reserves and at that point your body could utilize the ketones. Are ketones burned simulataneously with glucose before you reach this point? I dont know. I dont see why they wouldnt be.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    Wondering the same wonder on a long run (20 miles or more) when would be the best time to take. Before hand or 1 to 1-1/2 in to run?
    i would take some before hand and then have some to sip on during the race
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    You mean like carbs or food? Holy cow a carbon source! What a concept!

    Seriously though - question: Why would someone with elevated blood sugar, or who is regularly eating carbs, want to use this? It seems like to supply exogenous ketones in excess of blood glucose is just going to shunt natural ketone production, at the very least until glycaemia is reduced. And won't the body continue to use the glucose preferentially since it's energetically more efficient?

    I mean, yes, you're artificially elevating blood ketone levels, but you're not stimulating or initiating ketogenesis are you? For that, you need glucose clearance, and this doesn't seem to dothat at all.
    first of all, someone with elevated blood glucose who is eating carbs will not be producing ketones to begin with. And people in such a metabolic state obviously are suffering from insulin resistance and limited capacity to produce dieteary energy from glucose. For these people exogenous ketones would be very beneficial, as they can enter cells freely and generate ATP

    ketones are more energetically efficient than glucose btw, you have that backwards

    Its somewhat unrelated but this product has been shown to consistently lower blood glucose (around 10-15 points) so to say it does nothing for glucose clearance is not entirely true. However this product is not meant to stimulate your bodies production of ketones, it is merely an exogenous source of ketones. Sort of like MCTs but you can reach blood levels much higher
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    You mean like carbs or food? Holy cow a carbon source! What a concept!
    .
    yes energy substrates (like all organic compounds) are carbon based. However their role in the production of cellular energy have nothing to do with being a "carbon source"
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    first of all, someone with elevated blood glucose who is eating carbs will not be producing ketones to begin with. And people in such a metabolic state obviously are suffering from insulin resistance and limited capacity to produce dieteary energy from glucose. For these people exogenous ketones would be very beneficial, as they can enter cells freely and generate ATP

    ketones are more energetically efficient than glucose btw, you have that backwards

    Its somewhat unrelated but this product has been shown to consistently lower blood glucose (around 10-15 points) so to say it does nothing for glucose clearance is not entirely true. However this product is not meant to stimulate your bodies production of ketones, it is merely an exogenous source of ketones. Sort of like MCTs but you can reach blood levels much higher
    Appreciate the answer, though people with elevated glucose could just be post-prandial, they're not necessarily diabetic. But you are right, I did reverse ketones and glucose - I was thinking of them as a product of gluconeogenesis rather than lipolysis for whatever reason.

    So this is intended to ease the transition from using glucose to ketones as a fuel source, right? Do exogenous ketone bodies suppress endogenous production?
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Appreciate the answer, though people with elevated glucose could just be post-prandial, they're not necessarily diabetic. But you are right, I did reverse ketones and glucose - I was thinking of them as a product of gluconeogenesis rather than lipolysis for whatever reason.

    So this is intended to ease the transition from using glucose to ketones as a fuel source, right? Do exogenous ketone bodies suppress endogenous production?

    I am not really marketing it to ease the transition into a ketogenic diet anymore. That was something I originally thought of but now I think its best to target it for exercise performance, at least for the time being.

    Ketones themselves do not seem to self regulate ketone production. Insulin certainly does. Observe diabetic ketoacidosis. The ketones pile up yet ketone production keeps running amok. This is because the body is unable to produce and/or process insulin.

    So I dont think this product should interfere with endogenous ketone production, at least not by any mechanism involving ketones themselves
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  30. Everyone is wondering how well your body will use ketones for energy if you are not in ketosis and are eating a normal carb diet

    Does your body burn ketones simulataneously with glucose? During exercise when glucose availabilty becomes a limiting factor will ketones then kick in and take over?


    D'Agostino, Dominic
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    Yes and yes to both questions. I think the main benefit is that it will spare glycogen and thus endurance athletes will have greater time to exhaustion.
    We see this in mice.
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