KetoForce- Patrick Arnold does it again.....and how!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Definitely not cheap, how much would I take pre-workout?. I'd hope to get at least 45 days of use out of it for the cost. I don't see that listed on the product page. It also says to mix it with an acidic beverage, would diet soda work ok for this?. Or does it matter what type of beverage is used?. Could I just take it straight?.
    you can try diet soda but it will be masked better with something more acidic.

    it has a pH of around 10 (not 12 as is said on our site) and is very concentrated so you will not enjoy drinking it straight
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    30mL is the suggested serving but you can go higher if you wanted. the professor i am working with has gone as high as 125mL believe it or not

    There are 16 servings per bottle. If you use it 3 times a week that will be 48 days of use

    In that case I'd go with taking it Mondays, Fridays and Saturdays. Thanks for the information, at least now I know how to best utilize it for my schedule.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    In that case I'd go with taking it Mondays, Fridays and Saturdays. Thanks for the information, at least now I know how to best utilize it for my schedule.
    I take it with extra tart lemonade I make specifically for it, half the water that you'd normally use and I can barely taste it
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  4. Oh, and I've used it twice, both on leg days and I've had the two best leg days of my life. I set pr's left and right today. I stacked the KetoForce with COP and TAA and it was like hooking up a super charger. Finally broke the 500lb barrier with a triple today and my squat routine lasted 45 min and didn't rest more than 1.5 min between sets and was never winded. I finished with 2 x 405 x 10 and could have gone longer...the way my legs feel at the moment ...its a good thing I didn't ....its a good pain
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Oh, and I've used it twice, both on leg days and I've had the two best leg days of my life. I set pr's left and right today. I stacked the KetoForce with COP and TAA and it was like hooking up a super charger. Finally broke the 500lb barrier with a triple today and my squat routine lasted 45 min and didn't rest more than 1.5 min between sets and was never winded. I finished with 2 x 405 x 10 and could have gone longer...the way my legs feel at the moment ...its a good thing I didn't ....its a good pain

    I'm more interested in the endurance effects than anything else. Strength is great but I'm not really training for that. For the money I hope the product really brings on dramatic changes.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I'm more interested in the endurance effects than anything else. Strength is great but I'm not really training for that. For the money I hope the product really brings on dramatic changes.
    Yes the amazing part was the stamina perhaps you missed me saying I was neverf winded. I am usually holding my sides and breathing like I finished a marathon after a squat routine like that one
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  7. Very interested in this post show as I will still be following a keto diet for a 4 week bulking phase before going back into an 8 week prep.
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  8. I need help finding people or websites or message boards to spread the news about ketoforce to. Places that are about ketogenic diet, low carb diet, paleo diet etc.

    Thanks
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Oh, and I've used it twice, both on leg days and I've had the two best leg days of my life. I set pr's left and right today. I stacked the KetoForce with COP and TAA and it was like hooking up a super charger. Finally broke the 500lb barrier with a triple today and my squat routine lasted 45 min and didn't rest more than 1.5 min between sets and was never winded. I finished with 2 x 405 x 10 and could have gone longer...the way my legs feel at the moment ...its a good thing I didn't ....its a good pain
    And you are on a strict Keto-diet? No carb-ups?

    It is suggested that this product be consumed during the initial stages of a ketogenic diet (three times a day for first 2-3 days)
    30ml x 3 times a day?

    and then 30ml before workouts?

    to accelerate ketosis and ease metabolic transition.
    How does it accelerate ketosis?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by HITFrank View Post
    And you are on a strict Keto-diet? No carb-ups?



    30ml x 3 times a day?

    and then 30ml before workouts?



    How does it accelerate ketosis?

    I think its best used for preworkout, especially if you are on a keto diet.

    It puts you in an artificial ketosis. You are ingesting ketones rather than relying on your body to make them. Since ketones are your bodies super energy source when on a keto diet you want to have more of them during training so you will have more energy during training (you cant take carbs before training obviously)
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I think its best used for preworkout, especially if you are on a keto diet.

    It puts you in an artificial ketosis. You are ingesting ketones rather than relying on your body to make them. Since ketones are your bodies super energy source when on a keto diet you want to have more of them during training so you will have more energy during training (you cant take carbs before training obviously)

    How would this help get you in to ketogenesis wouldn't it just delay the depletion of carbs in the body by entering a new and temporary energy source?
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post

    How would this help get you in to ketogenesis wouldn't it just delay the depletion of carbs in the body by entering a new and temporary energy source?
    I was kind of thinking the same thing. I don't quite understand this product except that it just has is burning exogenous ketones for a few hours, but why/how would that accelerate ketosis after the fact?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    How would this help get you in to ketogenesis wouldn't it just delay the depletion of carbs in the body by entering a new and temporary energy source?
    The product actually will lower blood glucose 10-15 points so I am not sure it delays depletion of carbs.

    Anyway, it is primarily being marketed as a preworkout source of caloric energy that is superior to carbs and also completely suitable for dieters who must avoid carbs
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by todd muelheim View Post
    I was kind of thinking the same thing. I don't quite understand this product except that it just has is burning exogenous ketones for a few hours, but why/how would that accelerate ketosis after the fact?

    You cant understand its utility as a preworkout supplement?

    I am not claiming it accelerates your bodies own production of ketones

    Everyone step back a second
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    The product actually will lower blood glucose 10-15 points so I am not sure it delays depletion of carbs.

    Anyway, it is primarily being marketed as a preworkout source of caloric energy that is superior to carbs and also completely suitable for dieters who must avoid carbs
    Ok thanks
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    You cant understand its utility as a preworkout supplement?

    I am not claiming it accelerates your bodies own production of ketones

    Everyone step back a second
    From my recent experiences, I am keto adjusted by the way, it is a nearly immediate energy source. Superior to carbing up and it seems to reduce my oxygen requirements substantially. I go longer and stronger and that's the truth. I'd use it every workout if I coudl afford to. I am reserving it for my high intensity days and it lets me push harder and longer than I ever have.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post

    You cant understand its utility as a preworkout supplement?

    I am not claiming it accelerates your bodies own production of ketones

    Everyone step back a second
    I think most people associate ketosis with weight loss and not performance enhancement. That might be the confusion.

  18. ketones are the fuel your body generates when you are in ketosis. KetoForse is an external supply of that fuel. A ready available source over and above what your body produces
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I need help finding people or websites or message boards to spread the news about ketoforce to. Places that are about ketogenic diet, low carb diet, paleo diet etc.

    Thanks
    PA have you considered the cross fit community, they generally seem to buy into many of the paleo concepts. There is also quite a few paleo and low carb forums out there ( caveman, lowcarb.org)

  20. Quote Originally Posted by braskibra View Post
    PA have you considered the cross fit community, they generally seem to buy into many of the paleo concepts. There is also quite a few paleo and low carb forums out there ( caveman, lowcarb.org)
    This is a great idea. Crossfit trainees would definitely benefit from this.
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  21. I ordered some. I'm just waiting to see the benefits for people who are not avoiding carbs.

    Say if I took some right before I go on a long run. Will it help me run longer? Or push out extra reps...or if not consecutive reps...more sets?

    Is it helpful injunction with carbs?

  22. I have not used it carbed up, but it would be an additional source of energy in addition to the carbs in your system. I haven't heard from anyone that has used it this way yet. But it should help with both, the running longer and pushing out more reps.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by boxer12 View Post
    I ordered some. I'm just waiting to see the benefits for people who are not avoiding carbs. Say if I took some right before I go on a long run. Will it help me run longer? Or push out extra reps...or if not consecutive reps...more sets?Is it helpful injunction with carbs?
    Wondering the same wonder on a long run (20 miles or more) when would be the best time to take. Before hand or 1 to 1-1/2 in to run?
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by todd muelheim View Post
    I think most people associate ketosis with weight loss and not performance enhancement. That might be the confusion.


    It seeems that way. People need to understand that ketones are an incredible calorie source for exercise performance,

    They dont require insulin to enter the cell, they are immediately processed,. They generate a greater amount of energy with less oxygen required, and unlike most fatty acids they can enter the brain and are an excellent brain fuel
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post

    It seeems that way. People need to understand that ketones are an incredible calorie source for exercise performance,

    They dont require insulin to enter the cell, they are immediately processed,. They generate a greater amount of energy with less oxygen required, and unlike most fatty acids they can enter the brain and are an excellent brain fuel
    Will they take precedence over glucose if taken by someone not on a ketogenic diet? Sry if this has been mentioned already.
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